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How about you actually spell it out instead of always writing something like "OMG YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS IS STOOPID LOL"? Or perhaps you don't actually have an argument at all? Even at the beginning of their lifespan reworked CVs were only about as popular as RTS CVs initially were. It took RTS CVs years to get to a truly unattractive level, the rework managed it in only a few months. Take from that what you will.

No more changes are incoming and haven't been for some time. Current population can be considered stable. Average stats are down, top player stats remain at least as good as before and worst player stats are significantly worse. Thus the average player performs worse than before, otherwise we would see similar stats compared to RTS as the potential of CVs hasn't changed. But sure, keep averting your eyes from reality. Alrighty then, do you see anyone wanting to add a 4th lane in any MOBA? Or a third bombsite in CS? Except the end result is the same. Potato CVs still get shut down, so the rework has failed in this regard. This very thread is proof of it. Damage potential is at least just as high in high tiers. Spotting multiple areas of the map is still possible, just completely unnecessary. There are tons of players that sport averages comparable to T1 ships in high tier CVs. Score results which show ships with bad AA get ludicrous number of strike plane kills are depressingly common. Likewise looking in on any stream which shows players failing in CVs confirms the theory. We don't need global flak damage averages as there is plenty of other supporting data around. Also you just admitted that there is no counterplay to reworked CVs.

Gotland in a completely different outfit I suppose.

https://lrc.dllc.udel.edu/the-representation-of-women-in-japanese-war-themed-videogames-oct-12-400-530-pm/ ಠ_ಠ Also Saury event has started in KC. End reward is another Catapult, which I guess also means we have another CV K2 incoming.

Depends on both the target ship and the CV used.

I've also seen that the "V" in CV is supposed to stand for aViation since "CA" was already taken, but no conclusive sources can be found afaik. From http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/index_ships_list.php

Deck penetrations shouldn't be possible due to auto bounce. Personally I'm gonna guess they're turning towards you to angle and thus giving you the opportunity to hit the citadel directly. I'm quite sure I solved the mystery regarding FdG. It would appear that FdG's turtleback/main belt armor is too shallow to cover against underwater hits at long ranges as evidenced by me getting a couple torp protection hits, although few DM shells retained enough penetration power/fuse time to hit the citadel. Shouldn't happen to any other KM BB as their belt armor extends further down. (Although when looking at the armor scheme right now GK also seems a bit suspect in that regard.) I'm not sure if this was always like that, but eh, learn something new every day I suppose. Still better check with @Crysantos @MrConway @Tanatoy whether this is intended or not.

....the hell? Did they change something? Last time I did such tests against KM BBs (which to be fair is a long time ago) I got nothing at all. At what ranges did you get those? (Inb4 FdG armor scheme is bugged and gonna get fixed asap.)

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Just that DFAA is largely useless too nowadays.

Just played one match against a 27% WR, 30k avg damage Shokaku. Despite taking 66 casualties, of which pretty much all were strike planes since this player didn't seem to know what fighters even are as he suicided straight up into mine, he was able to fly around with viable attack wings the entire time up until the 16 minute mark when the match ended. Managed to get off 2 attacks, cutting the HP of the Shima in half. Casualties were about 7 RFs of which I already regenerated close to two at this point. Or perhaps when faced with simple, proven facts such as "Rework is about as popular as RTS" and "average player fails even harder than before" all you do is downvote the post since it is all you can do? Averting your eyes off of reality is fine if you want to do it for yourself, don't expect no one to contest your flawed opinion tho if you make it public when it is essentially equal to calling the Earth flat. They've already tested missile DDs (which imo is a separate enough class since the core mechanics differ fundamentally from normal DDs or even other surface ships) and deemed them unviable. This was supposed to be the third RU DD line which got scrapped along with the missile concept. It instead got turned into the CV rework. While nothing official has been reported on this, the timing and fundamental gameplay parallels line up too well to be a coincidence imo. So technically speaking these are in the game already. Core concepts by definition are limited. It's why it is the core in the first place since it inherently limits your options afterwards as features that go against it are eliminated. As such how limited the core concept is is rather irrelevant if the gameplay it provides is stellar. You don't see anyone trying to add new pieces to Chess just to keep it fresh, do you?

Except I've backed up my claims with supporting scientific data, making them facts. I've yet to see the same thing from you. In fact you have yet to prove that such facts are only my "opinion". And no matter how often you do it, without any clear evidence to back it up it is, ironically, only your opinion which when faced with actual proven facts has no worth. Oh, yes, they did. Both missile destroyers and hybrid ships have been teased. Lets see where they ended up? Missile destroyers essentially became reworked CVs, so that's one class removed for the sake of the other. Quite unsuccessfully might I add. Recent official statements (either on stream or in a Q&A, don't remember which one) revealed that reworked CV play is incompatible with surface ship gameplay, as such the concept has been sent to development hell. Unless there is another one I'm not aware of that's all there is? As for the game healthiness itself, most successful long lived games actually pick a core concept and stick with it, choosing to build features around it rather than changing the core entirely. Adding an entirely new class heavily disrupts WoWs core gameplay.

Actually Hatsu and Fubuki have pretty decent DPS for their tier, let down only by their range which translates to not having much time at all to bring it to bare on attacking aircraft. In any real combat scenario you may only get 2-3 seconds of full AA DPS exposure per attack. So in reality you'll at best shoot down one plane on the third attack run if the enemy CV even bothers to make it. Hence why you either used fighters or vastly overstayed your welcome. Such a thing translates to a lot of ships. A group of T8+ ships may have scary DPS on paper but then you need to factor in that long range AA is pretty much irrelevant nowadays, thus as long as you attack ships on the edge of the formation and they aren't ridiculously close together, at which point you don't need to attack them since they are practically defeating themselves, you're essentially dealing with the AA of only two ships in total. One for the ship you're attacking, and one via combined total DPS of every other ship.

Considering a Hatsu or Fubuki needs well over 10 seconds to kill even a single GZ plane it stands to reason that either the majority of those plane losses were fighters or you vastly overstayed your welcome for whatever reason. Either way it's irrelevant.

Let me guess, 16 of those were fighters?

If some of these arguments about CVs are to be believed BBs and DDs do have "limited" ammo since they are inherently limited by the match timer. You know, just as CVs have "limited" reserve planes.

In the long run you better bring actual arguments to the table instead of quitting the discussion whenever you're proven wrong. Why can't CVs be removed from a game design and balancing standpoint? What do you believe that 6th class will be?

While technically true, the following must apply: - shooting through the bow into the small gap between the turtleback and citadel armor, requires some hefty RNG - shooting at the waterline while the KM BB is broadside and turning towards you which allows you to bypass the turtleback and hit the citadel directly Otherwise KM BBs are impervious to citadel hits at all ranges.

Except one of them is completely isolated from the other three, being neither reliant nor relied upon. Even AA as a balancing mechanic for surface ship capabilities has been thrown completely out of the window. As such from a game design and balancing standpoint removal of CVs would be incredibly easy and is such a viable option. The only real reason why this won't happen is because it'd make WG lose money via refunds, not because CVs can't actually be removed or sth.

If you check her armor scheme you'll notice that Montana for the most part isn't much better armored than DDs. This actually applies to a lot of BBs.

I'm honestly not sure where this ludicrous myth comes from that KM BBs are vulnerable to citadels at long ranges? Do yourself a favor, go to the training room and shoot at KM BBs at long range. I guarantee you won't get any. There are ways to citadel KM BBs, but they either require some hefty RNG, said KM BB to up or being able to fly and armed with balans bombs.

They were in TST. CV sniping was rampant and effective until they changed it.

Nope, planes flying around for the full 20 mim duration of a match can often be observed. The answer is pretty simple. You clearly underestimate how terrible the average player is. Seeing them miss BBs even with rockets has become a common occurence. This is also why average damage of CVs only tells you how incompetent the playerbase is and nothing more.

Honestly contemplating whether I should despite not having a blu ray player. (That said not gonna lie, animation quality in the episode 4 fight scene was pretty bad.)