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Skipping out on using camo is completely different from for example using a secondary build Amagi or TRP on Kagero. Again youre putting words in my mouth. Too me you seem to just think completely different from what I and many others do. Playing at a clear disadvantage can be worth it in many ways and it seems this is just something youll never understand. Whoa whoa calm down crusader. You make it sound like this is a court case lmao I for one cant take you serious... Mostly because your post was insanely righteous to the point of being cringeworthy, but also because youre one of the players that actually take Ranked seriously...

Well you can still climb the ladder a little slower but having much more fun....

You were implying my logic was to lose for fun. I have no idea how your logic made that happen as I have not hinted at that anywhere. idk how me saying that trying to win in a way that is more fun means throwing games and losing for fun... You have a very narrow view on gameplay if thats the case

I never said you should lose on purpose, derp or throw games because its fun or whatever, dont put words in my mouth! What I'm saying is that if a guys wants to play and uncometitive ship, use uncompetitive consumables or use an unconventional cpt build then you should not shame them for it or say that they should be playing a different gamemode.

For me switching SE for DE is an easy choice. The damage gain I get from DE every game far outweighs the situational game where I survive because of SE. Akizukis high health pool makes it so SE impact is lower compared to for example Kagero or Benson. With Akizukis 12.5km base range its more than enough to play safe if my health go low. But as we both agree on SE is better if your playstyle is singled out for DD hunting.

... You know ranked is the only way to play 7v7... I like 7v7 more than 12v12 or whatever. So if I'm not playing in div then Id rather play Ranked as its just more fun and consistent to play 7v7 instead of the shitshow that is overcrowded random games. Blame WG for not implementing a 7v7 random matches outside of ranked. Dont blame us that play for fun. Also if you think Ranked is competitive then I just laugh. Its a grindshow, with a bigger impact for better players due to smaller teams... thats it. Edit: also a lot of people view ranked as painfull to play, so why not make it as fun as possible at least. Edit2: Also you get tons of rewards for ranked so anyone would love to get the rewards not for the competitive gameplay

While I agree that we wont see a whole line of them, but I disagree on the MM balance thing. CBs will not have the utilities that normal cruisers have (consumables, agility, stealth, high rof) and on the other hand will never have the armor layout or overmatching capabilities of BBs. So in other words they wont take any quirkiness form BBs or CAs. What they will have is BB levels of health pools and BB levels of range, higher rof than normal BBs while keeping penetration close to what BBs. They are a balanced mix of strength and weaknesses from both BBs and CAs. Im sure with some fine tuning they are not difficult to fit into the current meta or MM spreads at all.

Things were much easier when we all thought these would all be treated like BBs (see Scharnhorst as you say), but then WG hits us with the curveball... so idk. I myself will draw the line with what era they're from... or easier how strong their AA would historically have been. In other words P1047 has pretty shitty AA so its compared to Scharnhorst and treated like a BB. P1047 being in many ways weaker to Scharnhorst -> P1047 = tier 6 B65 and Alaska both very good AA and was afaik designed during or right before the war eg. compared to Stalingrad and treated like cruisers. Both B65 and Alaska are both in many ways just weaker than Stalingrad -> B65/Alaska = Tier 9/tier 8 This is a very crude way to do it, but with the limited info we have and as you say we just need to draw a line then this is the way I'd do it. It'd be weird to put Alaska's many 40mm bofors or B65s 100mm/65s on tier 6 or 7 tbh. Edit: ofc "what if" modernizations might happen, but I want to believe that WG wont deviate too far from their historical layouts. (WHY DID THEY MESS UP KII SO MUCH!!!)

Heavy three? Yes sure but dont forget Netherlands Project 1047, Kronstadt and the many French Battlecruiser and graf spee clones.

Danm You I just sat down in my comfy chair to write one as well Edit: btw dont worry I'm going to do a detailed look into Super A/B65/Ishikari and Alaskas Historical stats and how they can translate to ingame at different tiers. Its gonna take some time haha

I dont thing 3x2 360mm guns will be even close to usable on tier 9-10. The 12.2"/310mm guns would infact be much better in game as they have much higher RoF and could actually fit 3 guns per turret as compared to only 2 guns per turret with the 14"/360mm guns.

This here is a terrible version of the b65 where it was proposed to mount the old 14" guns found on Kongou class for example. The original B65 was supposed to mount a battery of 3x3 310mm guns with a RoF of 3rpm. So basically imagine a Scharnhorst, but with much better guns, AA, top speed, better torps, but with worse armor. edit: Oh yeah those arent 127mms btw, they are 100mm/65. The one making this drawing just used an existing drawing of the 127mm mount on Yammy

If b65 is implemented into the game with the old 14" guns I'll quit the game on the spot. On the other hand if it actually keeps the 12.1" guns then Ill buy it, free xp it, grind it or whatever I have to do to get it and I'll play it till the day I die. This here is one of my alltime favourite ships. The real question is whether it gets treated like a cruiser or a BB. If BB then well see it on tier 7-8, if Cruiser then 9-10.... so free xp premium tier 9 cruiser maybe? Edit: I really want to make another thread on this discussing what I just mentioned and going in depth on it. Since we know Stalingrad will be implemented as a tier 10 cruiser then suddenly Alaska and B65 might also be treated like cruisers and end up in high tiers... Only time will tell but I really wanna do the numbers on that stuff.

Sure its not good at DD fighting, but tbh AKizuki doesnt need anything more for DD hunting than IFHE tbh, BFT helps but its far from a must. On the other hand DE makes Akizuki a real threat to any BBs and becomes an exponentially higher threat against all the tier 10 BBs she meets in the current MM. Aki Skipping DE on Aki is such a waste of potential when pressuring cruisers and BBs. Also Its not like Aki can actively hunt DDs due to her slow speed, agility and the fact that she's not the stealthiest of the bunch either... You often rely on enemy DDs to make mistakes and I feel its wrong to spec my ship into relying on enemies being bad more than necessary. On the other hand setting up a defensive position against enemy BBs or cruisers is something you can actively do along the later stages of the battle after most DDs are dead. What you say is true though, if you really tunnel vision on DD hunting then Survivability expert is really good (+13%HP), vigilance or even RPF can work better for you. What I'm trying so say is that you shouldn't underestimate just how much of a threat Akizuki can pose to BBs and even Cruisers.

NO is much better than Hipper/Prinz. Better reload, more guns, better AP angles, better HE, Radar, MUCH BETTER TURNING CIRCLE, concealment. So Hipper is by far the worst silver premium and thats a fact, because in every sense NO is a pretty competitive ship.

THey wont be implemented for sure. Little known fact is that most ww1 and interwar battleships and battlecruisers had fixed/submerged torpedo launchers. Rodney (Nelson class) famously torpedoed Bismarck, but Nelson has no ingame torpedo launchers. So we can rule torps on Renown out

That was my experience when I grinded through it a short time ago. Shave 1-2 seconds of her reload and its good, nothing more needs to be done.

ehhh wrong section?!

Akizuki is an insanely good ship, it plays in many ways like a cruiser. Just get used to how it plays, get IFHE, DE and BFT and see all enemies burn before you. You can outgun some Cruisers with Akizuki and in the right position you can shred BBs with Superstructure hits with HE and fire damage. Watch as you turn away a whole enemy push just by flinging 176 shells per minute their way (more if you have AR active). With DE and fire flags you still have 7% fire chance despite running IFHE, you literally vomit fire at this point. With all those guns you also outgun all DDs in the game... YES I MEAN ALL. You can actually 1v1 Gearings and Grozovois without breaking a sweat. Akizuki gets a free torp reload booster so its not like you dont have good torps. Akizuki is a damage farming monster, HE spam, Fire starting and torpedo spamming makes sure you can farm damage on anything coming your way. Learn to play it, experiment with AP (although just safing with HE is enough since it starts a bizillion fires per minute), zone out enemy teams, win, come back to forum with the news of how you conquered the Americas with a single DD

I wish they could give Ibuki the Zao guns/shells as an upgrade Just that would be enough to make the ship worth playing and less of a pain to grind.

I specifically wrote "cruisers like DM" that includes Henri, Hburg, other Zaos and basically every sub tier 8 and tier 9 cruiser. My intention wasnt that the AP/HE was good compared to other cruisers, I implied that Zao has tons of strengths without trading gunpower for it. And no shes not outshined in every aspect. At medium long ranges against most other tier 10 cruisers she can consistently out dpm the competition with a combination of lazer shell velocity and good agility. A Hburg, DM, or Henri will just be much easier targets to hit with guns that have a harder time hitting the Zao. ALso on those medium-long ranges the Zao can simply drop out of detection if she finds herself outgunned or if the enemy will die from fires. Cant say the same for the Hburg, Henri or Moskva at least especially if said ships are on fire. If you think all Zao can do against cruisers is an ambush Ive got bad news. This statement proves just how much you underestimate stealth... just like most other cruiser and BB players. Making use of Stealth on a ship like Zao means: You can chose your engagements much easier Able to collect info before enemies Have a lifeline in case of many emergancies Reposition whenever needed Ambush much easier Bait enemies Capture objectives much easier at later stages of matches If youre only using stealth once or twice then either youre not playing Zao right or youre just not noticing how much it helps the ship. ps. Henri rocks, she was a damn beast in CW

This is the one thing I want them to change about Zao... bring back her original name... Senjo.. brings back memories :/

Very often pure dpm doesn not translate to better damage dealt than high alpha. When shooting from stealth alpha is preffered over dpm for example, oh and it just so happens that Zao has amazing stealth. Idk what youre on about, cuz its not her alpha that has to justify anything, rather its concealment and agility backed with a good armor layout, small citadel and both workable AP and HE that makes the ship good. Just tol bad most Zao players I see in randoms never use that amazing stealth.

Why would you bother to post on the forums about one player preferring torp reload instead of smoke? If the kagero likes reload and wants to run it no one can or have the right to stop him. Fun>competitiveness Thats why I play Kii in ranked, not because its competitive (because its not lmao), but because its fun.

I would rather say that Zaos ability to deal 10k HE volleys on unsaturated angled cruisers like DM is stronger than its situational AP shells.