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No way tier 8 imo. Definitely tier 9. It carries the exact same torpedoes as Kagero, but half of them, and her guns are easily competitive with Fletcher's. Her guns are already implemented on Zao and Hakuryu and have 1700 HE damage with 20 rpm and 8 barrels. This is way too scary for a T8 ship, sorry! The guns also have the highest shell velocity of any ship in the game.

Dunno, maybe they figured she's slightly weak for tier 7. Myoko kicks out way more broadside/Shellpm at the same tier, and that's what people seem to be mostly comparing nowadays. I mean, I think with the right stats, she is tier 7, not tier 6. But I think she'd rather work at tier 6 than 8.

Well, think about it. They can't nerf the armor or the broadside, so the worst they can do is give her a 3.x rate of fire, which is still powerful at her tier. I'm not worried and eagerly await the ship. I think that's not the ship's fault. When I played through Furutaka post-buff I got 71% WR. I think people can't appreciate her strengths and play her like a Kuma. She's not the easiest ship to play, but the guns are really powerful in-tier, and the torp range is great.

I hope you guys realize that a 16 point captain is a very powerful reward and if you expect to get it for doing very little work then sorry but you're crazy. 10m damage @ 50k average is 200 games @ 3-4 per day for two months. I think it's fair.

Well, if we're discussing slight alterations to make tiers more interesting, we could also swap Hatsuharu out for Shiratsuyu and get 2 torps more.

If you see the DPM as strictly theoretical DPM, then yes. But practical DPM is different. Effective HE damage is a flat percentage of the maximum HE damage based on the armor thickness you hit, but AP damage is heavily dependant on penetration, and the 20.3 guns have much better penetration. The slower turret traverse probably also gives the 15.5 some missed shots. What the dev probably did is cook up a statistic that divides average damage done by the ship by the average time the ship spends in battle, once for 15.5 and once for 20.3. That's also "DPM" and it comes with the unit damage over time. It's just a statistical measure of it and not a theoretical one like you did. It's completely plausible to me that, inside the game, the 20.3 guns have roughly the same empirical DPM as the 15.5 guns. Players love comparing theoretical DPM values but not everyone has to share their vocabulary.

Theoretical values aren't proof of anything.

[edited] Vuk, don't close this topic when you read their nonsense, just move the crap elsewhere and ban their asses.

lol 16 skill Hiei. Also, nice event, thanks. Looks pretty good to me? The Asian servers has worse rewards imo. I don't know about NA.

Dunno, what I want is RL Maya 1944. I have no idea why Atago even exists when it's just a Takao and they could have given us a really amazing Maya premium at T7.

Never let it be said that WG doesn't think about their foreign customers. Our welfare is on their minds all the time.

I'm not a fan of KGV either because the catapult breaks up the superstructure and leads to a weird emptiness between the funnels, but it looks better than Rodney. And I agree with Sonic, if the stern had been longer, she would have looked better.

I think the chiseled superstructure looks very nice too, but I can't deal with her lines. She just looks like a fat bowling pin that someone knocked over to me and now it's floating on the ocean; there's no elegance in her proportions. And it's not (only) because the armament is all forward because I think the Tones look good.

Yes, Aoba is buffed to kingdom come. Historical stats would be unplayable at T6. Honestly, if they do a good job with Tone, it's basically a shoe-in purchase for me... Japanese premium carrier in 2017 makes me sad, very sad. But at least they have Akagi and Kaga on the radar and might make a stub branch for them.

The dev implied that Deutschland is the "hard to place" ship and that there's a battleship and a cruiser outside it.

Otherwise, I mean: the battleship is probably something low-tier because they could also just tell Derptitz again. Hard to guess. Cruiser is also hard to guess. I'm having a fair bit of trouble thinking of a mid-tier premium cruiser.

Yorck has to go in a straight line for a while to use its relatively poor top speed of 32kt and she doesn't retain it very well in turns. The Deutschlands are still worse, but the real problem with the Yorcks is their 14km detection range coupled with the horrible ballistics. Getting citadels with Yorck is not easy and the HE is poor. If Deutschland gets <12 km detection range then I think it can be competitive with a Yorck. Not with a Myoko though. I think the ship could be usefully played as a support ship for your own battleships or as an ambusher of other cruisers. It really depends on the detection range in my opinion.

They have almost the same armor as Yorck and the same things happen to Yorcks all the time. With good concealment and good traverse I don't see why they wouldn't fit at T7. I think they're way too strong at T6, but it might work there too. The ship is horribly slow, but if you pick your battles, you should be competitive.

I'm not sure. Their AP damage would probably be around 8500 and with a projected 3 RPM @ 6 guns it gives 153k mDPM. A hypothetical 4500 dmg, 9 gun, 4 RPM cruiser (a wild mix of Japanese and American characteristics) would reach 162k mDPM, it would move faster and have roughly the same armor. The Deutschlands would have much better penetration than the others, would be better at maneuvering between shots (because the delay is longer) and the tubes have decent angles even though they're all the way in the back. But the turrets can only fire 45° in the opposite direction, and so the ships have to show a significant profile to fire. I never understood why people think the Deutschlands are impossible to balance. They make good T7 material if the soft stats are properly tweaked.

Dunno. I mean, yes, the ship is very different from the heavy cruisers later. But compared to ships in its own tier, I think the gameplay is kind of similar. You get a squishy ship with all right guns, good concealment and torpedoes. I don't think it's a completely different experience.

All four Japanese lines are considered competitive at most tiers. You have to decide based on which playstyle you like most. Since you'll tier up very quickly early on, I'd just play everything to tier 4-5 and decide then. You get a good sense of what the battleships are like with the Kongo at 5, cruisers with Kuma at 4, destroyers with Isokaze at 4.

What does that have to do with your statement that it's only a mild improvement over the Myoko?

Akizuki Kaga & Akagi South Dakota Littorio In that order. Thank you for having these historic and renowned ships so prominently in your poll. Screw German BBs. SMS ships were all pretty ugly, and while the Nazi designs were pretty, they all shared the same proportions and lines from Hipper through Scharnhorst up to Bismarck and the H-clones. Own one and you own them all.

From 13.1 to 11.9 before the concealment module is still extremely powerful and only made even more powerful by it. I'm not sure you understand how it's played if you don't recognize how strong this is.

lol. + concealment upgrade + heal These two alone make it far superior to any Myoko. Also the base concealment is like 11.9 already, which is pretty wtf.