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LOL that health pool. A single well placed rocket salvo can take them out.

Unless said CV is bad and ed up their positioning that doesn't work either. And it especially doesn't work at T10 due to armored flight decks. A bit of chip damage on a CV is meaningless. You're far better off recalling to strike at surface ships again. Good CVs will in the vast majority of cases never be low before their team falls. As such I would think twice about it even then. And I'd rather not have any of my teammates go full and chase the CV ad infinitum. Too many easy wins get thrown that way.

Deploying mines is probably going to be a sub thing in the future.

What are you even on about? RTS Shokaku could match Enterprise if played well. She would absolutely demolish Lexington and GZ while retaining superior strike potential. Lexington was the worst T8 CV by far followed by GZ. Regardless this is about the rework.

You are going to regret asking for this. I will make sure of that.

I mean sure, if the enemy CV is the closest target they become a viable target choice. (And well, I was capping. ) Crossing the entire map to snipe one though is a waste of time. And that's my point, while CVs CAN technically speaking hurt each other, it is actively discouraged in the vast majority of situations. Given the way this game is designed this shouldn't exist.

People have tried to snipe me over the entirety of the match. It does not end well regardless of whether you're smart about it.

Names are clearly visible. Change it before the mods notice.

I seem to remember that coop bots were made worse because some players complained that coop was too difficult.

Yeah, no. CVs have comparable AA concentration to BBs, meaning they suffer less from gun losses compared to cruisers and especially DDs. Besides, dropping fighters all over yourself is still an option. Sure, you get one strike but CVs also have the 2nd highest health pool along with practical immunity to fires, meaning they are by far the most survivable class against air strikes. Any halfway competent CV will get you deplaned before you sink him. You know, as happened to the few strikes you managed to get through to me. It is almost like you never even read my posts to begin with. Ofc I do. Do a basic comparison between the last pages of CV stats. Reworked ones are notably worse. This also lines up with my own experience, I've seen CV players miss BBs with rockets. And to say that it isn't a rare occurrence would be an understatement. For reference, there is a player in the reworked Lexington that does 700 average damage. That's not a typo. What is there to say aside from the rework being superior in this regard as it is in almost every other aspect? It should be common knowledge by now that reworked planes are faster and have far superior turnaround times.

Well to sum it up

Her TB drop pattern was very wonky, yes. LWM has a picture of it in her review. Just google for it.

Now that you're wrong it's not on the table anymore, but okay. No, but the point is it wasn't possible to shut down even a potato from the get go unless they're literally a basic bot or attempting to snipe (in fact the latter can still happen). Now in the rework a bad CV is incapable of accomplishing anything from the get go. As such the overall situation is arguably worse or at the very least equally bad when compared. Do you deny that? If you like to be deplaned, sure. Just because you can technically speaking despite numerous mechanics discouraging you doesn't mean it is all fine. Eh, true.

Clearly.

It's not like fighters couldn't have been changed as well. Depriving a class of its fundamental ability to fight each other, making griefing other classes its sole purpose, meanwhile can't be changed without scrapping all other mechanics built around it, aka the entire rework. And a class that does nothing but grief other classes does not belong in a team based game. Sure, but reality is RTS potatoes still did better than reworked potatoes apparently, meaning it was objectively preferable to have potatoes get whacked rather than have them walk into pitfalls. And even if it is just the same, it fixes nothing. Which is still worse than before in a way since it represents once again how incompetent WG is when it comes to CVs. Again, you may have changed the piping, but the leak is still there. But I suppose that can be subjective. What certainly cannot be claimed however is that the overall situation has improved. Which is why we're seeing way more ordinance hitting in posted screenshots. It is almost like you're being intellectually dishonest again by omitting things such as how planes can adjust their aim easily during an attack run unlike before. Perhaps one day you will learn that "feelings" don't matter if not backed up by evidence.

2 and a 1/2 for the GZ. And the enemy CV could also have 2 squads. Reality does invalidate your point. And unlike you I have provided hard evidence. Thank god the CN server exists so people can't just make up lies whenever they please, eh? Stick to the nearest AA cruiser, something that no longer works. Sure, Mr. "CVs are unplayable - demand refund". Which does in fact prove my point. The end result is either the same or worse than before. It hasn't improved in any way, shape or form. And if the end result is the same or worse, how can it be better at the same time?

Send replay to support for match fixing. Apparently they do get banned, albeit not permanently at first. Alternatively write to WG employees like @Crysantos or @MrConway, explain what has happened and attach the replay.

And surely I had the ammo to do that afterwards. It's not like I need strafes against fighters too or sth. My fighters ofc were always at or near full strength after an engagement with enemy fighters as well. And always were strike planes near enemy fighters. And if they weren't my fighters could definitely teleport. /s Potatoes hit flak. Flak disintegrates planes. Any damage done is minuscule in comparison to what a player of the same skill level could do with RTS CVs. Aka bad players have become worse. And any half decent surface ship player would not allow that as proven above. Aka counterplay to CVs existed unlike in the rework. Ofc you don't. You have proven resistant to facts time and time again. Just like you are now.

LOL 17,6km base concealment. To put this into perspective: Monty has 17,3km Yamato has 17,5km Kremlin has 16,5km GK also has 17,6km Puerto Rico literally has the same base concealment as a GK. Can't have filthy cruiser outspot BB masterrace after all camrade!

I mean, Enterprise IS technically a T10 CV... Considering they buffed Enterprise when she was already overpowered it speaks volumes about WG's ability to balance anything, really. If we're going with reality we may as well accept that CVs will remain ed forever. You know, sometimes I wonder why I even bother to bring up facts. Yes, eventually the skilled CV player would gain complete air superiority. Until then a potato can push strikes through. And because of, you know, basic stuff like service times and so on this literally could not happen until about the 14 minute mark or so. And even afterwards opportunities to strike could easily present themselves due to the limitations of fighters. A reworked potato CV gets shut down from the very first minute to the very last. Likewise an enemy CV couldn't simply butcher your team unless all their AA was particularly pathetic. Again, see that up there? That's RTS Zao AA. Tell me how hard I "butchered" him. Now any skilled CV player doesn't particularly care about AA anymore. Attempting to ignore hard evidence does not make it any less true.

You're right, because the rework is arguably worse in this regard when it comes to actual results. Again, a myth. Fighters had constraints that outright prevented you from completely locking down a player until enemy fighters were dealt with. Even then opportunities to strike could be capitalized on without anything you could do about it. Lets use the above screenshots as an example. Despite playing Enterprise vs Lexington, which is perhaps the best match up you can possibly get when it comes to air superiority, I could not prevent a potato CV from getting two kills and he finished in the middle of the scoreboard. A potato CV in the rework would get absolutely nothing done. No, but they'd arguably be more balanced. Perhaps even too weak. Aka no one would play them. Again, CV performance does need to be equalized, but e.g. buffing every T8 CV to Enterprise level just creates more issues than it would solve. This is why you judge overall balance by the strongest contenders, not the weakest.

Nononono, I'm not saying RTS CVs as a whole were weak. My overall point was some RTS CVs such as Ranger were never complained about because they were far weaker than their contemporaries. WG never was good at balancing CVs even only against each other and they're doing not an ounce better in the rework. However these weaker CVs, be they RTS or rework, are irrelevant to the discussion because it makes no sense attempting to judge a class by its weakest performers. Performance should be equalized, yes, but the strongest representatives should be taken as a reference point when it comes to overall balance. As a whole RTS CVs were in fact too strong due to several severe but, imo, fixable factors. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional. The recent CC summit presentation.

Well, that's because there were only like a dozen players or so playing her (which did give her pretty good stats tho). She was unpopular due to several factors. I think LWM sums it up quite nicely in her review:

Because Implacable is weak in comparison. It offers little improvement compared to Furious but its MM is much harsher. Again the only truly viable RN CV is Audacious. And even she is rather situational compared to her contemporaries. Compared to other CVs ofc. And btw, BB blapping isn't really possible anymore because BBs were both directly and indirectly buffed to be that way. E.g. a BB getting blapped by another BB for showing broadside used to be commonplace a long, long time ago. Basic example:

Which quite frankly doesn't line up with my experience. Unless you up or go in with a severely diminished squad to begin with one full strike is guaranteed to make it. And that doesn't even include abusing terrain or slingshot. Weak CVs as in they were considered weak compared to others, as such they were never complained about. You know, as you're doing right now. You're complaining about the GZ, not e.g. the Ranger.