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Duca D'Aosta.....What a pile. Played one game in it and that was enough. Another mothball ship. God it's bad. Sooooo many better cruisers to pick (like the Buddy for a start). Amour: Bad Turret turn for a light cruiser: Bad HE: Bad Fire chance: Bad HP: Bad AP pen: Bad A whole lot of bad. Fast, agile, flat arc with long range but slow torps don't come close to weigh this up. I really wouldn't buy this.

This ^^^ First coal ship then you simply can go wrong with the Jean. Smol 2nd as it's easy to spam HE in smoke and kill DD's. Thunder good but still last as it's unforgiving if you cant aim and make use of 8 guns. That and it's brittle and without zombie heal. Still a good balanced ship. Go with the Jean mate.

Just seen an Atlanta get owned by a Enterprise. It's got to the point where I don't even bat an eyelid, where the rest of my clans mates flame. It's now apart of the game were AA cruisers are useless. Oh and just seen rockets strip something like 7k off a DD. He wasn't happy as he was at least trying to grab some caps (the rest cowered in fear).

Sums it up nicely. Same old too, 2 dead DD's first with German BBs sniping...It's a huge mess. "If you don't have DD's, to win the game is really really hard". He's completely right. This is the level this game is now at. It's real. But WG will do nothing at all. These thread will keep on coming up and more frequent because people are getting tied of it.

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@Grouchy_Canuck glad to hear it mate. Not seen you on TS for what seems like ages, but the time difference can be a pain. Missed you yesterday with the league games.

Don't blame you, you get ALOT of over-pens from heavy shells. It better to sit pure broadside against a Krem or Yam and take and hit (then you torp the hell out of it) The only ship i find that loves to hit it's cit is the Grad more often than not. Must be the perfect AP pen arm to armour. You also get the same results against the MIno too to be honest. Will upload the shot I took later

The Smol........ When played by a good player it's extremely strong if not too much. It still does well with casual players but it's dodgy and unforgiving slightly. Those that understand the ship more then just a sit in smoke and spam HE kinda ship. It's one of the best Div ships you can get. It's also one of the best DD support ships there is. You have a Div mate with a DD (daring will do) and this thing then their isn't any cap you cant get. No DD you cant sink. But you have to understand the game, it's concealment, it's location and the enemy radar ect...You get that and it's deadly. Know your distances and use the mini map lines. After that then it's free to rack up some serious fire damage on anything brave enough to push, from your smoke. Intital battle everyone is spotted so it's easy to find targets. Fire in volleys to help people blind firing against you and rack up fires. 16 fires per match is not unheard off. I have once set fires to 4 ships at the same time, all burning nicely. After that then move to the flanks and be a complete pest. Make them try and shoot you whilst your WASD in a tiny ship. It's the fear factor in this ship chaps. No one wants to be on fire all the time, even though the most seasoned players know that it's a means to an end when you push. But casual players don't wanna push that, with it having torps doesn't make it easy too (plenty BB's rush me and all three of them dead to torps). You can one vs one against a zao and win, easy. You can destroy a mino head-on (angle and watch those AP bounce). You can burn down every BB on the map. But......That's when you have a good captain behind the wheel, and we all know that isnt the case the majority of the time. Only yesterday I blapped one from full health with the Grad. I find this the perfect ship to wack it with. It's doesn't overpen like most BB which is another point. It's troll armour So saying all this, I hate what it is and the HE it spams. it's very bad for the game. but It's fun to play to me because i'm zooming all around the map, but not fun to play against. It's every low HP and possible one-shot-and-dead keeps it from being Grad OP.

But if i even thought slightly about re-doing the lines, the Ohio would be the one to be honest.

WG: "They are using up all their free XP"

Because there is a massive problem that will never vanish. The only thing that can take the heat of the mess of the rework will be the mess of the subs. Something I am not against by-the-way, but if i am still around by then i have no doubt they will completely and utterly screw it up.

And your bob on right. However, some people will never, never and never listen and understand that so here we are.

Veslingr, i knew i remember that name. Oh god so a re-roll account. Old RST best ever average damage player: haxtesy 368 2 666 64.13% 1.87 6 187 393 419 969 2 378 4 608 23.32 57 Best average damage rework player: [-RT-] Maaseru 81 4 681 87.65% 2.7 7 248 232 443 947 4 011 6 292 6.56 43 Dear god in heaven, that's like 60,000 more damage. And whats more funny is look at that WR too? So do we think WG solved the problem of rework CV's doing less damage and being less of an impact? They literally solved nothing with the rework, which ever way you spin it. The only thing they increased was the only thing they were ever interested in MONEY£££££££££ and i don't even know if they accomplished that as they are bringing Subs out before the rework is even completed. That ladies and gents is a sign of bad money spreadsheets, trust me. It means that more people are capable of doing more damage, with less games to practise and P****** everyone else off more then they have ever been, ever, both sides. Hence all the hate. Hence all the old good decent players leaving the game and hence why there has been so many negive things on this forum. The HE spam has just added onto the boiling pot of WG's making. Completely possible, as long range flack is easy to avoid.

^^^ Bingo

Both are flawed. Sometimes you have to prove a point. They can also help in establishing someones motives, which are many this forum as it's often to do with keeping ones train set. I am only concerned on some sort of balance in this game which is so wayward it's currently comical. I have no goal to keep anything strong or support any class of ship line, old or new. I call a spade and spade. And right now in this game, these CV's are just making more peoples game experience worse than it was before. So on a fundamentally basic level, being able to do multiple drops on AA ships (like a Des or Atlata) with 2 runs of AP bombs is wrong. Regardless of what you say of the RTS, you couldn't back then and thing like that make a massive difference to the mentality of players. No wonder why people are pulling more and more damage out their behinds and those new CV players are loving it. I mean, whats not to like if your WR and damage is going up? But that doesnt make it right and it's causing all this hate.

So are you an average player? Because your rework Midway has better stats then your old? Oh, ok lets use you as an example, hope you don't mind you can use mine by all means: 108 Furious 6 U.K. 18 66.67% 2 109 59 202 1.5 6.78 Details 114 Ark Royal 6 U.K. 14 64.29% 1 364 54 335 0.64 4.57 Details Against your old RST: Ryujo (<30.01.2019) 6 Japan 131 44.27% 641 28 278 0.4 13.1 Details Independence (<30.01.2019) 6 U.S.A. 63 46.03% 1 263 36 929 0.6 14.05 Details Humm. Lets go for tier 4 shall we: Hōshō 4 Japan 3 66.67% 3 371 64 530 1.67 5.33 Details Against your old RTS: Hosho (<30.01.2019) 4 Japan 24 58.33% 1 522 45 247 1.21 7.08 Details Humm. So... Your a perfect example of the nature of the easier gameplay of CV's and the damage they can do now compared to the old RST of old and have embraced it. Only now BOTH sides are hating CV's, not just one as you have NO opposite counter and nothing to stop the onslaught of 4 CV's damage farming (unlike fighters of old use to). Again, i hope you don't mind but it sums it up rather nicely.

No worries what-so-ever, they are well below poor to be honest. However... I played the CV rework when the AA was simply monstrous buffed. You know, that crazy patch when it was all new. As you can quite clearly see, I had very few games in the rework ones and nearly all were in that period before i sold them all. Many crazy changes have been made since and here we are now a year later. It was also at a time when it was all new, everything about. All my games in the rework accounted for under 50 games across the tiers in Cv's, I mean only 2 games in the Kaga since before i sold it. He was my go at the Hosh to see it for myself 1 week ago, only 2 games needed: 148 Hōshō 4 Japan 2 50% 2 190 48 300 1 0.5 Details Hummm. How about this one then, here is great example: I was a good RST CV player i would like to think. I tried very hard to get good which account for what? 5% of all CV players. I did a lot of training, watching CV streamers and listening to players that have long since gone, how to get better. This is what i could achieve in the Haka: 2 Hakuryu (<30.01.2019) 10 Japan 26 57.69% 1 413 94 093 1.54 25.08 Details Not to be sniffed at ay? Now look at the rework and this chap: Hakuryū 10 Japan 28 60.71% 3 083 173 901 2.11 9.21 Details Nearly 80,000 more average damage that i could achieve in a so called strong RST. That's the current state of the AA for you. It's simple and everyone knows it. You could stop planes back then in a Des, you can't now. Damage was always going to go up, a blind man could see it. I'm sure that @El2aZeR wont mind using his name, but he has increased his average damage in every CV since RTS. Not to blow smoke up the hoop but he is probably the best CV i personally know on this forum. A guy called Farazelleth (OMNI) was probably the best i've faced off against and it wasn't a push over game too, quite close. Another chap that no longer players CV's, such a shame. So if he is increasing his damage and WR then you know things have gone a little mad regarding CV's. So what i am trying to say is more people are pulling big numbers out of this rework then the old RST guys, even the top 2% ever could. If i had the same skills now as i did the old RTS, I would be ever better in CV's with higher WR's and higher damage. I just honestly found the whole CV thing now completely boring, devoid of all tactics and the AA was simply too much when the rework hit with that patch. But I understand that some people do find them fun, but that is not the issue if it's fun or not, it's the strength of them now.

Try it and thank me later. 3,000 max damage, it murders Fiji's.

@ForlornSailor and @DFens_666 don't go there with him. Hakuryū 10 Japan 28 60.71% 3 083 173 901 2.11 9.21 Details 2 Midway 10 U.S.A. 102 63.73% 3 280 160 440 1.85 7.51 Details 4 Enterprise 8 U.S.A. 93 83.87% 3 384 127 957 2.13 9.78 Details Audacious 10 U.K. 14 42.86% 1 580 119 698 1.21 7.57 Details 6 Shōkaku 8 Japan 32 68.75% 3 336 119 264 1.78 10.44 Details He's is a die-hard rework CV player currently spanking the hell out of everything. He will argue black is white to carry that trend on. People like this don't give a stuff about the game or balance, just their own ego and winning.

look...You believe what you want to believe and i'll crack on He didn't ask about tiers but are they worth it when you have similar ships i.e the Massa and the Ohio, not including other silver ships. So your looking at a tier above and a tier below. And IMHO It's not worth the Georgia if you can get the either the Ohio or Massa as they are both IMHO are stronger, one is a tier above, one below.

Some of the best accurate stuff I have read for a long time. Harsh but fair. He/she is spot on and EVERYONE should read this, regardless of your feelings. OP, it sums it up nicely.

@Allied_Winter as a moderator, you have to except that one will always lead to the other. He is asking why, and we are explaining it to him honestly. You can not separate the two. You also have to except that many see that "CV discussion" as nothing more than a trash bin, there to stop threads like this appearing too much as It doesn't show a great corporate image does it? If it gets out of control then fine, but right now it's harmless.

Apologises but i simply stopped reading there because it's BS. Sorry if that sounds harsh. When i'm getting dropped with AP Haka (or tier 8 Enterprise for that matter) bombs that strip 1/2 my health off with 2 salvos drops. All whilst i'm running full AA spec with defensive AA running with mods and captain skills and sector, you know something is wrong, really wrong. You dropped AP bombs on the Mino? Nasty and you ALWAYS get the drop. Been there, done that. Unlike as before (RTS) when a fully AA spec Des would SHRED planes. People like to know that their captains skills they pick make a difference, they currently don't. but of course, you know that.

Long story short: CV rework is hated by most. And as such, CV captains are getting the brunt of it. They are classed as too strong with broken AA mechanics, people don't like being droped on with or without AA. Add the fact that WG has said they are finished with tweaking them has added fuel to the fire as they are far far far from being balanced and fixed. it's a selfish ship that more often then not focus on damage farming. For the first time, either side likes CV's, neither friend or foe. Then you have CV's like the OP Enterprise and tier 4 seal clubber Hosh which just adds to the pot of hate You simply have to get used to it mate IMHO. It isnt going to ease up. Oh you will have people say this and that, normally those that are currently mopping the floor with them with increased WR's but generally, they are hated. Just the way it is. People don't like getting hit by things they cant stop. People also remember the old RTS and expect to stop planes stone dead when AA spec and they cant anymore without blobbing into like 3-4 ships. So you also have old RST players unhappy with the way things turned out. Don't let any of that stop you playing them though, it's your time. But you have to understand and expect why you are hated by most, read this forum might give you a good idea.

Yeah, 2 more guns for a start. That's the different to hurting to wiping a target out. Oh and things like a 22,000 HP difference and more DPM to mention a few more? If i can out fight a Georgia in a tier 8 Massa then you don't have much to fear. Yes it's a flanker, but people play them as brawlers and they get mashed. It also has to show broadside to only get 2 more guns on the target as it has the cit as the Iowa. It cant bow-tank with 4 guns only showing and if it pushes too hard, gets focused and it only had US armour. But it's a good ship no doubt, I simply don't think it's worth the coal when you can get the Ohio (technically free), Kurf (free) or Massa (tier 8 price). People will find the 6 guns frustrating. The Jean is a better more solid pick for a first coal ship. And hitting a Des on the Bow with HE with reload booster from the Jean hurts. Thats just the player not knowing which ammo to pick, but if you get the Des broadside? It's toast x 2. The Jean is such an easy ship to play and user friendly. Like the Hindy of old.