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WG dont bug test anything anymore it seems.. I mean a stable client? Noo we what we do need is a useless Clan base feature to milk players for even more money... TY WG

Probably because there are more than enough Japanese carriers to make a second Japanese CV line. This line would be focused around converted CVs, basically BBs, ocean liners or other ships that were converted to CVs. Of course Shinano would make a perfect tier 9-10 in that line. Edit: This is why we see no carrier conversion in the current line... you know Akagi, Junyo etc. afaik Zuiho is the only conversion atm. ofc Kaga is a premium so doesnt count

Amagi is much more tanky. Lower citadel, better citadel slope armor, torpedo belt that actually extends above waterline and protects part of the ship from HE.. Amagi also sits lower in the water compared to Kii and Kii has only about half the torpedo protection that Amagi has... Bottom line AMagi is better at brawling than Kii despite the torps. Amagi also has better RoF, turret rotation and turret armor... all of which are important to be good at close range combat. In no place on the battlefield (except for AA support I guess haha) is Kii better than Amagi.

OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT! Just EU server getting shafted yet again... nothing to see here. In all seriousness though this is a major reason why I'm not getting the ship. I said earlier that I dont think the ship is much better than Amagi, but at least with the camo its a good money maker... OH WAIT I cant even get my hands on it now (unless I pay for the big bundle) This is it, I wont get this unless they do something about this.

^ can someone confirm if its exclusive to the bundle?

Last patch I got maybe 2-3 CTDs, but those didnt consist when I restarted. Some of my friends however had to reinstall the game multiple times during the cycle... funsies

I agree, this WAS the one of the most stable games I've played as well... at least untill a few month ago when first most of my friends had to reinstall from time to time... and now I do too. I have never modded the game and prolly never will. Yup, me and my friends really hate patches now. The fear that one of us will be completely left out from a good night of gaming due to some unexplained bug really isnt good. I just want WG to stop for a while and focus on bug fixing instead of adding clan milking to the game.

Okay I looked around.. and all I got from the support page was "try reinstalling the game" yeah sure nice let me just spend 1-2 hours reinstalling the game. "if issue should persist then consider submitting a ticket" ugh, I get the feeling they dont even want the bugs to get reported.. I mean would any common player look around the forum untill they find a bug reporting thread where they want you to "zip your crashes folder and upload to a file sharing platform, to then link it and carefully explain it in detail according to a template"... I went too look for answers, and got only fuel for my salt. at least venting on the forum helps while I reinstall the game edit: oh wait nvm I need to do a shitty trick to reinstall the game without redownloading it.. I mean at least WG could implement a reinstall function before rolling out tons of dangerous patches.. I would at least appreciate that How can WG even propose that players redownload AND reinstall the game before submitting tickets? Man this really is a game breaker for me. I think I'll stay away from the game for a while... this really isnt worth it tbh *Edited

... No no no... you dont get it. I dont say that every update should be bug free... its just I have noticed that me and my friends can barely play because game fatal crashes happen despite reinstalls, contacting support or other people who know their way around it. I mean for the last year updates have very rarely been a source of issues for anyone I know... but lately that is not the case at all. Yes updates introduces bugs, but updates are bugfixes as well, not bug introducers lmao. I ignored this because I had the same mindset as you, but this game is literally not enjoyable when you plan for days ahead to be able to play with friends only to find one or two of you cant even enter port... and that has been happening time and time again the past few patches. Huh, I guess. Last patch one of my friends literally had to reinstall the game, only to have the same CTD bug reappear 10 or so games later. This patch I get a similar bug instead and he's fine. So yeah I guess they are fixing some stuff here and ther, but my standard tells me that a game breaking bug shouldn't appear for multiple people I know every forsaken patch that rolls out.

I get a CTD before I get to port now. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9CfEg4guTX_dF9xaUE3X1hxTGs Message: "Could not find class Vehicle" I would darely appreciate it if I didnt have to reinstall the game or something along those lines. Edit: oops forgot template 1. Description Game CTD before reaching port 2. Reproduction steps Try to run the game 3. Result Literally cant play the game 4. Expected result Game starts fine and we can all enjoy the game

Thats why they fit so well as tech tree ships! They all have much room for "what if" refits for AA. Well they also just compare well with the existing ships so thats good.

Despite what people say, Kii is just a worse Amagi. Despite the "buff" to range, reload and turret rotation, its still much much worse. Kii sits higher in the water, its citadel is higher in the water, its sloped citadel armor is thinner (short range armor worse basically), the turret rotation, accuracy (.1 less sigma value), reload AND range is still worse. In addition the torpedo protection is worse and the torpedo buldge that protects Amagi from many HE pens is gone on the Kii. Personally I see in no way that slightly better AA and measly 6km torps make up for all the mentioned cons compared to Amagi. Get Amagi guys, not saying Kii looks "bad", but Amagi is just better.

If Musashi is tier 9 then I will give it a thought but as I already have Yamato I have no reason to care if its tier 10

GUYS! Massachusetts doesnt have planes on its catapults! I warn you all, expect to see radar or some other shitty consumable as a gimmick on this ship. Prepare to further lose faith in the game people.

There are many ways to balance that ship I feel. I mean Graf Spee has heal at, but that doesnt mean the Frenchie needs it to stay strong. With 6 knots extra speed and over 10k extra HP it really doesnt need it. What we need to consider is that it may get Speed Boost... Anyways I would love to get my hands on this ship one day. About the torps, I dont think I read about the torps either. Just logically it would be weird for it not to have it. Considering its size, speed and role having torps is historically a must. Then again WG might want to leave the torps out as a sort of balancing measure. Also ships with similar roles mounted torps, like Graf Spee and even Scharnhorst Class 1926 17 500t Graf Spee 1927 37 000t A2 Scharnhorst 1928 37 000t B1 Gneisenau Gascogne Nagato 1930 23 690t 23 333t Kongo Hull Standard 17500(long tons) 14890 32600 35000 23690 (long tons) 23333 (long tons) Full 23300 16280 42100 38700 43400 46000 31670 31200 HP 38359 60566 56549 62101 65172 48246 47690 HP (as cruiser) 53270 Rounded HP 53200 39400 60400 56300 62000 58200 65000 65000 48100 47500 54100 Length 205m 186m 254m 234.9 m 235m 235m 248m 225m 196m 213m Beam 24.5m 21.6m 30.5m 30 m 31m 30m 33m 34.6m 28m 27.5m Draft 7.3m 9.9 m 10m 9.7m 9.5m 8 shp kW Speed 35kt 28.5kt 33 kt 30kt 27 kt 32 kt 30kt 25kt 29kt 30 kt 30kt Consumable Heal, Catapult, Hydro/AA Armament Main Guns 305mm, 2A0 283mm, 1A1 305mm 280 mm/54.5 (11") SK C/34 406mm, 2A1 380mm, 2A1 380mm, 1A1 410mm, 2A2 305mm, 2A1 305mm, 2A0 356mm, 2A2 Number 2x4 (8) 2x3 3x4 (12) 3x3, AB/X 3x2 3x2 2x4 4x2 2x3+1x4 (10) 2x4 4x2 RoF 24 sec reload/2.5rpm 20 sec reload/3rpm 24 sec reload/2.5rpm 3 RPM, 20 sec reload 3 RPM, 30 sec reload 2.31 rpm, 26 sec reload >2.2rpm/27 sec reload 1,875 rpm, 32 sec reload 24 sec reload/2.5rpm 24 sec reload/2.5rpm 30 sec, 2rpm Velocity 885 910 885 890 820 785 806 885 885 775 AP Weight 432 300 432 330 800 890 1020 432 432 673.5 AP Alpha 8741 7439 8741 7704 0 0 11318 11665 12610 8741 8741 10145 Rounded Alpha 8400 7600 11600 11600 12600 10200 Train 7.2 deg sec, 25 sec turn 7.2 degrees per second 5 deg sec, 36 second turn 3.8 deg sec, 47 sec turn 3.3 deg sec, 54,5 sec turn Pen Notes Speculated stats for gun Speculated stats for gun Speculated stats for gun Speculated stats for gun Torpedoes 2x3 2x4 2x3 2x3 2x3 2x3 Secondary 8x1 150mm 3x4 130mm, 36,6 dps@5.2km 4x2+4x1 150mm 4x4 130mm, 48.8 dps@5.2km 3x3 152mm, 24.9dps@5km 18 140mm, 4x2 138mm, ~7,5 sec reload, 5-9 rpm 14 152mm DP 8 90mm, 21.6dps@4km 3x2 105mm, 49.8dps@4.5km 8 90mm, 21.6dps@4km 7x2 105mm/65, 128dps @4.5 km 8 90mm, 21.6dps@4km 11x2 128mm, 136,4dps@5.2km 8x2 100mm, 54.4dps@5km 4x2 127mm, 40,4dps@5km 8x2 100mm, 61.2dps@5km 3x4 130mm, 36,6 dps@5.2km 4x2 127mm, 40.4dps@5km AA 1 10 37mm, 16dps@3km 4x2 37mm, 10.4dps@3.5km 12 37mm, 19.2dps@3km 8x2 37mm, 23dps @3.5 km 12 37mm, 19.2dps@3km 6x2 37mm, 61.8dps@3.5km 6x2 37mm, 72,6dps@3.5km 12x2 25mm, 60dps@3.1km 4x2 37mm, 9.2dps@3km 4x2 37mm, 9,2dps@3km 6x2 25mm, 30dps@3.1km AA 2 10x1 20mm, 30dps@2km 5x4 20mm, 33dps @2.0 km 12x2 20mm, 50,4dps@2km 2x4 37mm, 34dps@3.5km 14x3 25mm, 85,4dps@3.1km 2x4+2x2 13.2mm, 17dps@1.2km 6x4 13.2mm, 30dps@1.2km 4x2+2x4 13mm, 23.8dps@1.2km AA 3 10x1 20mm, 33dps @2.0 km 7x4 20mm, 42dps@2km 7x4 13.2mm, 35dps@1.2km 24 25mm, 43,2dps@3,1km AA rating 134 320 337 793 400 1110 812 787 354 254 324 Armor Belt 150-180mm 80mm 220-280mm 350mm Thicker than A2 350mm 330mm 305mm 180-200mm 230mm 203mm Deck 75mm 17-45mm 90mm 50mm 90mm 50mm 150mm+49mm Layered: 69+100+38mm 80-100mm 100-130mm Notes Turtleback+thick upper plating σ 1.9 sigma 1.8 2 1.8

The gun caliber is the same. Izumo has significantly better shell velocity and much better penetration as a result. Problem is that the shells are still relatively light so they dont have as good penetration at range compared to for example Iowa

After someone found those ships in the wiki I actually loaned that book from a libary. All my previous posts where written with mostly that book as a source. 1926 Cruiser is everything Graf Spee wanted to be, but even more. More Guns, bigger guns, better speed, more HP, more armor. Tl;dr its a tier 7 cruiser without a doubt. 1927 Battlecruiser, this ship's strength would prolly be gunpower and sheer top speed. Compared to Scharnhorst it trades armor and secondaries for gunpower and even more speed. Tier 7 Battleship no doubts here 1928 Battleship, Again very comparable to Gneisenau as you say. We dont know the Belt thickness of this one, but logically it would probably be 300+ so it could bounce 12" and maybe 14" shells. 1930 Battlecruiser, I found this one to be the toughest nut. Treated as a cruiser it would almost reach tier 8, but treated as a BB I cant see this make the cut to tier 6. Personally I think the only logical placement would be tier 5 as a BB as it is very similar to the later 1931 battlecruiser, although with a reorganized main and secondary battery. 1931 Battlecruiser, An obvious tier 5 imo, its literally a downscaled Dunkerque. Same layout and speed, except smaller guns, less AA/secondaries and ofcourse less HP. For tiers its basically: Tier V : Normandie, 1931/23 333t Battlecruiser, 1930/23 690t Battlecruiser Tier VI : Strasbourg, Lyon, Dunkerque Tier VII: 1928, Gascogne, 1927 I consider the 23 690t design to be the most unique, so I place my money on it as a premium. Normandie is similar to Bratagne and the 23 333 ton design is similar to Dunkerque at tier 6. I really dont want Lyon to be in the game, so I hope Strasbourg becomes the silver tier 6 despite it being superior to Dunkerque in every way. Tier 7 is difficult, both Gascogne and 1928 fit the bill. Personally I would pick 1928 though, but WG would prolly pick Gascogne since it doesnt ruin the "caliber progression". 1927 is an obvious premium. I made a sheet with estimated stats these ships would have. All have been carefully considered and calculated with what stats we have from in game. Some stats are speculated (like the characteristics of the 12" guns and the full displacement on the ships), but I have kept in game balancing measures to a minimun on this one. I wrote the AA values for the 130mm guns if WG includes the DP mod for the mounts. If not just pretend its not there. I didnt include the potential tier 8+ french BBs as it takes too much space, but this is good enough to compare. I kinda want to pick out each individual ship and compare them to the competition they would meet. I already have most ships plotted into such sheets so wouldnt take long at all. Give a word if any of ya interested. Class 1926 17 500t 1930 23 690t 1927 37 000t A2 1928 37 000t B1 23 333t Dunkerque Strasbourg Gascogne Hull 7 Standard 17500(long tons) 23690 (long tons) 37000 (Metric tons, estimated trial displacement) 37000 (Metric tons, estimated trial displacement) 23333 (long tons) 26925 27280 35000 Full 23300 31670 42100 43400 31200 35500 36380 46000 HP 38359 48246 60566 62101 47690 52770 53809 65172 HP (as cruiser) 53270 68864 Rounded HP 53200 48100 60400 62000 47500 52600 53700 65000 Length 205m 196m 254m 235m 213m 215m 215m 248m Beam 24.5m 28m 30.5m 31m 27.5m 31m 31m 33m Draft 8 8.7m 8.7m 9.7m shp kW Speed 35kt 29kt 33 kt 27 kt 30 kt 31kt 30,5kt 30kt Consumable Armament Main Guns 305mm, 2A0 305mm, 2A1 305mm, 2A1 406mm, 2A1 305mm, 2A0 330mm, 2A0 330mm, 2A0 380mm, 1A1 Number 2x4 (8) 2x3+1x4 (10) 3x4 (12) 3x2 2x4 4x2 4x2 RoF 24 sec reload/2.5rpm 24 sec reload/2.5rpm 24 sec reload/2.5rpm 24 sec reload/2.5rpm Velocity 885 885 885 885 870 870 785 AP Weight 432 432 432 432 560 560 890 AP Alpha 8741 8741 8741 0 8741 9816 9816 11665 Rounded Alpha 9 700 11 600 Train Pen Notes Speculated stats for gun Speculated stats for gun Speculated stats for gun Speculated stats for gun AA layout is the speculated USA refit Gun stats using the original shell and reduced charge after april 1942 Torpedoes 2x3 2x3 2x3 Secondary 4x2 138mm, ~7,5 sec reload, 5-9 rpm 3x4 130mm, 36,6 dps@5.2km 4x4 130mm, 48.8 dps@5.2km 3x3 152mm, 24.9dps@5km DP 8 90mm, 21.6dps@4km 8x2 100mm, 61.2dps@5km 8 90mm, 21.6dps@4km 8 90mm, 21.6dps@4km 3x4 130mm, 36,6 dps@5.2km 2x2+3x4 130mm, 53.8dps@5.2km 2x2+3x4 130mm, 53.8dps@5.2km 8x2 100mm, 54.4dps@5km AA 1 10 37mm, 16dps@3km 4x2 37mm, 9.2dps@3km 12 37mm, 19.2dps@3km 12 37mm, 19.2dps@3km 4x2 37mm, 9,2dps@3km 5x2 37mm, 11.5dps@3km 10x4 40mm, 159dps@3.5km 6x2 37mm, 72,6dps@3.5km AA 2 2x4+2x2 13.2mm, 17dps@1.2km 6x4 13.2mm, 30dps@1.2km 8x4 13.2mm, 40dps@1.2km 36 20mm, 129,6dps@2km 2x4 37mm, 34dps@3.5km AA 3 7x4 13.2mm, 35dps@1.2km AA rating 134 354 337 400 254 362 1081 812 Armor Belt 150-180mm 180-200mm 220-280mm Thicker than A2 230mm 225mm 283mm 330mm Deck 75mm 80-100mm 90mm 90mm 100-130mm 115-125mm 127-137mm 150mm+49mm Notes Turrets: 150-330mm Turrets: 160-360mm σ 1.7

So currently Hipper/Prinz has 13 sec reload (~4.6 RPM), while Algerie has 12 second reload (5 RPM) despite both ships historically having the same RoF figures. Hipper and Eugen are both overdue for a buff again and this small change is a step in the right direction, especially considering multiple tier 8s have had their RoF buffed lately. New Orleans got a 12 sec reload and Charles Martell even got a 10 sec reload. Hipper and Eugen are already kinda undergunned for their tier, I see no reason why they should have kinda slow RoF figures as well despite the SK C/34 having historically relatively high RoF figures. Both from a historical AND gameplay POV the rate of fire needs a buff fast imo

While Gneisenau isnt the strongest tier 7 BB out there, it is certainly strong enough to handle the competition. While I played it the secondaries had less range and slower reload. I feel it would be even better now than my old impressions.

Sooo basically if I understand these ships Hipper = Silver tier 8 Eugen = Gold tier 8 Blucher = Gold tier 7 Seydlitz = Gold tier 7-8 4x3 150mm cruiser? (Leaving the Carrier reconstruction out of this) Lutzow = Gold Russian tier 8 with 150/203mm? So basically the question here is: can Blucher make a balanced tier 7 with soft nerfs? Will Seydlitz with the originally planned 4x3 150mm work best in tier 7 or 8? Is it okay to give Lutzow to the russians? and if so should it have the 150s or 203s or even have the option to choose between them? Personally there is much hidden potential in the Hipper class, but WG wasted a good opertunity by making a Hipper clone. Here's hoping the rest of them will have more personality.

Myoko may be strong, but its not OP. Problem is most tier 7 cruisers are so damn weak except for Belfast and Fiji which are blatantly OP. Schorhs, Algerie and Indianapolis are fine as is, Myoko imo is just barely a bit more reliable compared to the others.

Post your worst. This game was againts a Ranger... it has 70 something planes ffs

Clear sky with Saipan is one of the easiest, those strafes man...

Maybe, but personally I find Akizuki to be good enough.. sure its not as good of an allrounder like Benson, but I have no problem making it work despite almost never playing DD myself. And the server wide stats clearly showes its not anything to throw away. Personally I find it just a tad bit weak, but with the upcoming IFHE change I dont think it'll be a ship worth buffing.

Once you get used to the shell arcs it will be one of your favourite ships.. I dont have NC, but Alabama is maybe my all time fav BB.