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  1. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    Sure German ships were sunk and Germany lost the war, but let's not stoop to the level of kindergarden arguments such as "they lost the war so all their stuff must of have been bad/worse" now shall we ? The historical perspective I'm talking about is that of capability and performance, and here the German ships showed themselves among the best, hence the importance of their destruction even at the latter stages of the war. The Allies knew what these vessels were capable of and thus spared no expense at hunting them down, but as it turned out it would cost them an equal amount of pain to achieve that.
  2. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    1. Again no mention of gun dispersion, they are talking about groupings and how unusually tight they were - i.e. they were suprised why the Japanese would deliberately shoot such tight groups as it only deteriorated their chances of quickly getting a proper firing solution. Also I read the entire USN report, not a single mention of the guns or FCS being unusually accurate, the dispersion reduction equipment mentioned was an auxilliary FCS feature, one German, US & British battleships didn't need as it was an integrated feature in their ballistics computers - hence no importance is really given to it. 2. Some things is not all things, but it was typical for the time. 3. Functions exactly the same in terms of end result, there is litterally no difference as both ensures accurate fire during maneuvers as controlled by the main ballistics computer, something the German ships demonstrated again and again. In other words "Höhenfernstuerung mit Seitenvorzündwerk", as it was called, is full RPC with a small modification, one that probably increased accuracy due to its setup. The Germans did after-all examine the full RPC on the French ships (which was identical to the US system) and found their own system more accurate.
  3. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    No, it's a game and in games numbers are what counts, games are after all built on numbers - and the numbers for the Germans ships ingame are very clearly awful, esp. from a historical perspective.
  4. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    That would just make WG's choice even more bizarre considering that according to all available gunnery trials German guns such as the 28cm SK C/34 on the Scharnhorst class had a tighter dispersion than any of the Allied BB guns for example.
  5. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    They are giving it as a useless plaster to hide the fact that they made it aweful as an actual battleship, just as they gave the Tirpitz is useless 6 km torpedoes.
  6. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    1. No, they were talking specifically about groupings and how tightly they packed them, i.e. the firing doctrine, not gun dispersion, had they been talking about dispersion they would've specifically mentioned it but they didn't (!) And no the USN didn't directly compare any BB, infact they never trialled a single BB or Cruiser in gunnery or sensors after the war. What they did do (most of the time at least) was take a close look at the equipment, often taking it apart to see how exactly it functioned, and then they would compare in theory. A great example is the Prinz Eugen which was captured completely intact with most of the latest German naval tech onboard, not once was her FCS or sensors trialled by the USN, which was made all the more stupid considering that whilst in transit for the US the German crew had demonstrated her FCS in a small gunnery competition where she straddled, hit and destroyed a dummy target before either of the accompanying US Cruisers had managed to even straddle it yet. 2. Yes the Germans had full RPC (elevation & bearing), it was called "Seitenvorzündwerk", and both Bismarck & Prinze Eugen used it to straddle and hit Prince of Wales repeatedly whilst they were themselves maneuvering hard to avoid a percieved torpedo threat. The British & Japanese on the other hand didn't have this, only the Germans & US had full RPC. Nevertheless when I was talking about automation I was talking about the FCS as a whole where the German was even more automated than the American one - again something along with advanced gunnery radar & RPC you won't find mentioned in any of the outdated books & website out there as much of it wasn't known until about 5 years ago, and new stuff is coming up all the time as more and more old documents are dug up by historians in the many new achives opened.
  7. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    Edit, quotes screwed up post
  8. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    Problem is it does misrepresent history, and the USN reports only goes to further prove that fact. The Japanese had good optics alright (their optics industry was built under German supervision after all), but their FCS was lacking compared to the others in many ways, however even more importantly their firing doctrine was downright ineffective. By comparison the Germans had even better optics (multi coated etc.), the most automated FCS & FC radar (the latter being matched by the US) and a better firing doctrine to boot. Hence why in actual combat the German & US BBs showcased the highest accuracy, because they in general had better equipment & doctrine to quickly establish range & bearing and ensure early hits. That is history, and history should at least be somewhat represented ingame as well.
  9. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    You've misunderstood what was said, what's being addressed is firing doctrine, not accuracy. Pretty much every battleship of the war was capable of delivering very tight groupings, however when in combat you would deliberately shoot wide groups in ladders in order to achieve a straddle sooner and then more quickly zero in on the target. The Japanese quite simply had a poor firing doctrine when it came to ensuring early straddles and zero'ing in on their target, i.e. packing their groups too tightly before having a precise bearing & range, and as a result all too often never got an accurate solution on their target. Infact just for comparison's sake I can tell you that the Scharnhorst & Gneisenau had a full salvo spread of a mere 80m in diameter at 28 km range, however had they fired such tight groupings when trying to zero in on a target in combat they likely wouldn't have hit much. So no Japanase guns were not inherently any more accurate than everyone elses, which would've been a bit strange as well considering their guns were quite conventional in design. In short: No it's not just my personal view of history.
  10. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    Well the former is a bit of a weird way to balance things considering how that works in reality, and also esp. considering that only the Japanese & Russians weren't using radar for rangefinding during WW2
  11. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    Haha, trust me I am no conpiracy theorist, moon landings, Area 51, alien ancestry etc., not a subscriber ;-) However that aside if you honestly believe that there is no bias present in videogames these days then while you might not be wearing a tinfoil hat you're certainly wearing some mighty impressive rose coloured glasses! Trust me there is bias, and loads of it, esp. in this type of franchise and esp. in games from the east due to the political environment over there. As to your theory that such bias would be bad for business, this is also incorrect as in the west there are actually as many people who are fans of Soviet made equipment as there are those who are fans of US, German or British equipment, and that mainly because in the west we aren't brought up with the same form of patriotism. In the east however things are abit different, and that due to what people are taught throughout their upbringing there. Might surprise (& hopefully disturb) you to know that Stalin is still seen as a great hero and person in Russia, same for Mao in China - it's all taught in school. Now finally as for how I would've balanced the factions? I'd have followed a general rule along these lines in order to at least somewhat respect the historical trends where it really showed (numbered in terms of strength relative to each other): Artillery Range: USA (10) GER (9) GB (8) JP (7) Accuracy: GER (10) USA (9) GB (8) JP (7) AP penetration: USA (10) JP (9) GER (8) GB (8) AP dmg: JP (10) USA (9) GER (8) GB (8) HE fire %: JP (10) GB (9) GER (8) USA (7) HE dmg: JP (10) GB (9) GER (8) USA (8) _____________ Secondaries: GER (10) JP (10) GB (8) USA (7) AA: USA (10) GB (10) GER (8) JP (7) Protection Citadel: USA (10) JP (9) GER (8) GB (8) Hull & Superstr: GER (10) JP (9) GB (8) USA (7) Torpedo protection: GER (10) JP (9) GB (8) USA (7) Maneuverability: GB (10) JP (9) GER (7) USA (7) Concealment: JP (10) GB (9) GER (7) USA (6)
  12. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    I didn't say that either.... I said people don't play BBs to be constantly hit without being able to effectively respond. Remember the ridiculous dispersion patterns in this game makes it so that even at close ranges BBs still miss a whole heck of a lot of shots, thus the dispersion is important at ALL ranges. There's a VERY good reason both the Kawachi and initially also the Colorado had such bad reputations = their horrible accuracy. This was the SOLE reason people hated playing them, myself included. And please let's not kid ourselves and think WG doesn't know that perfectly well, they know consistent accuracy = fun, hence why the German & American ships generally aren't accurate ingame. Also to those who keep talking about "boring long range sniping or base campers" I don't fancy long range sniping myself, I find the best ranges to be around 12-15 km, but the ability to also be accurate at long range shouldn't be the worst for the ships which historically displayed the best accuracy, that's just wrong and a slap in the face of history. It litterally makes no sense to balance things the way WG did - or perhaps I should say it doesn't make sense to those of us without any national agenda. No it's becoming pretty clear what this whole WG franchise is all about...
  13. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    People play BB's to shoot & dish out hurt with those big guns, that's litterally what BBs are all about, i.e. making each salvo count in the hopes of those satisfying citadel hits. People don't play BBs in the hopes of getting shot to ribbons without being able to effectively respond as they watch most of their own salvoes land hopelessly all around the target despite careful aiming on their part - to 99% of people that's not fun at all. The most disturbing part is how historical strengths are so misrepresented ingame as to become the complete reverse of reality however, esp. since the real ones would've lend for some much more interesting game balancing. Hence I've always said that either you try to respect the historical trends as much as possible or you simply even the playingfield in the core part of each class's gameplay, and for BB's that's the gunnery. Anything else really is a serious disservice to everyone out there with a love for history, not the least those who are just getting into it.
  14. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    No reason to muddy things with feelings, numbers don't lie, either dispersion is high or it is low, same goes for the magical "sigma" stat which the Warspite enjoys so much success with. Finally we play BBs to get enjoyable gunplay, not to shoot torpedoes or watch our secondaries auto attack. Hence why the Russian ships are so gun focused, it's the funnest part of the game and WG knows that perfectly well.
  15. KMS_Tirpitz

    German BBs+ tier 6 premium French BB Dunkerque stats in 0.5.9

    Never judge a book by its cover. You'll see I care as much about the other ships as I do the German ones. I would've liked to see them & US ships better represented according to their historical strengths, which they are decidedly not. This had been my point of focus from the start.
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