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Translation: We hope that you are all too terrible at target prediction.

The two aspects are entirely separate points. But don't worry, according to publicly available data the rework hasn't actually managed to significantly increase the CV population either, so it's a failure either way.

If you have any trust left in WG and/or the game that's your own fault quite frankly.

Fighters are still used to spot. Baiting is not necessary because DFAA is worthless anyway. And CVs can still easily shut down flanks by themselves. While hitting you with a simultaneous cross drop is no longer possible, I can very much just do a sequential one which is likewise unavoidable. And regardless of whether you're talking about it, the timespan does matter. Getting not attacked for a while then instantly nuked means you died in the same time as when a CV was just constantly attacking you. It isn't actually better. In fact it's worse since getting constantly harassed means your gameplay is being constantly interrupted, while getting instantly nuked meant that you could act freely in the time before getting killed. Balti actually has terrible AA. And yes, we do need to reconsider what is good AA and what isn't. Because it all depends on the skill of the enemy CV player since AA doesn't actually affect skilled and terrible players the same way. If the enemy CV player is a potato, he will eat flak and die instantly. If he is skilled, your AA is basically just a token defense and won't prevent you from getting killed even if you group up. Flak has basically replaced fighters as a skill check, the outcome is little different compared to before. Whereas bad CV players would previously lose all their planes to fighters, they now just do it to flak. This is naturally broken and utterly unfair to the surface ship player since their skill plays no part in the equation. Why tell when I can show you? 6 fighters, 1 DB, 6 TBs lost to enemy Hiryu fighters. Took me the majority of the match to actually deplane him. Though to be fair this guy wasn't exactly bad, but on the other hand this is quite typical since you're gonna need to cycle planes even against bad CV players eventually either due to losses or ammo. After all a 3 plane fighter squad will lose against a 5 plane one even with strafing and fighters can't do anything without ammo. And quite frankly if you honestly believe that the rework has fixed the skill gap and its potential impact on the match by simply removing controllable fighters, then I'm sorry to disappoint you but statistically the skill gap has actually increased. Skilled CV players pull roughly the same numbers as before, useless CV players meanwhile have managed to become even more useless.

Lustig. Wie soll das denn bitte gehen wenn dein eigener Skill in einer solchen Interaktion absolut keine Rolle spielt?

In fact, since you probably will not believe me, allow me to prove it to you: From this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSiAuHqrS4 We can see that Balti had a minimum air detectability of 7.2km. From these couple of screenshots I took real quick in the CN client: We can see that the US 5"/38 guns had a minimum range of 5km. This was unified across the board just as it is now. We can also see that AFT provides a +20% range bonus as does the AA range upgrade. With both you were able to boost your AA to 7.2km - exactly the same range as your air concealment. And again, your long range AA was far more effective than it could ever hope to be now. Right now Baltimore has a long range DPS value of 108.5. This is slightly weaker than the AA of a stock Orion. So compared to RTS you lost both effectiveness and a gigantic chunk of range with your AA for absolutely no gain. Congrats.

That is a blatant lie. Stealth AA was a thing and it was very potent. Ships could thus deny aircraft spotting if positioned well. You do realize a successful bait inherently implies that you're misplaying? And if you just didn't let yourself get baited you'd have DFAA available for the incoming strike AND the enemy CV would have lost planes for nothing? Which didn't work against AA ships. Something that is one of the most criticized aspects of the rework. CVs not only no longer fight each other, they're actively discouraged from doing so. No other class does this, making reworked CVs a griefing class. They also had a 3-4 mins reload. At the end of the day reworked CVs deal the same or more damage in the same timespan due to a far faster RoF. Stacking DoT is much easier now than it was back then. Flooding rework was a response to reworked CVs, not part of it. It also wasn't without its detriments given that DDs and cruisers got hit by that far harder than CVs. Same as during RTS. Except during RTS Balti AA was far better.

Jo hi. Man kann nichts gegen CVs machen. Was letztendlich passiert hängt allein vom skill des CV Spielers ab. Tschau.

To quote Flamu from a few years back:

So now that you have scrubbed his name, I can tell you that I have about the same average damage in the Wyoming as him in the Enterprise. Whoever expects such a player to top the scoreboard when you have a div from one of the best clans in EU on your team is delusional. That said, I also fail to see how this has any relevance for the very same reason.

Which is supposed to be a surprise how exactly? Since you know, we can look up the stats of said CV player as you failed to hide his name in the previous post.

A T10 German CV with HE rockets and HE bombs. My guess is that it was supposed to be a testing bed for if the AP rocket + AP bomb combination did not work out.

CVs in general are laughably more powerful than Smolensk.

Ah yes, I can't wait to see the amount of imbeciles that will inevitably throw matches because they want to use their 2ndaries in their CVs.

I agree. 80-85% solo WR is not good enough. Should be 99% WR. I do. He's right.

Also GZ AP bombs getting nerfed the hardest. WG's CV balancing attempts are a joke as always. How about you go and git gud instead? Since, you know, the general consensus among skilled CV players is that they're broken and do not belong in the game as they are.

Just use balans to fight balans.

Massachusetts has the best AA kit overall at T8 via combination of DPS, catapult fighter and fast heal cd.

Fuso is "accurate" because she fires a lot of shells, giving her a decent chance to hit something. Not because her accuracy parameters are particularly good. Has always been that way. Or in other words, quantity has a quality of its own.

Kurze Warnung, laut inoffiziellen statements von Leuten, die die Dinger testen durften, sind die komplett nutzlos.

Natürlich. Das steht gar nicht zur Frage. Man kann in CVs durchaus versagen und man muss tatsächlich gut mit denen werden, um etwas zu erreichen. Ob das jetzt einfach für jemanden ist oder nicht ist komplett subjektiv und lässt sich mit anderen Schiffsklassen überhaupt nicht vergleichen da CVs weiterhin ein komplett anderes skillset benötigen, man kann also extrem wenig bis gar nichts transferieren. Dennoch gibt es wie gesagt objektiv keinen counter gegen CVs, da allein der skill des CV Spielers entscheidet ob man drauf geht oder nicht. Du kannst bspw. der unicum der unicums in einem Kreuzer sein, das hilft dir absolut gar nicht wenn 'n gescheiter CV mit AP Bomben angeflogen kommt. Ach und T8 CVs sind, abgesehen von T4, die stärksten CVs tier for tier. Wenn sich 'ne Saipan, Lexington, Shokaku oder gar 'ne Enterprise in einem T6 match findet dann ist das sogar teils noch unfairer als das, was unten im low tier abgeht. Und natürlich machen die alle auch in T10 eine sehr gute Figur. Na gut, Lexington vielleicht etwas weniger, da ihre Bomben nicht genug penetration haben. Der Rest hat aber absolut kein Problem, ein T10 match zu dominieren, sofern man genug skill hat.

I can make Langley work, too.

Hosho. Because balans.