Ishiro32

Why did you downvote this thread? Really? You are as bad as those guys whining all the time if this is how you react to someones feedback. As for the CVs: Low tiers need damage nerf High tier IJN need damage buff. You can not touch low tier AA because of the spares and strength of the fighters, Hosho can end up out of planes really fast if she isn't careful and Zuiho is even worse in that respect. Change in activation time would impact only low tier and you can not make learning manual drop harder than it is. You would have to increase arming time depending on the tier and adjust it to the speed of planes, but really they tried something similar and it failed. And people are mainly complaining on the low tier so... pointless. I would give markings to the not active torps though so people will see that they are indeed swimming in water and are not droped on them. For fighter balance let's see what they will do in 0.4.1 as I have heard they plan something here. For IJN spread let's wait and see what will new reverse spread do when they introduce it. As for whining... ehhh... whatever... I see that tier spread is getting better and MM is starting to throw me into better and better matches. This is getting kinda worring as because of lack of any opposition for the 90% of the time, I did get kinda rusty, but oh well. I expect whining to really cool down in the next week, at least for the tier IV and V.

Actually... I am with the morti271 and Captain_Edwards on this one. CVs have the lowest skill celling and are rather boring most of the time. Only highest tier has anything to offer as planes are fast and a lot of is happening at the same time, but even then because of the very strong AAA you tend to move in maximum two air groups and let's not talk about snipe CV meta which made whole class even more stale. I understand that RTS is genre is barely alive and as result there are not really a lot of people who played them, but for an RTS CV gameplay is close to phone games in terms of complexity, also I think anyone who ever played RTS more than a month really shouldn't have any problems with mastering CVs right now. No, CVs are not hard. In fact they are too easy and simple. Edit. Just to be clear. I don't think they have to be really super complex. It is just they have too little going on. In alpha I know that aircraft had fuel, that would probably be enough to spice the gameplay.

That's sweet. I suggest you spend more time on forum before summarizing users like that, because you can make some mistakes. Like regarding me right now, or Aerroon earlier.

What is my input about CVs? Ha... haha... HAHAHA Wow, so first you said aerroon is class locked and now you say that my input regarding CVs is that they are fine... Wait a moment... I can't stop laughing.

You said he doesn't know how it is to be exp piniata and said exactly that he plays only CVs. Which is not true. Now you try to change the subject to exp gain and act smug because you were wrong, amazing. Also considering you rather pathetic input to any CV topic I would suggest that you are trolling, but If you wish so I can start writing stuff you accuse all CV players off. Then it would be two people trolling, discussion will be so much better.

Acutally you have bad luck, because Aerroon plays everything and in CBT had all ships unlocked. No offence but if you get hit by a single TB wing in a DD then you are just bad. Also higher minimum torp arming range will not change what people are experiencing. We will still put those torps near the broadside. This is the same as with DDs, when you see activated torps, it's too late to manuver.

If the reset is happening only when the new set attack point is far away from the previous then ok. I mean there has to be some space to make slight corrections, especially with tight spread. Anyway do someone know when we will see exactly that spread ingame? @down Thanks for the info and good night.

Yeah, kinda short lived topic, also aerroon you could have posted your highest score from the OBT.

@Naskoni I didn't like Company of Heroes. From relic I always prefered DoW1, but overall I agree, anyone who had even passing intrest in the RTS genre even on casual level might be bored with CV gameplay. It is too simplistic. It has it's moments sometimes though, often I spread out forces and attack two targets at the same time, just to make it a bit harder and by extension... fun. I think WG did a huge mistake not pandering to the RTS crowd enough, most WoT players will not be intrested in pseudo rts game style to begin with, so why dumb it down for them? I am not saying that we need something super complex, just not something with skillcap so low that it could be released on a phone.

Introduction of IJN CVs and US BB ended up creating the same MM as we have right now. It stabilized after I think two weeks, mostly because of flamethrower crusiers, but some people simply got bored with BBs. People just love big ships with big guns. After few tiers they start to want something more dynamic and go for crusiers or destroyers. Or decide they can't aim and are too noob for other ships so they pick Carriers. So with time everything smooths out.

For the record, I do think tier IV and V need a torp damage nerf. 1.) Unless my team is retarded then this game is another win.This is getting kinda boring, but oh well, at least I don't have to play Hiryuu in healthy MM, what a garbage ship. 2.) Yubari. Also thankfully I didn't met them often but I remember that New York with AA hull is also really annoying. 3.) If I wasn't sniped at the start, then top. 4.) Most of the time enemy CV. Other situations were usually crusiers. For example on hotspot I was forced into some manuvers to dodge enemy TBs and because my team kinda left me alone after I finished doing that I noticed that huge enemy force is going my way and are in range. 5.) Low tier it is for sure carrier. As for the high tier... I can't really tell. Probably Crusiers.

No, it's called World of Free Exp for carriers and destroyers.

Quick question. Why are you not able to join anime clan in WOT? Also go to their chatango and ask bolded question again. Results might be intresting. What a rip off I expected you to hand out lolis.

Lack of rng is a good thing and rng for dive bombers I think is a bit different than guns. You really need that rng and game correcting your spread to hit something at that distance by gut. Also shell dispersion is different on different ranges. While I can understand some frustrations of it, with guns you have enough mechanics to play around this rng, while dive bombers are pure RNG slot machines where only direction of approach counts. WG is a big company. I am sure that because of the sudden OBT most recent patches were rather hastefuly put just so the game will work. They adressed the issue of bad low tier results by buffing damage by almost 200%. Old Hosho I think had 4-5k torps and Lagley 3-4k torps.Then we had super auto and because most players at that time did not play at low tier I think this kinda went not noticed, even though we had at least 2 topics about that here in the CBT ><. I am sure they have their CV team and are working to make CVs fun for everyone. Asynchronous gameplay is indeed very hard to balance that's why we have to be patient and give our feedback constantly. Will it help? Probably not because they don't really listen to us, but maybe... maybe I am wrong.

Great attitude mate. I assume you never had any experience with this class before. This is really great data to have. I hope WG will see this. I really encourage all people who think CVs are OP to do exactly the same. Go and have the same results as Ozurson. Abuse the hell out of those low tiers CVs and create enough data so WG will adress low tier CV issue faster. Even before OBT a lot of top players agreed with me that first CVs were all over the place. And just to adress it, because I probably have to do this. CVs are not overpowered at the later tiers. They have a lot of counters and skilled team at high tier can shut bomber down pretty well on their own, without any help from fighter planes.

Well, dear Galadul as one of the "CV apologists" and person who probably complained the most about carriers on this forum let me straight up couple of things. 1.) Dive bombers do not reward skilled players and for that matter they have not a lot of space for any fun plays like you do with torpedo bombers. This is gameplay issue of this specific class and people should be able to give feedback regarding it. The same way BB players are worried about their dispersion, but in case of BBs guns the aiming still matters to some extend. Dive bombers are rather devoid of skill. They are rng fire patrol. 2.) One shotting DD depends really on the tier and luck. Also to torpedo good DD you need to engage probably even with 3 wings. Skilled players that are aware they are a target are really, really hard to pinpoint, especially on mid tiers. One shotting BBs is actually impossible by the IJN line, unless they get mag shot. Maybe they can do this to ships like Myogi if they get great spread, while they sail higher tier CV than her. But higher tiers? No chance for that. Carrier on the other hands are really easy to pick off if not defended by their team. 3.) If you honestly belive that all carrier players should shut up and deal with subpar experience because current tier spread and MM are doing them huge favors then I advice you to never come to the CV topic ever again. If we see an issue then our duty as players is to give the feedback. Just because something is by some treated as "overpowered" doesn't mean it is working correctly or is fun. There is a promise that 0.4.1 will do some fighter balance. Maybe it will fix full fighter decks, but for the moment we have to wait. Overall fighters CVs are not for the winning right now. You can not benefit your team to much, you can just deny the enemy. You can try doing balanced and some ships like Lexi are pretty beastly at that.

I decided to show you whats causing those hot topics. 1st game after loging in and this one was pretty ok comparing to all other MM I got earlier.

Actually a lot was broken in that time.

Ok, people you seemt to completely miss the point. The point is not the damage they do. The point is that there is very little difference between manual and auto as the whole plane type is heavily relying on the rng. If in perfect conditions, well executed attack can give less hits that auto then something is really wrong. We are talking mainly about manual, I can't see myself trying to manual DB drop a DD, unless he is horrible and sails in the straight line or beached himself. One of the reasons the HE bombs have such a high start fire chance is because of how unreliable otherwise those planes would be. Sharana is right that US strike setup is doing ok, but it is mainly because of the really good TBs, but that doesn't change the fact what DBs are. They are RNG plane that doesn't reward skilled players. They are rng fire patrol.

This is something that I actually mentioned back in the patch which buffed the HE and DB bombs. You can not do perfect drop in the DBs. They are pure rng, to such extended that as you mentioned OVanBruce even stationary big target (BB or CV) have chance to dodge pretty much everything. Back then I said something like this DB can not be main source of damage solely because how random they are and even most skilled player is on the mercy of rng. Even if they introduced again AP bombs, it would not change the fact that perfect drop is not possible. The difference between auto and manual is too little for any skilled player to consider this form of gameplay fun or challenging I had couple of situation where enemy DBs do a perfect drop 4/4 hits 3 fires. while mine on stationary target with manual drop scores 0 hits. There is a reason why they are used mainly as fire startes and scouts.

Yes you can not drop too close or the torps will not active in time.

Wait until most population will be at tier VI and then try Zuiho. Right now it is the best time to grind her as chances of getting good MM are very very high.

Well, yes. They are both worst carriers in that line. Hosho has good MM on her side. RJ is pretty much perfect light carrier with a lot of planes, spares, good speed, stealthy and can turn well. Shokaku planes are fast for that tier so she has good control over air. Taihou and Airport are just really strong, though taihou AA seems a bit lacking, even for IJN. Did you think I was talking about whole IJN tree? I said line... like they are the worst in IJN CV line currently presented in game. Do you have problem with my assessment?

Good luck, at least one more CV in the MM. I am honestly worried that % of the carrier players is too low to keep gameplay healthy on all tiers.

Ahhh Zuiho... You poor little girl... Zuiho in healthy MM is one of the worst ships in the IJN line. She has so little spares that she is not able to sortie full second wave in case her first is obliterated. Additionally in +-1 MM she gets to fight such ships like Cleveland and because health of planes is balanced only around the AA of the same tier, you can imagine what is happening here. And ofc the USN CVs which do exactly what you experienced. It is normal. Zuiho and Hiryu are worst ships in the IJN line. Zuiho because of spare numbers and very hostile for that tier MM (tier VI) and Hiryuu because her planes are too slow for the tier she fights on. Nothing you can do about it, when I was first grinding IJN line in CBT, after zuiho I was afraid of pressing the battle button.