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Have you played Gneisenau? 6 guns is way too frustrating at times. Still the 305mm version is more unique as the 380mm are just german guns that we have on 3 ships already. But I get what youre saying, though I expect the 380mm version to be added at one point or another though most likely some time down the line.

Night battles seem like what cyclones should have been... But tbh wasting night battles on another half assed yet slightly better cyclone instead of including star shells and search lights is such a waste. Like lets say you shoot star shells in the direction of a ship (that you have spotted ofc) then that ship would light up for ships outside the 12 km range or something allowing for your team to finish the target as long as you keep him lit up. But you know a mechanic that lets DDs still play out a scouting role and lets cruisers stay outside range of certain death during weather events would be too balanced, too intuitive and would incentivize waaay to much team work... 3 things the game certainly doesnt nedd more of

Tl;dr you dont want a cruiser that has a lot of HP on principle despite all gameplay relevant arguments indicating that the effective HP is still far lower than that of any Battleship or even many cruisers? Okay sure, I cant argue against that. When you want to discuss the actual gameplay implications og such a high health pool on a cruiser come find me.

Graf spee doesnt have 30 sec fires so what the odds this will have 30 sec fires? Fact of the matter is that you will still take fire damage and saying that Kronny gets best of both worlds is debatable as it gets worst of both worlds in many ways. Like cruiser plating despite battleship size, worse DPM than cruisers despite not gaining any overmatch thresholds etc etc etc. Dont pick and chose man.

Ibuki bounces 305mm guns and 25mm plating on Kronny soaks Ibuki HE. Plus ofc Ibuki is a lot more agile and stealthy meaning it can disengage at will. Kronny is the least of Ibukis concerns. Real problem for Ibuki is that its super vulnerable to BBs yet cant out dpm Roons, Baltis or Donskoi. Ibuki out DPMs Kronny in HE terms. Idk why people bring up Ibuki of all things.

according to fnord_disc's awesome penetration curves and ofc my own experience you can literally oblitirate BB broadsides on point blank ranges. ofc Iowa doesnt have that high citadel anymore, but still on very close range getting 6/6 citadels against a yamato isnt that hard at all. Thats like over 30k damage. Of course this is true for the other tier 10s as well, but its really make or break on the penetration, it can be the difference between 6 out of 6 shatters or 30k damage. In short remember your pen thresholds and know the belt armor of the enemy youre facing. Remember, if enemy is angled their belt is effectively thicker. If in doubt just shoot upper plating youll still do around 10k plus depending on aim. At sub 5km you can pen most BB belts, but some can still shatter if slightly angled. of course Zao has standard outobounce angles.

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Cant we go back to calling these ships CBs/Large cruisers so we can have an own designation for these intermediary Battlecruiser heavy cruiser hybrids. It seems people cant handle it when they either see a cruiser with a lot of HP or a battleship with 12" guns for that matter... from what Ive seen on the facebook comments and forums it seems peoples head explode when they saw that 80k health pool on Kronny

Dude I'm looking at ingame stats and 380mm/45 on navweaps, from what I can see it looks like WG is using the muzzle velocity of the original shell (830m/s) while the shell weight is 885 kg which is the weight of the US shell. We know from the footnote that the french shell was either 884 or 890 kg. So I have no idea what the ingame pen curve WG is using. If I had to take a guess itd be the US one because Ive seen a lot of long range citadels on BBs done by CCs... and Im talking citadels that Bismarcks can only dream of. You better delete the post before they catch on mate Ive been waiting for that ship for too long. 72k HP on tier 8? yes please! Using SC on Vanguard means a increase in Alpha from 11400 to around 11700 depending on how WG rounds the numbers. On the other hand though I just looked at ingame stats for Monarch, Hood and Warspite, and it seems Monarch is using Hood shells with 104m/s higher velocity... From what I can find on the wows wiki both use mk13a while Warspite ofc uses the much better mk22b that has afaik about 0.02 better drag and x better krupp value. The only difference between Hood and Monarch is that Monarch has a tiiny bit better krupp... Even Navweaps assumes that the 15"mk 2 would have used mk22 AP shells... not the mk 13... It seems to me like it would have been obvious to equip Monarch with mk22 shells and give it some more reliable AP rather than have a weird 25 sec reload... Anyways getting carried away here. Though Vanguard with SC still has lower muzzle velocity than Monarch (804 m/s vs 836m/s), Vanguard will probably have better pen considering it (hopefully) will use the mk22 shells. WG finds weird way to throw curve balls at people like me. One post and 2 weird inconsistencies are relevant.. Source: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_15-45_mk2.php http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_15-42_mk1.php https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/59528-armor-penetration-curves/ http://wiki.wargaming.net/ru/Ship:Monarch (russian cause english said it used 356mm shells with 381mm gun... Wiki team are doing their job)

France looks like a great ship, while yes I dont like its core design principles I do think its more than strong and unique enough to warrant the tier 10 spot.

Im a semi competitive player so I really want that commander, but if it basically forces you to cough up money for a competitive element Im not going to sink money into it on principle...

I use expert loader on all my tier 10 cruisers (except mino ofc), when I learned to use it I found I was able to snapshot sooo much better. PM and double spotter are good picks as well, but I use spotter plane instead of fighters so double plane isnt that good. So expert loader isnt a must, but I take it over any of the other level 1 skills. I use a 1-2-2-2 build on my captain so only place for 1 level 1 skill and Id take expert loader any day.

Wait is pen really better than the italian? We know the dispersion is better, but I always though they were slightly worse off in pen..

Important to note that they are good 15" guns... and 12 of them too in a good layout. Looking forward to it.

WG... ITS TIME TO STOP! More like world of tier10ships amirite? I want to play tier 5-9 so bad, but the constant threat of uptiering sucks so instead I play tier 10s with premium camo and earn more money and XP thanany premium ships all the while ALWAYS being top tier. Its not like introducing a line at tier 8 is gonna help incentivize me to play lower tier anytime soon...

Git gud... Nothing more to it man

HP is such a small part of what makes a ship tanky or not though. Idk why people get their panties in a twist over these things. I mean more HP even means you take more damage from fires and flooding, so it doesnt even help against that. Btw all ship types use different formulas to calculate HP from displacement at full load. Cruisers get more HP from displacement compared to BBs.

Its you who didnt watch the video. They said that some documentation was still classified, so they had to work with declassified info (which was mostly text based). So in short they didnt have graphical info, so from text they still have all the creative freedom in the world. They never mentioned in the video that they had to get their hands on "super sekrit documents" or anything of the like. The fact still remains that making models off of paper ships will always be easier than recreating ships that existed with limited visual and text based sources. edit: not to mention that the community will have much higher expectations for ships that existed

This is correct. Hit ratio drops a lot on longer ranges (especially on moving targets and DDs) even with Manual skill, but buffing accuracy on short range is more usefull as you more or less make a no sail zone rather than just extending your range to tickle targets. So if you are half measuring survivability/Secondaries, then Manual secondaries is more usefull than aft. Even when half measuring AA/survivability then AFT is not good, MFCAAA is better on most ships. Of course if you are half measuring AA and Secondaries then Aft is good together with both respective manual fire controls

Am I one of the few super hyped for this? I bought Missouri a few weeks ago, but I already got 202k free xp with no plans to get Musashi (because no reason to shen I have yammy). This ship just goes perfectly with my Moskva Captain and is so unique its not something I can give up. Glad I held on to that Free xp now, was planning on using it on Frenchies but now I sure as hell will save it.

Looking at the ship itself I dont have any problems with this apporach. Maybe concealment and speed is a tad bit too high. Looking at the pic it has the historically planned layout of early war AA: 4x2 152mm, no AA capabilities 4x2 100mm, 40 dps@5 km 7x4 37mm, 84dps @3.5 km With AA button it might just survive a strike or two, but it isnt really an offensive AA ship at all like Stalingrad.

I predict they will use the 15" version for a BB at something like tier 7. Seems to compare rather well to Gneisenau.

A more orderly comparison here. Except it doesnt compare size which is another important factor. http://bit.ly/2sboOwf

Youre not completely wrong, knowing when to use a mix or take your chances at a focused build is a real skill in itself. For me though to me it looks like the Frenchies will be the first time I use a mixed build on any BB. For IJN, RN and USN BBs the main guns carry too much weight so I just want to make sure I can use them as much as possible, which means I need to survive massive HE spam, be able to traverse my turrets and reposition with stealth. For KM BBs on the other hand the guns were so underwhelming that not speccing into secondaries would have meant I just wouldnt have been able to put out the damage numbers needed to do well or have enough impact. For the French however, the guns are worthwhile to depend on, but they still dont punch as hard as Yamato or Montana does. The Frenchies looks to be kinda squishy so getting some survivability in is a must, but completely ignoring secondary power on France would again probably mean lower damage numbers. So yes going for a mixed and unfocused build either gives you the best of both worlds or makes you a master of none. This will always be a dilemma in meta gaming, but can be very rewarding if done right.

I dont know how anyone can say its a boring ship. Because of the smoke/concealment/radar you can play Mino in so many aggressive and exciting positions. For randoms I think its the by far most fun tier 10 Cruiser. If someone plays it with defensive smoke/island camping ONLY and use range mod then YES its boring and becomes no more than a point and click game. If someone plays it aggresively there is just so many things to consider at every turn and the torps helps spice things up as well. Short answer: If you find Mino boring, then you are playing it wrong.