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He's actually quite a lot better than you. Besides, as we all know AA is totally skill based. I didn't just push a button to delete all his TBs within seconds at my max AA range to deny his strike on my DDs.

And playing something other than your precious BBs has never crossed your mind, no? Remember, by playing BBs you're doing CVs a favor. If you don't want them to be dominant, stop playing BBs and start playing AA ships instead. "AA is so weak." "Can't do anything against CVs." "When CV wants you dead, you die." "CVs op pls remove."

No I'm not. I'm questioning your experience you're using to justify certain points about CVs. Which you have just proven yourself is worthless. Cleve far superior to Moskva everyone. You've heard it here first.

LOL WG has revealed that spotting damage yields next to nothing. In a game with a huge amount of spotting damage (200k+) you can expect maybe 100-200 exp out of it.

You see emblem comrade? Glorious service of intelligence KGB always know where you are!

The same experience that gets you killed in your Moskva by Cleves 1vs1?

So... you've always liked CV play no matter how hard you tried?

Eh? Did I say anything to defend that? Have you even bothered to read what I wrote?

Clearly.

Implying that this poll is of any statistical worth. Which it isn't no matter how you look at it.

Well dayum, if 44 out of a total of 20-30k players say they want something gone, I guess WG should deliver on that. You are very special, aren't you?

Otherwise you get sent to gulag like comrade @Boris_MNE here. Heed his warning. Gulag is horrible place.

You think that matters? Fact is having good AA is considered an advantage whereas having bad AA is considered a drawback. Other advantages are lost when getting good AA and likewise advantages are gained when having bad AA. Developers use AA as a balancing tool, if it is removed the game must be rebalanced accordingly. It doesn't matter if you believe the game will be fine afterwards considering you've just failed Game Design 101.

Except, you know, DFAA actually wasn't a thing. It was introduced later on. Back in early CBT you only had your base AA to rely on, so everyone and their mother specialized into it (not to mention it was the only thing worth specializing into as almost every other skill was practically worthless). Not that it mattered ofc with stuff like strike Haku or strike Midway. I believe the only time my team actually managed to defend against a CV strike was when the entire team literally all bunched up into one spot. Other than that AA was for damage mitigation at best, not denying strikes completely.

Wow, your understanding of the game is worse than I thought. Maybe some examples will help you? Some ships, like Kronhstadt or Musashi, get shafted in AA for their advantages. Other ships like DM or Minotaur get shafted because they have good AA. Removing CVs means removing AA, which in itself results in rebalancing the entire game, practically redesigning it from scratch. And actually most games which aim to be competitive balance around the top 1% because if it is balanced around the top 1%, it will inevitably be balanced for everyone else. Remember, balance is to give the opposing sides equal chances to win the game outside of the human factor. That most people play abysmally bad and get punished for it is thus not a balancing problem.

CVs were actually rather popular in CBT precisely because they were hilariously overpowered resulting in memes like this: Then WG took the nerfhammer to CVs which killed the average CV player population overnight, leaving only the extremely skilled and red tomatoes to play the class.

I'm just thinking as the selfish CV biased everyone believes I am. Why not embrace the stereotype? Cap points are. If you don't want to play the objective, knock yourself out. The very idea of having to specialize against a core mechanic of the game is idiotic indeed, but hey, people also wanted more diversity in captain skills, consumables and upgrades. This is their own fault, thus they get no sympathy from me. Because the Graf Zeppelin is what an "equalized" CV looks like. If you demand the skill gap to be lowered, this is what you get. True, because they're all too busy surviving against the horde of BBs gunning for them to provide adequate AA cover. From a pure CV perspective BB overpopulation is the best thing that has ever happened since 5 TB Haku. Ample amount of targets and your dedicated counters can't really oppose you unless they feel suicidal. Could be addressed by tackling BB overpopulation but hah, who am I kidding? However a well entrenched AA ship will give me all sorts of trouble, although that requires him to have more than two working braincells which is equally rare.

And that means an AA ship is capable of denying swaths of map space simply by their presence in which their team can operate in without fear from aircraft. Any strike that I attempt is futile. You don't need your own CV for that, he's likely being busy anyway whether he's skilled or not. Which is a hole WG dug themselves. Sure, it's a problem, but I no longer have any sympathy left for the potatoes that don't even bother taking DFAA, inevitably get dev striked then scream that CVs are op. Just like Graf Zeppelin, a CV even the most braindead potato can excel with, was welcome? Be careful what you wish for. In any kind of skilled environment CVs drop off hilariously. The reasons why CVs are so dominant have a lot do with the current meta and average player skill and next to nothing with CVs themselves. Any kind of experienced CV captain knows that all it takes to shut you down is one or two AA ships positioning themselves well. Or to illustrate it: Thankfully intelligent play has become as rare as CVs themselves, so in a CV I'm capable of simply wiping the enemy team out without much effort. Even if he is skilled he doesn't present a problem. CVs are naturally limited in their ability to provide air coverage, unless the enemy team is playing as well as him I'll always have ample amount of targets to choose from thanks to the general stupidity that perpetuates random.

And how does this tie in with the point at hand? AA is still a major balancing factor, no amount of stats will change that. Besides, I don't see anything broken with his stats. The average player is stupid beyond belief, thus they get punished by CVs, leading to high influence beyond initial design for CVs. That's the biggest reason why the class is perceived as broken. On the other hand a CV is next to powerless in any kind of skilled environment such as KotS.

Waiting until planes are inside 3km then pushing one button is now hard. Christ. Weird. In my experience the enemy CV is pretty much always a non-factor. AA ships are far more annoying than anything. You can outplay the enemy CV. You can't outplay someone who doesn't even need to do anything to win. I hope people realize that any kind of manual control for AA is a huge nerf to AA capability. Hardly unexpected considering the goals of the rework.

I was assuming that you could simply drop out if the class you want to play was already being taken as otherwise you'd get a massive storm from potatoes who can't play their favorite class all the time. But yeah, for ranked this would make sense but the problems with ranked go much deeper than that. I can't see it being feasible for randoms tho.

Except, as the scenarios from @Commander_Cornflakes point out, no, it wouldn't solve anything regarding MM unless you apply severe rules to the system which would worsen queue time dramatically.

A poll that is: - inconclusive from a statistical viewpoint - inconclusive from a gameplay viewpoint - made on a forum where perhaps 1% of all players regularly look into - made on a forum where actual devs rarely, if ever, make an appearance - made by someone in severe need of git gud is your idea of "drastic" measures? Please stop! I can't breathe! xD

That's too bad, I can give you the last official statement on the current state of CVs from WG: Translated from here: Or if you want a tl;dr: Git gud. Though before you complain about how old it is, CVs back then were actually quite a bit better off than now.