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I could just replace "cause" with "encourage" and make the same point all over again. If your team wants to camp, yeah, you're along for the ride. On the other hand if your team wants to push it's the same thing. CVs can encourage players to camp, sure. CVs can also encourage players to push. If a CV scouts that the entire enemy team is camping (regardless of whether or not it's due to CV presence specifically) would it not encourage you push and take every objective there is on the map? Usually full on campfests with no objectives taken until the 10 minute mark only happen in almost pure BB games in my experience, CV or not. And again, a good CV on the enemy team should "encourage" your own team to push as to not give him ample time to pick you off one by one. True. And WG has failed hard in this regard. But that has literally nothing to do with CVs.

Am currently at Roon. From T5+ I liked all but Yorck tbh. K- and Nürnberg are excellent at kiting with great handling and decent gun power. Also loved the 360° rear guns. If you do take a hit however there's a pretty high chance it'll be a citadel. Yorck is a straight up downgrade from Nürnberg. Everything she does I feel like I could do better in her predecessor. She has more survivability but not so much to justify all her downsides. Hipper is decent. A good blend of firepower, gun handling, AA, survivability, maneuverability and range. Nothing she does is particularly inspiring but she gets the job done. Kinda a jack of all trades, master of none. Maybe she could use a small rof buff but nothing drastic. Also 27mm bow/stern armor starts here so you can troll some BBs. As everyone else has already said, Roon is amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on Hindenburg.

C'mon, you can't say it isn't justified. The Alpha Testers get an endless party with free drinks while us Beta Testers have to share an old, stuffy cottage next to a giant face of Justin Timberlake literally crying a river. We demand equal treatment!

One week left until the event. Hope we'll be able to grab some 'murica.

Which is why everyone is pushing when there aren't any CVs around, amirite? Seriously, the weird notion that CVs cause camping/lemmingtrains is ridiculous. If there is a CV that's causing camping then he must be enabling his own team to push via scouting. There are always two sides of a coin. If anything a better CV on the enemy team SHOULD cause you to push harder, putting pressure on him. If you're just camping in the back you're simply giving him more and more time to both get more strikes in and set them up. But alas, expecting the average player to do anything but sit in the back and snipe is too much in any scenario, not just one with CVs. See, this would be a perfectly fine trade, making CV play both more active and less frustrating for the opposing side. In the current iteration CVs have to be able to deal as much damage as they do because of their numerous drawbacks. Cutting down on one end means cutting down on the other as well. (Unless ofc you cut off too much, which would violate the fundamentals of CV play.)

While true, the requirements are still silly as all out. A ship shooting down ~40-50 planes should be rewarded accordingly. CS will always be easier to achieve in CVs (unless WG does something stupid like removing fighters or the like), but that doesn't mean it should be straight up impossible for any other class.

Rule number 1 when playing this game: Be prepared to do everything yourself.

Depends entirely on where you hit. Bow/Stern sections count as normal penetrations. Thus due to spread you will need to kill Conq in a single salvo (which isn't an easy feat when she has a lot of HP left), otherwise she'll be able to heal up again. Once caught a full hp Conq with a near perfect spread in my Fletcher and got her down to ~5k hp. She went into stealth immediately and the next time I saw her she had almost half HP again.

Just played against one. Bombers die in droves even against frontal strafes. Fighters are still a one trick pony (you either strafe or you lose), thus predictable and easily dispatched. When uncontested however I imagine she has hilarious strike potential. So yeah, she's essentially Kaga 2.0 You know, just like in the previous test iteration where we had these loadouts.

....Wait, aren't those the first test loadouts just without forced DW torps?

btw, apparently there is a new test iteration of GZ? Anyone can tell me what changed?

There's a new test variant of GZ? Guess it's time to farm some CS flags.

The only way of knowing is to get unspotted with e.g. smoke. It helps to know the individual radar ranges of ships and keeping an eye out for them on the minimap. If you're in radar range while you're being spotted you can basically assume that you will be radar'd as soon as your enemy loses visual contact, so don't waste your smoke and just haul your aft away from the enemy as fast as you can.

Nah, you weren't. Mogami is one of the cruisers weak to AP bombs. As said previously, AP bombs are primarily an anti cruiser weapon disguised under the pretense of being a tool against BB overpopulation. They do the same or less damage as HE bombs to most high tier BBs while possessing less overall utility, however being ludicrously effective against almost all T10 cruisers and quite a few T8/9 ones. Yes, that is precisely as stupid as it sounds.

Expecting a new BB line to have weak AA is like expecting WG to do something about BB overpopulation. It's never going to happen. Only question in my mind right now is if they're immune to AP bomb citadels just like the majority of BBs.

When you're the only one clinging to a single, utterly invalid point and call everyone else's view examining a potential mechanic from an actual gameplay perspective "one sided", maybe the problem is you? Just maybe?

Now this proposal will be rejected by default. C'mon, you know better than this! All premium BBs nowadays need gimmicks, preferably something that will displace cruisers even further! Include hydro, DFAA and super heal then WG will maybe consider it.

See? This guy gets it. Now if only there were more people like you.

I mean, I can definitely see where you're coming from, but this is just straight up wrong. No one has fun when taking damage, especially when they know there was nothing they could do about it as would be the case here. If you're out alone and get nuked, that's something you can improve upon. When you have sufficient AA cover near you and still take a good amount of damage, that's nothing but frustrating. There is also only so much AA you can reasonably stack without the group size becoming too large and cumbersome. The middle ground is lacking, that is absolutely right. However to look at CVs to solve that is at least partially wrong as there are plenty of reasons as to why there is basically no middle ground that have nothing to do with CVs themselves. These are the ridiculous disparity in AA performance with/without AA skills and upgrades, AA progression being just plain nonsensical and of course the tier disparity. If I were to start fixing this particular issue I would begin working on these points, not start to tinker around with CVs first. DFAA is a mechanic that is almost as old as the game itself, designed to counter planes that are no longer in the game (anyone remember strike Haku? Fun times). That it needs overhaul is an understatement.

Servicing, launching, consolidating then flying out your planes to your target takes more than 2 minutes, defeating the entire purpose behind your narrative.

Problem is that this would defeat the entire purpose of AA and ironically make CVs overpowered because it leaves no way of counterplay for surface ships. I would be free to pursue any mid-low HP target at my leisure without any ramifications at all. The only real threat that would remain on the battlefield are enemy fighters, a much diminished one because most CV players barely even grasp the concept of strafing (if at all), let alone the more intricate mechanics of fighter combat. The all or nothing approach actually isn't broken, it is designed to be this way and thus working as intended. How it is executed leaves much to be desired and there are plenty of improvements one can make, but there is no way to remove it without redesigning both CVs and AA from scratch, which in turn could affect all other mechanics in this game as they're part of the fundamentals.

Any kind of turn bleeds speed, how much is dependent on how sharp the turn is in my experience. Multiple command inputs also decrease speed as you're essentially adjusting the course of your fighters multiple times, thus turning multiple times in quick succession.

Don't even need to read that to know it's invalid. Get it through your head. This is not a game even remotely resembling a simulator, nor will it ever be. Which is one of the advantages that is being traded off. Who cares about how often you can refill your squads when you are inherently incapable of striking a target anyway? Not to mention with each lost squad the amounts of risks and potential targets you actually can strike get smaller and smaller, as you're getting more focused on preserving your remaining reserves. Guns and torpedo tubes on the other hand don't get destroyed nearly as often and a BB on 1 HP is usually just as much a threat firepower-wise as a BB at full HP. Your choice of targets don't narrow nearly as much with diminishing HP as it does for a CV with diminishing reserves. Thank you once again for demonstrating your sheer lack of knowledge. Ladies and Gents, the mindset of a potato. "WAAAH WAAAH I CAN'T GET CLOSE THOSE EVIL PLANES WILL DAMAGE MY SHIP OTHERWISE!!!!" And ofc replace "planes" with either - torpedoes - HE spam - AP shells to the broadside You're just whining without a basis at this point, representing the worst part of the community. Nice job invalidating yourself. And why do you think it'd be a good idea to continue pushing when you've got the cap advantage? By pushing the enemy defense further you risk overextending and getting needlessly killed, wasting the cap advantage you have. If you're doing so on the basis of fun, yeah, your team must have so much fun with your selfish desire to put them at a disadvantage and possibly causing them to lose. And ofc if you're just sailing around in a capped zone while at a cap disadvantage, you're camping. Aka you deserve to lose anyway. But then again expecting you to realize that is probably too much considering the gigantic amount of ignorance you have demonstrated so far.

Have you ever considered that if your team doesn't follow you in they will never follow you anyway and you deserve to lose? Also how was the enemy then able to push and take the objective? After all according to you a CV automatically promotes camping, yet whenever your own team camps the enemy doesn't seem to have that issue. It's always oh so easy to blame CVs for everything, isn't it? Even if it is based on nothing but stupidity. And your point is? No other ship has to risk its armament every time it attacks, either, nor do they lose them on such a consistent basis to something that requires barely any skill at all. If you're honestly griping about how CVs don't have to put their physical hull in harms way it just demonstrates how utterly ignorant you are. Again.