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It's fun having terrible teams all the time.

The problem, again, is that said CV even if he is potato will attack inside the 3.5km radius anyway, therefore flak plays no part in your defense.

Enterprise citadel is deep below the waterline and protected by spaced armor. By getting close you're preventing yourself from reliably scoring citadel hits.

DFAA flak instakills. +2 bursts really doesn't do much to further this effect. RTS CVs had multiple squads of all types in the air, thus a fighter concept worked. That is not the case with reworked CVs. The rework is fundamentally different from the RTS iteration, therefore what works for one does not necessarily work for the other.

Yes it is. If a low tier CV will get wiped out against an AS CV, there'd be absolutely no point in playing a low tier CV because you will not be able to do anything anyway. If a high tier CV cannot get wiped out, then there's no point in playing an AS CV since the normal CV will be able to influence the match much more than you. There's a reason complete AS loadouts were removed in RTS, you know? I see absolutely no difference when compared to previous AS CVs. So basically just afk for a minute or two if you see the enemy CV pull out fighters. I also fail to see why the enemy CV cannot just cycle fighters indefinitely to completely remove fuel constraints. Your idea just gets more and more terrible by the minute.

The problem with that is you typically don't want to advertise your position in such a manner. Flak stops spawning inside 3.5km. Most DDs get detected inside that range with AA off. RFs can also turn and make a second attack inside that range. Therefore +2 flak bursts is even more worthless on DDs than in any other class.

Except a Haku would be able to get a 2nd and maybe even a 3rd drop, leading to a much faster kill. Deliberately skewing the scenario in your favor will get you nowhere.

That is because such options do not exist. I can't show you something that is fundamentally impossible.

The issue is in AA itself, not with any build. It's a simple yes/no scenario. If the CV player in question can dodge flak, your DPS will be insufficient to save you from getting struck regardless of your build (unless ofc the enemy squad is already heavily diminished). If the CV player in question can NOT dodge flak, regular flak bursts will do the trick. Therefore an AA build isn't needed. Thus no matter the scenario an AA build is completely unnecessary.

Likewise HE bombs won't always deal full damage. I've had plenty of drops where I got 6 hits but only 7k damage because they hit modules. With IJN accuracy you can at least avoid the turrets. I could say the same to you since you're so keen on ignoring proven facts. Given that you can't even tell the difference between average damage and effective damage tho I agree that this discussion is futile.

Well, I see you've apparently already tried putting the worst players in this game all on my team. Doesn't seem to be working thanks to your implementation of the rework tho. Don't blame me, blame the system.

I'm aware. What I meant was these were meant to be missile destroyers ingame, but got scrapped along with the missile concept. Official statement from WG during a stream.

Those were missile destroyers. They got scrapped along with the missile concept. (Although personally I suspect the missile concept turned into reworked CVs instead.)

These points are completely contradictory. You're straying straight into fantasy. If I can completely shut down the enemy CV then there is no point in playing normal CVs. If I can't sufficiently shut down the enemy CV then there is no point in playing an AS CV. There is nothing in between. And again, there is no need to test a fundamentally flawed idea. It was obvious a year ago where the rework will go, the same place where your concept of AS CVs will go. Completely to . This implies that in the rework AA skills/upgrades actually do something useful. They don't. Thus even if there were many CVs around you wouldn't want an AA build.

A "reload" only takes slightly longer than on a BB reload. Putting his DCP on cd is worthless in the face of instant damage which cannot be easily recovered, enabling your teammates to kill a ship faster than with DoT. Any cruiser is always vulnerable due to AA being worthless. A near perfect approach is almost always available due to you being able to choose your attack angle at will. When in doubt, slingshot. If anything HE DBs will be stretched more thinly precisely because you use them on a higher variety of targets. Yeah, no. That's my average damage, something entirely different. Which still lets him recover less health than if you had done your damage with HE bombs. You've just defeated your own point.

If heal isn't considered then AP bombs still come out ahead due to a faster kill time which is especially crucial on a priority target such as a pushing BB. Still, given how short the cd on both DCP and heal is it'd be foolish to not consider it, hence why HE bombs fall even further behind. Quite frankly I fail to see what my stats have to do with anything here given that effective damage isn't really shown in stats. A complete waste of RFs if DDs are still on the map and you can't secure a definite kill given that you have AP DBs.

Low tier premiums are inherently less popular. This seems to be especially true for CVs given Ark Royal's abysmal numbers. As such this would be uneconomical to say the least. Except it is. If a CV can't shut down the enemy CV while also not posessing the same striking power then there is no point in playing an AS loadout since you will shaft yourself and your team by doing so. Reworked CV play is designed purely to be a damage race, not some tactical engagment. Anything contrary to that is incompatible. Ofc, if an AS CV can actually shut down the enemy CV WHILE dealing appropriate amounts of damage then there'd be absolutely no point in playing regular CVs, making the entire rework worthless. An active fighter concept simply doesn't work in the rework as it'll either end up useless or destructive. There is no alternative because the inherent rework concept itself prevents it. Therefore no experimentation is needed. CVs are even more dead on the RU server than anywhere else.

Fires can be repaired 100%, citadel damage meanwhile only 10% for most BBs and 30% for most cruisers. Therefore AP bombs will always deal more effective damage than HE ones even if you count DoT. Shokaku can reliably citadel a variety of BBs and, more importantly, almost all cruisers, including all AA heavy ones, in her MM spread. It's just a question of drop timing. If you pick your approch correctly you can turn with your enemy and thus guarantee a hit with IJN accuracy, although this applies to HE bombs as well. There is a single DD with decent AA. It's not even that good, just decent. As such reserving all your rocket planes for anti-DD duties until they are dealt with is more than possible. Thus cycling between plane types isn't needed.

Meh, was inevitable that it would end up this way given the rework concept. Although I very much fail to see what the rework does better over the RTS iteration.

While the CVs are modeled, they'd still require extensive design and balancing work. Previous plane models meanwhile are unusable as rework aircraft are much more detailed than RTS ones. No need to test, it will inevitably end in failure because the rework is completely incompatible to any kind of meaningful opposition. This naturally includes fighters. Besides, you'd be heavily shafting your team by playing an AS CV just as you would previously for many of the same reasons.

Except no, they're not. The original topic was about what CVs perform best, not what are the most fun. Therefore posting a list of CVs you consider most fun, not most effective, becomes moot at best. @Sleepy_Bunny just made his point via contrasting @siraiaw's list of fun CVs with his own, thus demonstrating his point. It's not nitpicking, that's just the truth. Well that's just too bad, I just used Shokaku and Enterprise as the most extreme examples. Saipan and Lexington will also heavily outperform a GZ. Thus there are only 2 out of 6 you actually have a "good" match up against in a GZ. And by "good" that means your performance is going to be equally anemic in comparison to the others. So what's it going to be? Quit playing GZ on the basis that it severely shafts your team or abandon your narrative and go purely "play for fun"?

Except that wasn't his point. His point is that fun is subjective, therefore a list based on fun is really only useful for the guy who makes the list. Also you're severely shafting your team by picking a GZ because the enemy could get a Shokaku or Enterprise, both of which can decide the match by default based on that match up alone. Frankly your narrative doesn't hold up.

I'm well aware. Doesn't make much sense to invest into new CVs anyway given that their population is down the drain.

Oh look, a lone Monty. Maybe I can finally get a decent strike in this match full of no fly zones. "aA iS sTrOnGeR iN tHe rEwOrK!!!1111" Oh and while we're at it: "bAd cVs aRe mOrE UsEfUl iN tHe rEwOrK!!!11"

Following situation: - Lyon is a coward who has done nothing but camp behind islands all match and somehow still lost all his HP - Anshan is a complete who has sailed for 10 minutes inside the enemy spawn trying to find the CV and about to take the fairly healthy Mogami head on in a direct gunfight - Tirpitz is fairly low and going for a last push into C Looks like a loss, right? Praised be the rework.