Redcap375

It's enjoyable for you because your spanking things in a OP class of ship. 700 games in the Midway alone? So that is 700 games that someone else hasn't enjoyed the game. I have no doubt that you love playing the rework CV's in some form, but I question your overarching motivation. Apologises if that sounds harsh, but i felt compelled to say it mate. I do respect your opinion though. Anyway, I enjoy the social clan aspect of the game. If it wasn't for that then there is no way I would play solo single randoms. 4 years ago? Sure...Now? Not a chance. Means more HoI4, SC and CK2

Nice pick and you have listed 2 of my Fav ships. Love them both. Mass for now but Alaska will serve you well in the future. Like someone has already said, you need a dedicated captain with alot of skill points to get the most out of it. You have a tier 8 that does well when up-tiered (due to it's quick heal), unlike some ships so that is a bonus.

Sometimes you cant do anything against HE spam, simple as that. Sure we can sit back in our chairs and say "kite, run, disengage" and things like that, but sometimes you simply cant, not without really handicapping the game as kiting and running BB's don't win games. They lose them more. All, Is that how we want this game to roll? HE spam everywhere with BB's just running for the hills every game? To call 5 of them incompetent might be a little too harsh. But yeah 3-4 of them could be and that is the problem. We have ALOT of incompetent players and hence why ships like the Smol will always shine. The Smol is strong as it is and when sailed by competent players it's OP. That is due to it's long range firing spamming capabilities, torps and smoke for laughs. All you need is ONE spotter and your good to go and happy set fire to anything. WASD and laugh as BB's are trying to hit you at 16km plus. Support a DD? Fine, you will murder anything your friendly DD comes across. Cruisers? Simple out DPM them from range or AP the living hell out of them up close. BB's? Burn them like a BBQ. They charge your smoke? Torp the living hell out of them. CV's? Well, any good CV will always get through ANY AA in this game, but it's still good against crap/lower tier CV players. As for Smol players? Incompetent/lack of game knowledge captains is the only thing that is keeping this ship back behind Grad level stats. Example: One of our own clan mates had a 19 point captain and not one of his skills had range of his guns and wondered why he was doing bad in it. He didn't have either AFT or Range mod, none. He is a good lad but not the best player and players like this now have access to the Smol. People that can't use smoke correctly, know the map, Know enemy ship capabilities or lead targets will always do bad in anything, the Smol is no different. Because of it's low HP and it's habit of being deleted quickly if played really poorly, is the only thing holding this ship back. And i have seen players play really bad in a Smol, just like the Belfast and Grad. Muppets will wreck even the most OP ships in any game. But if you play this ship to it's strengths, like the Belfast and BlanceGrad, then your starting the game in a superior ship, period. Our Clan Battle set up contains 2 Smol. A new ship already in CB's the first session it is out not to mention KoTS. If that isn't an indication then i don't know what is. Out of 7 ships, 6 are Russian. Again, what does that tell you?

The only thing that lets a Smol down is your team mates being 1) incompetent and 2) dying too quick.

If he is competent, nothing. If he isnt then your fine and just stay invis as much as you can.

Nice one 4 of your 5 poor targets were BB's. Hey don't worry chaps, BB's can simply heal fire can't they (simple as claimed by some)? HO ho ho.

Well 2 loses the whole night and you was one of them...Git . But now in storm so good night all in all. Good to see you mate. And tell your Grad player just how lucky lucky lucky he was. It frustrated the hell out of me.lol

RNG my friend. 3 salvos at a broadside Grad....ALL over-pens in my Yam. If the games wants you to have a crap game, it will.

@MortenTardo in enemy team Clan and you get this RNG: 3 salvos at the broadside Grad. All over-pens in my Yam. Cant win anything with games like that.... Thank god our Krem players have turned up now, not a fan of BB's in clans for this reason.

First and foremost, FP is a must. Is a MUST. It's in a god awful HE spam tier and it has 2 big centre locations to start fires so you need to cut one of them off with FP. It's a brick of a ship and loves to catch fire. Secondaries or Tank. Well Tank is better overall but for me (and quite a few) its a fun ship with secondaries due to it's potential with the built in IFHE already. It can deal with cruisers, DD's and some 32mm BB's (with it's 150 mm) without IFHE. With IFHE (so 4 captain points) means that those 128 mm can also pen. Is that worth 4 points? Not when FP is at stake, no way sir. The times you use secondaries on border-hugging BB are few and fare between in tier 10 games. I still love the Kurf but it's old now. If you want those kinda games then she is fun, but you need to know when and when not to get really get involved. You need to understand it wins battles by taking hits for the team so if your damage adverse then don't sail this ship. Her guns are showing their age with ships like the Republic , Krem, Thunderer and soon to be more Russian BB have much better gun pens that can wollop cruisers. Not to mention better accuracy. She is not competitive, but still usable in randoms. Just beware, most i see burn to death. You wanna easy line? Grind the Russian one on thank me later. I enjoyed the German BB line when it first come out, but many things have changed since. Power creep my friend.

Nope, that died a while back. loosely radar? That is the only thing i can think of but Supercrusier have them too (Grad and Alaska) so....yeah. Oh and DD's too. The fact of the matter is the whole balance regarding ship classes is a complete and utter mess. 100% cluster.

Spreadsheet says it fine. Why remove it?

He's got it. Funny how this forum has had the life sucked out of it.

Have you included the HE spam from DD's like the Harra, Frie, Kaba and klab? You know the new kinda HE spam meta. Or what about the Conq or Borg? It isn't just enemy cruisers remember. And of those 2-4 cruisers? 2 Smol, 1 Woster and 1 Colbert is enough to cheese any BB player off. i'm trying to see this through the eyes of casual players. And they don't wanna be set on fire constantly. Not even mentioning the torps with even supercrusier having 20 km ones. it's a mess.

Get used to it. It is what it is and wont get better. In fact, it will get worse. Apologies for being super negative and hardly constructive but yeah...It's here to stay. Tier 10 is shocking.

Why? Get the Smol or Colbert instead...Their better at it and doesn't use a valuable DD spot. Apologises but i'm being quite biased here but i cant help it, at least i'm admitting it here. I am really not a fan of these DD's (as mentioned in my thread).

BB players are hanging back because they don't wanna get burned alive or torpedo to death. Smol, Colbert, Woster, Harra ect...All those fire spammers are just ripping the fun out of BB Captains. New ships like the Somers with 15 torps along with the Shimmy and what not, it's torp soup. Like this: "yeah, crack on BB player, push into that". I also had a screenshot (trying to find it) of 3 BB's behind me (in a DD again). 2 of which had 3 fires and 1 with 2. it was like a scene from Armageddon. And we wonder why BB captains don't push? Regardless if Fire can be repairable or not, no one wants to be constantly set on fire during the whole game. Do we think they find the game Fun? Nope.

I rely on players like that playing the ship exactly like that being the enemy DD. In the mean time i'll nick the cap and spot you up at the same time. I will see you WAAAYYY before you see me but at least you could use your torps? oh, wait At least you try and do something at the cap, most i see are further back then the cruisers spamming useless HE. I'm not saying it's useless, its a good ship and balanced for a XP ship but people just dont get it and think it's like any other DD...It's not. However, those that get it now will be laughing when Subs come out. It's going to be deadly against them so there is that. Just wait until WG starts selling them when subs do come out ££££££.

Called it....

I know. I meant i don't like the screen clogged up with all these mod crap and the more of the screen i can see, the better. Getting old you know. One of the guys in our clan has all the bells and whistles. It's like looking through a helmet view screen in a fighter jet. Far too much info going on.

Muppets. Prime example of people not reading a map, having a clue or knowing what their ship does. Same old Kaba player. Look were he is? All whilst the enemy is grabbing the caps. Your other DD player is completely useless and your cruisers are being useless. You have no support and no radar to work from. That game was over before it began. What a complete mess but yeah, happens alot.

How I role mate. Vanilla None of that "give me the edge" extra crap. I like to see the whole scene when i play so small map for me.

Lol, just Lol. ABANDON SMOKE!! However, great game where the friendly DD's actually did what DD's are suppose to do. They never got the caps back. The cruisers support the DD's and our side BB did a great job in swatting their cruisers. You know, that 1 -10 game.

Sub is WG PR man, so that's that. Nothing more to say on that subject. I remember him commenting on something I wrote in the past and he said alot without saying anything. He who pays the piper picks the tunes. The Smol is both too strong and extremely bad for the game. But of course we all know that. Of course there is Russian bias. lol, be thankful it's not Warthunder level. But hey, we know WG doesn't care at all what Zoup thinks, LWM or Flamu never mind this forum. So all in all same old stuff.

I'm getting slightly cheesed off with seeing nothing but "light cruiser" DD's in my team. What i mean by this is those DD's that are HE spammer's that generally don't cap contest. DD leaders as you will. Now, people have the right to play what-ever they want to....Fine. I'm cool with that. However, having nothing but DD's acting like Light Cruisers is hurting the team they are in. It's handicapping and frustrating the rest of the team, forcing them to act as a DD. I saw a poor Henri trying his best to cap something as the other 2 DD's were swanning around the map edges. He died within seconds by torps from the enemy DD and BB AP. He didn't wanna do that. He's not designed to do that. But he did and died doing something others should be doing before himself. He is going to have a bitter taste for certain players/ships now and adds to the current toxicity. Something which inadvertently I have added to. Seeing the only 2 DD's in my team, the Kaba and Harra, I knew from the very start that we were more than likely to lose the game before it even begun. And we did in the same way i thought we would....Points/time. This is happening more and more and it's got to that level that i feel obliged to voice my concern. To be brutally honest, I actually flamed the guy. I felt completely ashamed afterwards but i was so frustrated with it all that i wasn't seeing reason. You know, a bad day in the office moment. "why is he playing a light cruiser DD that's been nerfed to the hilt and refusing to spot, be a DD for god sake"!. Now I look back, I realised that it's not HIS fault that he picked that kinda ship. It's also not his fault that the team was screaming at him to grab a cap or we lose (by that time the enemy had ALL caps) something that it's not really designed to do. It is also not his fault that he hasn't got an actual DD to support! Lol. That has a knock on effect to teamwork because that Des that COULD/WOULD have supported them in that cap, well...He's now swapped with the DD and is now in the front line DD territory about to be blown to pieces. Support cruisers arnt gonna swan off down the side of the map supporting a one-man-band DD. Not in a vital radar ship anyway. Now that's just one example but there are many. Some ships rely on DD's to spot to function at their peaks and they too get frustrated when DD's arnt doing that. So.... I propose something which i already know will probably get rejected. I know it will because they would have already implemented it on the "Supercrusiers" and they haven't for some reason. That is: 1) Put them into sub-classes within their class. So "DD leader (or something like that)" and "General DD" (Or something like that) 2) Have a limit on those sub-class ship types. So we don't have 3 DD's like a Harra, Frie and Kaba in the same team against sometime like a gearing, Daring and Shimmy. Because 9/10 the latter is gonna win and i feel quite confident saying that. Please disagree by all means. @MrConway Is their scope for this to happen in the future? It will stop the problems I have mentioned above and will also have the knock-on effect with other things, like limiting a certain sub-class within CB's. Supercrusiers are all coal/Steel/premium so it could give an unfair advantage. I'm not saying that they all do now (expect for the Grad) but it COULD in the future with WG bring out more and more supercrusiers. We don't want CB's being ruled by Steel/Coal/Premium ships which 3/4 of the teams already are. Now we could also sub-class Battlercrusier and Battleships but they don't quite have have the effect on the games that DD's do. DD's win game. Well, IMHO and i'm sure others will differ. Please, this is not a DD hate thread what-so-ever, let me make that very clear and i am trying to be as constructive as i can with my personal observations and proposed solution. I'm a born again DD player , but i believe we need some change in this department. We don't need anymore toxicity in this game, including at times shamefully, from myself.