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IFHE or manual secondaries are never competitive IMO, not even on German BBs like GK. A concealment/fire survivability build is just sooo much more consistent and usefull ingame currently. THen again I go with an IFHE secondary build on my GK because its fun. So I just hope WG makes it so that you actually CAN use IFHE or Manual secondaries and get some actual performance out of it. I dont need it to be competitive, but I want to play around with it at least. HE will still be leagues stronger. AP is so damn situational on secondaries its never going to be worth it. The AP will shatter on BB broadsides, bounce on DDs and overpen superstructures. Sure if AP secondaries had some artificial accuracy buff or a different way of aiming I might change my mind, but no such luck. AP secondaries also lose all their punch at range compared to HE, idk if youve tried using Duca AP at range but damn it has some terrible velocity retention and zero shell weight which means zero pen at range.

I'm done I'm just so done Ranger is leagues stronger now, but sure its still a little too weak. Now dont make the AS argument again, all you do with AS is make yourself useless...

Stats hint to Hood being better than Ashitaka at everyhting.

Okay you are objectively wrong again. CVs can spot the overwhelming majority of Cruisers outside of their AA bubble (even with AA range buffs) making DFAA absolutely useless. Even then many Cruisers use Hydro as well, leaving them with base AA values that BBs beat to the ground. On the other hand forcing a DD to pop smoke is not a countermeasure, its a last resort. When you use smoke you set yourself up to losing a lot of potential information and sets you up to be ambushed by DDs or cruiser sneaking up to your smoke. In addition staying in smoke for an extended period of time is a good way to get yourself torped. leaving a BB deprived of concealment is a much smaller hit for varius reasons. Generally better range, generally more HP, generally better armor, can actually heal damage taken, can very often pen angled targets meaning they dont rely on sneaking up on broadsides as much, generally BBs dont rely on speed as much as other classes and as we all know speed and concealment is a very good combination. Its just wrong to say that BBs need concealment more than other classes.

DDs and Cruisers suffer a lot more from plane spotting than Roma or GC does, you cant really say its a weakness either of those has.

Sure stealthy is fine, but when it outspots most cruisers something is fundamentally wrong. Thats why I was fine with NC for example... but Monarch/Rome really doesnt leave a nice aftertaste

yeh but tbh I dont want BBs to have this concealment anyways Id rather have buffed secondaries on all BBs and have the concealment nerfed. Not because it would make BBs stronger, BUT BECAUSE IT DOESNT CONFUSE THE WHOLE GAMES SHIP TYPE SYSTEM

WG just doesnt want players to have the option to choose different builds its obvious they want every BB to grab CE/fire survivability build

Buff ashitaka pless not related to commemorative flags but pls I want the ship but it seems neither fun nor viable

with IFHE the 90mms has 19.5mm of pen.. so idk if it actually helps pen the 19mm threshold. Cause if the value round down it will not pen, but if it rounds up to 20mm then it will at least pen DD hulls and BB superstructures. On the other hand though, a fatal flaw on Romas secondary loadout is that the 152mm guns shoot AP at a very slow 12 second reload. So they at least need to shoot HE if a secondary build would ever be worth it. Although if the 152 shoot HE then IFHE would buff the pen from not being able to pen 25mm plating to be able to even pen 32mm.

Ive been waiting for this ship for over a year, but I'll have to skip it. Right now it doesnt bring anything to the table and has 6k HP less than what is historically correct from what Displacement Ashitaka would have. I'll be back once they buff it or at least give it something that makes it worthwhile. Edit: For historical value I hope they give Ashitaka back her historical 95mm citadel deck armor AND the 7k HP she should have. If those are given back to her I'll pick her up straight away. Right now it both underperforms ingame AND is not historically correct.

tbh all BBs and Cruisers should be able to have usable secondaries as long as they are specced towards it. It shouldnt be the way it is now where only the BBs that is magically given 7+km secondary range should be viable with a build. I really dislike that about WG and WoWs, there is only one viable BB build right now and thats CE/fire survivability. That sucks for gameplay variety.

Gascogne AA: 3x3 152mm, 24.9dps@5km 8x2 100mm, 54.4dps@5km 6x2 37mm, 72,6dps@3.5km 8x2 37mm, 18.4dps@3km 9x2 25mm, 50.4dps@3.1km This is a lot worse than Richelieu. So I'm just wondering what exactly is Gascogne's strength over Richelieu? I dont think secondaries alone will be close to enough to compensate for the much worse turret placement. Id much rather place Gascogne at tier 7 and nerf it somewhat than force it into tier 8 and push stupid gimmicks on it like a 20% speed boost or something long those lines.

Its a typo, that 57mm is supposed to be a 37mm. The listed DPS and range is the exact same as the 37mm on Algerie for example. Alsace's AA looks more like this 3x3 152mm, 24.9dps@5km 12x2 100mm, 178 dps @5 km 12x2 37mm, 145.2dps@3.5km 10x2 20mm, 61dps@2km So it beats Iowa in long range, but is severely beaten in Medium-short range.

Well it has a couple more 57mm mounts than I could count so it makes up for the still rather lackluster 152mm. I did the numbers and France is pretty much tied with CQ and Montana when it comes to DPS*Range, but having all the damage on 4.5km range or higher really makes it a lot better than even Montana. Montana and France benefit pretty much equally from MFCAA perk. Guys I think we have a new king of TX BB AA

Yeah but thats just richelieu. The 152mms on France looks to be much more modern mounts. So maybe they have a more usable DPS or the 6km range that Neptune/Mino has.

The 152mm guns will 99% likely be AA. The 152mm on Richelieu, Gascogne and Alsace are all AA and has been confirmed. Its the same mount that DeGrasse has... which is DP. France's 152mm will likely be even better than Richelieu's as it has only more modern guns all over, with the post war 57mm and 127mm guns there's just now way that the 152mm will be even older then the one on Richelieu.

Gunarcs are bound to be terrible. I'm talking GK levels of terrible if not worse. You can see it on the picture that it wont be anything good. Effect of speed bost atm is 20%, unlike the 8% on Alsace, Gascogne and Richelieu. We dont know secondary range, but AA is 125.6dps@5.2km on those 127mm DP guns and 204-280.5dps @4.5 km dps on those 57mm. I can see 4 twin 127mm mounts on the picture, so double that for the other side and you get 8 mounts and I can clearly see that it has at least 8 of those 57mm guns, but I can kinda make out up to 3 more for a total of 11. We have no clue what the AA value for that new looking 152mm turret is, but it could be everything from 25-65 dps depending on the RoF and Traverse of the mount. We know from Richelieu that the 152mm secondaries shoot HE and for the 127mm DPs they have a reasonable damage and firechance.

I dont feel like this ship deserves to have me write this post twice.

Comments on France: Quad 17" turrets? Thats a big f*ck you to both naval architecture and history (ofc gameplay as well, more on that later). It was already pretty clear that France was already starting to move away from quad turrets with both n1 and n2 design studies for Alsace using triple turrets. As for the barbette for a quad 431mm turret would be huge and would result in a ship with terrible length to beam ratio resulting in a ship with terrible top speeds, which does not fit the bill for the agile flavor that the french has... As for gameplay this just seems like bad design. The turrets will likely have terrible firing angles which does not fit a ship with sub par health and armor. I have no clue why WG didnt go with a 2A1 design for TX. It would make a 3x3 431mm layout much more realistic AND comfortable to players. Not to mention that we already have 3 TX BBs with the guns spread 50/50 between aft and fore mounted turrets. A 2A1 design for France would also mean that you could easily give the TX the choice between 3x3 431mm and 3x4 406mm guns. This would benefit the players that want to keep rocking quad turrets yet would only result in the loss of 25% of your total gun count as opposed to 33% for CQ when mounting the larger caliber guns. There was so much potential for interesting and realistic designs for the TX, yet WG managed to use maybe the worst layout possible. Really dissapointed. It still feels like WG doesnt play their own game or better yet they dont really read into naval design, architecture or history. As of now it seems France is terrible from a historical, gameplay and game variety standpoint. It falls short on all grounds

I think so too maybe. The 23.2 second rudder shift really doesnt fit the high mobility flavor that the French are going for. For a B hull we would be looking at around 16-18 sec rudder shift which is fits the bill for the french.

This has the guns that N3 was supposed to have, but the hull itself is actually the N2 variant. If the hull was based on N3 then the HP would be around 80k HP, the around the same Iowa has.

Mutsu > Kii if were talking tier by tier. But yes I agree Ashitaka seems to be the worst of them all so far.

Tier 6 is almost already a stretch according to some. I would'nt want put it at tier 7 as it would mean that it needs gimmicks and/or tons of soft stat buffs. At tier 6 she could just be a solid all rounder. At tier 6 she would have: Okay-strongish Health and armor Solid AA Underwhelming guns Good agility Bad concealment Goodish secondaries (its tier 6 so minimal impact though) See, this seems very balanced, but even at tier 6 it would need main gun buffs (RoF and Sigma) to be close to competitive enough to warrant the tier. So pushing it even another tier just seems too illogical. Anyways from a historic standpoint Kongo-class was never supposed to be Colorado, Nagao, KGV, Nelson or Hoods counterparts anyways.

Mutsu is okay, but more importantly is a very fun BB. Its far from competitive or anything tho