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So you and your teammates do not die to aircraft? Quite frankly if the enemy CV can simply kill most of your teammates and at the same time avoid you you've hilariously misplayed in your positioning. Meanwhile if you're actually protecting your teammates (which quite frankly isn't that hard if you know a little bit about how CVs play) that usually results in two scenarios. 1. If your team is putting pressure on the enemy team the CV will eventually have to come into AA range or remain completely useless. 2. When you're being pressured or are in a stalemate you and the teammates around you can at least play with the knowledge that the enemy CV won't be able to put additional pressure on you. Ofc it sucks not getting rewarded for it, but that's the norm in this game for any kind of team-based action (which WG isn't inclined to change either). If you want to win, you have to put personal gains behind you more often than not. For example just a few matches ago I was playing my Cleve with @Saiyko in his Akizuki. Our CV was a complete potato and thus a non-factor with the enemy Taiho substantially better AND in an AA div. So I just sailed close to him and the majority of my teammates on my flank the entire time. The enemy CV wised up quickly and left our flank alone after losing 5 planes for free to me which enabled us to take two caps without much resistance, putting them into a losing position. The enemy CV was eventually forced into trying to strike the teammates near me in an effort to win the match towards the end at which point I just pressed my I-win button and shut him down. I finished in the middle on the scoreboard as I couldn't farm much damage and had to play safe to keep the enemy CV away from my teammates. My score wasn't even close to being good, but if I had not played the way I did we would've likely lost. Thus if you want to play for personal gains, that's fine. However that also gives you no grounds to complain about CVs as the fault lies with you (and, well, WG for creating such a stupid economy model in their team game), not the CV.

Just met @xxNihilanxx (who is currently banned), @cherry2blost and @TVLX while playing with @Saiyko. Jesus... That game. That was painful to play and I wasn't even on your team.

Which is what literally every division with competent players does. It doesn't matter at all if it's CV + AA or DDs + radar or any other sensible combination. If your idea of fairness includes the human factor we must ultimately remove the division system as a whole. That is why balance always EXCLUDES the human factor. I stand by my point. If you get trashed by such a division you should aspire to get as good as them. If you do not aspire to get as good as them then you deserve to get trashed.

What is this, sensible balancing changes done with a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer? Am I dreaming? (Though I think Izumo's problem is that she has too much pen capability, thus getting overpens all the time? I don't think increasing her pen is going to alleviate her problems.)

"We are looking into solutions for BB overpopulation." - WG 2016 Turns out the solution was to make everything into BBs. Well played WG, well played.

These were supposed to be missile destroyers (no joke). They were scrapped when they decided to scrap missiles.

Lion is kinda meh. You'll be praying a lot to RNGesus when playing her. In some games she performs extremely well, in others you'll struggle to do anything meaningful. Still, overall she's not bad, just not good either. I'm willing to at least play that ship unlike that piece of garbage they call "Monarch".

- Glorious supreme Russian torp boat - Far better torp boat than all high tier IJN DDs This is turning into a running gag, isn't it?

...they did? Care to point me towards the patchnotes if you have them on hand please? I must've missed that.

The wiki is maintained by the community. WG has no hands in it from what I know.

In a sense yes ofc. That is because even BBs are failures at punishing BBs nowadays due to bow camping and lack of citadels. The only thing left that can reliably punish BBs for their shoddy play are CVs and they will usually not want to expend the resources to do so. Not to mention competent ones currently do not exist in sufficient numbers to make a difference. However that is a result of BBs constantly getting buffed directly or indirectly, making it the single most braindead class in this game by far. They are far from the only class that has problems. Every class has severe issues one way or another, CVs being the most prominent one, but BBs are a huge part of why this game went the direction it did with no signs of improvement in sight. Even now BB players continue to complain about BBs being too weak in all sorts of manners that are simply hilariously untrue. And on the off chance that they do get punished for their mistakes the salt level is especially high.

Because quite frankly the Monarch is garbage.

I wouldn't actually say it's the worst MM bracket atm. T6 imo is much more painful. At least you have some options as a T8 going up against T10s.

This is funny because both HE shells and fires were MUCH more powerful in CBT.

But in this case, does it really hurt tho? Premium spotter plane is run primarily for the shorter cd and nothing else. Even if you "only" had 4 or 5 planes available you will rarely, if ever deplete them all within a single match. Let historical aspects be historical when they don't have an impact on game mechanics.

This is interesting. A few posts before you immediately attack another for their stats, yet when someone with much better statistics than you shows up and tells you you're wrong it doesn't count either? Big surprise. Weird, the first one to bring up the rework is you. You believe the rework is some sort of DD buff when it clearly is not. And no, spotting will only increase if WG keeps on their vision of wanting multiple CVs in the game. It will however remain roughly the same as it was before, just in a different direction. Meanwhile contesting caps is going to be much more difficult and likewise is staying unspotted if the CV happens to concentrate on your side of the map. Or generally survive if you happen to be the target said CV has chosen. And I could likewise say that you're making questionable points about BBs and how they're supposedly weak to everything. Unless you actually start formulating counterpoints beyond "LOL R U SERIOUS?!" and "U KNO HOW SILLY U R!!!111" both mean nothing. Interesting considering I was able to go entire matches without losing a single one. Not to fighters, not to AA, literally nothing. Or alternatively, if 3 Worcesters sticking together didn't make me lose a single plane, what do you think all other ships can do? In the rework the concept of AA cover is practically dead, which means any DD that taps a cap will only ring the dinnerbell for the CV. And if you're referring to the WIP state of the rework, the general consensus among potatoes, aka the people WG wants to market this rework towards, in the feedback thread is that reworked CVs are too weak and can't do anything. If I wanted CVs to be the overpowered game breaking class almost everyone says they are I would wholeheartedly support this rework. The reason for that is very simple. The game is saturated. There is no influx of new players nor are significant amounts of players leaving the game. Player numbers have been consistent for years and likewise has BB overpopulation. Source: https://stats.wotapi.ru/stats/wows/eu/total If you want to see the rise of BB players, you need to look at stats a few years ago. Which @Culiacan_Mexico kindly provided and you immediately called bull on because they don't fit your views. Which would be fine if garbage BB players would simply deal with the consequences of it, namely getting trashed by all their counters which they grant freedom to by perpetuating BB overpopulation. Too bad that isn't the case.

Why you drag me into this is beyond me, but it certainly isn't the most stupid thing I've ever seen you do. Nah, that'd be what you do every single time when I see you in a match. One would think that after more than 15k battles you'd learn something. Though if you want to contest my statements, I can only say that with the current iteration of the rework I can kill a Yamato in a minute without losing a single aircraft regardless of the amount of AA cover.

So, because I've played more games in high tier BBs than you have along with being generally more successful in them, you will accept it when I say that your views on BBs being too vulnerable or being otherwise shafted are full of ? I mean, if your idea of "shafted" is "massive and ridiculous buffs in almost every way", sure. I'm honestly dumbfounded as to how anyone can see the current iteration of the rework in a positive light considering it makes literally every problem that current CVs have even worse. Also CV spotting isn't being nerfed. It is being traded off. You're trading global spotting for far more oppressive localized spotting that can arrive anywhere on the map at a moments notice while at the same time being impossible to counterplay. Unlike the current version where any cruiser that has an AA range equal/longer than its detection range and some DDs can easily deny CV spotting. So I don't see how DDs are getting more freedom with the rework considering 30 seconds after they tap a cap a CV (one out of potentially many might I add) can swoop in for a free guaranteed kill no matter how much AA support there is while current CVs can take up to 4 minutes before arriving at the scene with an effective strike force which will easily get wiped by a single supporting AA ship. Oh, and reworked CVs can reset caps indefinitely unless you have at least 3 ships in said cap. Which will be spotted almost the entire time.

That's actually one of the oldest bugs in the game. I've encountered it as far back as CBT and it has cost me more than once. No idea what causes it tho. Could be connection issues but I never had lag spikes like the ones described.

In the same way you could call Enterprise trash because she faces Worcesters etc. all the time. Yet clearly she is not. Vanguard AA would be considered pretty good even in comparison with higher tier ships, that makes her AA a nightmare for same and lower tier CVs. Considering we should compare ships with same tier contemporaries I don't believe me to be overstating anything at all. Her only Achilles heel in this regard is the same for every other RN BB. Her AA is concentrated almost completely in extremely squishy mid range mounts, meaning even a light shower of HE shells can leave her vulnerable to air strikes. A stupid design choice, but it's one that WG stuck with sadly.

This is some serious high level necromancy, but since it's good necromancy I won't slap it with the usual picture.

Uh, what? CVs have been part of this game since day 1 of CBT and afaik even during alpha. Unless you only mean the Midway. She was introduced later. As for me Started: March 12th 2015 (Day 1 CBT) Premium: 15 days left (60 days from gamescom) Free exp: 303k (recently skipped the Monarch) Credits: ~235,5 million Doubloons: 18400 (10k from gamescom) Steel: 4k Coal: 185k

Same way T5 is. This is funny. The vast majority of my T8 ships have a 60%+ solo WR. For every T8 ship on your own team you get a T8 ship on the enemy team. That's the fairness part done. Performance-wise T8 ships have plenty of options against T10s. Ironically the same thing cannot be said when T6 ships face T8s.

Then I guess a Bogue should be given enough striking power to safely kill an Atlanta?

Because clearly AA power is measured in how a ship deals with a CV two tiers higher.