Redcap375

I use 2 Smol in CB when leading. Other Officers prefer only 1, however they also use more DD's than i do. Both ways work depending on who is leading. Either way, a smol is a solid ship to use in CB, like we all knew it would.

What people need to realise is that all depends on the type of game and other small factors. The Smol relies on Damage over Time (DoT) to win games, not a massive DoT granted, but there is one. Now in randoms when you have 11 other random people, pushing on your own doesn't normally go well, so ships like the Smol can shine. Constantly burning down ships as and when. They normally have at least one spotter for them and everything is gravy. If they don't have a spotter then they can just kite and throw HE out knowing that the enemy 9 times out of 10, wont push that far forward to catch you. Smol can operate safely behind lines if it so chooses (nice one WG giving a CL that much range with 130mm, you should have followed the Atlanta example). The radar is normally far away enough not to bother them and they are quite happy just keeping at 16+ range and burn things down. As long as they have a DD or something spotted they are happy as pig in you know what. Now..... You have a CB game, when you have 7 other people, with communications, with tactics and knowing that a team full of smol rely on DoT to get their stuff done? That's different. You push...You push hard and fast. You don't give them time to do Dot and sooner or later they will panic, smoke up and sit there....That is when things get really messy with Grad/Moska 11km+ radar. Oh your ships will burn and you might even lose a few if they are really good and focus, but when the crunch comes, it's like shooting crippled ducks in a basket. They panic, smoke and then is when it's nut cracking time. You see 1 salvo from 2x Grad/Moska will end a Smol. It's THE perfect Pen for it, unlike say a Bb that does over pen it. The Grad/Moksa doesn't. 2 Smol trying to burn down a Grad takes time. There is no real one shot magic that the Grad can pull of. Torps? You wont even get into it's range. Basically, you give them less time to do stuff and you will win. We figured that out quite early in CB. Those teams that sit there and try to hold caps feel the pain more as the smol has time to do all this damage (normally with a DD spotter, like a shimmy/Somms). The smol is a toxic ship and hate the meta it has helped, but i also like playing it (more of a DD supporter in it though). It's too much IMHO but there are counters. Smol shin when they have a lone ship which in combination of a somms/shimmy they torp and burn it to death. They then work around the flanks and do the same. Don't give them the time to do that. It's like countering a Klaber with a Zao.

The Grad/Moskva. That is what i have found deals with the Smol the best. The Longer radar mixed with hard hitting perfect pen AP can demolish a Smol if caught right. One savlo and 3/4 gone if not outright. I have killed more Smol out right in a Grad more than anyother ship. We had 6 grad vs 6 smol (lol) in CB. The grads (we) won. Just pushed, radared, con fire and soaked up the HE between our Russian bias cruiser HP. Russian ship to counter another Russian ship. Ho ho ho

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Isn't winning the game incentive enough...…...

Chaps. Well it's finally here and the flood gates are now open. The last padlock on the remaining paddock has now been sheered off with credit cards and the horses will soon be bolting in random, aimless directions. Running into traffic and darting all over the place. It hit tier 9 first and that has destroyed tier 9-10 quality of games. Lets be brutally honest here, the state of high tier games are a joke. Now is tier 10 only restricted to "the best players"? no. But there needs to be some small quality of play in Randoms and tier 10 WAS the last refuge, well semi anyway. As we know, most can sleep walk into tier 10 ships, but now you can simply buy one out right without playing a single game. God that is bad for gameplay. Coal and Steel ships have to be earned in some respect. Even if like me, i hate the "those that do and those that don't", at least they have played a few games in order to get them. 30.000 steel isn't easy. But when we start to see players at tier 10 with something like 10-20 games to their name, it's gonna make my eyes bleed. @MrConway, @Crysantos is this it then? Have you now given direct access for players to buy tier 10 ships. The amount is relevant, but are the flood gates now open 5 years later? Some might think this is great.... 1) The masochists who enjoy shooting crippled chickens 2) People that simply want to play tier 10 without any experience, money talks kinda thing.. But how on gods green earth is that good for gameplaya and quality. This is the start, I have no doubt about that. Even if you state the same old "we have no more plans to use this in the future.....Bla bla" or "this is an experiment and bla bla bla (like you did with tier 9 premiums). It's all white noise now and we all know it. So do YOU 2 think, hand on your hearts (i know your WG employees, so i expect the same response to be honest) think that opening tier 10 to wallet worriers is a good idea from a game-play point of view. Do you think it is good for the game? And i'm not talking about the finical kinda good for the game.

Kurf I can not and will not drop FP on my Kurf, even though everything else is secondary spec. You simply have too much of a superstructure that loves to burn with massive sections. Boy does it burn. Half of your secondaries can pen 32mm armour anyway...So IMHO really not worth 4 points. Massa However, i do have IFHE on the Massa as it's quick heal makes up for it and being able to deal with cruisers is a life saver. Funny in tier 7 games. Republic Just no. You need everything to keep it alive and getting into brawling with it isn't one of them. I used to secondary spec but have done far better without (full tank). being Cit through the nose by a Yam/Krem isnt fun. Bismarck Played it when it first came out. Went full Secondary Spec and loved it. Alas, so many tier 8 now the bismarck was sold There are just better ships now (lenein, Massa, tirp). But if i did re-buy it again then i would prob have FP like the Kurf, not IFHE. It's a different game now and the Bis is old with old guns. Alsace Never tied it with secondary spec so i cant comment. Always full tanked it so can't comment but i cant personally see those secondaries doing much apart from killing the odd DD and set fires (so RNG). I don't know, was gonna give it a try at some point. I was a secondary junky and these are my conclusions.

There are so many reasons why you don't sec spec a Yam mate. I have been there and done that because i do enjoy a good old scrap, however: 1) You burn...I mean you really really burn if you don't spec into BOS, FP and all that jazz. 2) You get spotted from the moon and burn.....So more burning. 3) You are not a brawling BB. Your guns are sooo SLLLOOOWWW that is extremely unsuited to brawling and secondary speccing a ship is asking for a brawl at some stage. 4) No turtleback. So you will get your cits blown out in double figures. 5) You have worse angles for your secondaries in the Yam than your Kurf. So to get all your secondary firing you have to show your broadside. Please see note 4. 6) You don't have 1/4 rule pen so 20-25mm is your max. 7) The HE spam meta is seriously against you. 8) You will burn. But apart from all that.....yeah its alright for it

Seen worse. But yeah, funny how the BB's follow eachother like blind pygmy shrews. At least they didn't mince around the map edge like my team did yesterday. Nice to see the Zao being played to it's full potential. Lol. You should have sunk your other DD player yourself and take the hit. What a waste of a DD as you could of had 2 caps.

A bit like talking crap about football but still watches it ay? Nice try though...And you really need to look up the word "hypocritical".

Since alpha, IMHO BB's have always attached the worse players That hasn't changed after all these years. They simply can not except that they are going to be shot at during the game. Most do not understand what the BB is there to do. That is to take damage at some point in the game on behalf of the team. it is 100% down to the player not having a clue what his ship is designed to do.

Congrats mate.

Hilarious. Give me something good to talk about then Ranked isn't one of them. CB and Ranked Sprint is....See how easy that was? But it is funny how you except anything WG throws at you like a beaten puppy. Sad really.

It's too much mate. You can not in any form rely on 7 random players to win. I single handily killed 3 ships, 2 caps and dragged the team to nearly win. Only for our 3 BB's to sail around the map then to die one by one without doing anything the whole game. Too much, sorry but not for me. Until they you can bring Div's into it (2 man) then i'm out. It's an exercise in seer perseverance, nothing else. But i have RL to attend to or friendly Clan banter Div's in randoms.

There are no words to explain just how poor the quality of players really are in ranked so far. Ranked Sprints any day, this ranked? Not a chance. There is only so much you can drag a team through evolution going solo. Not worth the stress or effort with 8 vs 8 at tier 10. CB any day of the week.

You should have rammed the final ship. happens. Just apologise and be the better man. They should then be happy with your response, if not send a ticket if they pester. I had one sent to me yesterday. Playing the a ship i hate (sovetsky) as was having no luck with it's AP, so i switched to HE half way through the game. it's AP was doing nothing! Bouncing off everything and couldn't cit a broadside cruiser if it depended on it. It's one of my most hated ships. As it's accrauty and AP is underwhelming. Anyway... The guy accused me of 1) running away instead of bow tanking and staying with his Grad and 2) Throwing HE half the game. I told him to rod off regarding staying and fighting. 7 vs 3 ships isnt gonna go down to well when they were pushing (against 2 Smol burning us down easy) and i seen the writing on the wall so fled. He stayed and died. He was salty. Second one i explained that i hate AP on this ship. So i used HE instead. but techincally he is right, it's just i can not for the life of me get AP to work for me on this ship. I had 7 games in it and have now free exp to the Kremil. It's now my lowest WR in any BB, that is how bad i hated it. First game in the Krem and 139,000 damage. Lol. 4 cits on a broadside Yam where i couldn't even land one with the Sovetsky. Summery Explain and everything should be fine. If he isn't then at least you was honest to him and yourself. It's when people ARNT honest about their own preformace is when things go wrong. Apologise and move on. So i would have said "yeah, sorry mate but heat of the moment got to me and forgot to ram, apologise" i bet you will be more weary of it in the future though.

Either way, tier 10 is to be treated like any other tier. Quality of players is not a factor, something I now know. So now i know this, WG can do what they want with premiums and letting anyone into high tiers at whatever point in their "career" so to speak. @Excavatus your not a dim chap and you don't come across as being naive. You know perfectly well what i was getting at. MrConway has a very good grasp of the English langue and he know exactly what he was saying (or not saying as a matter of fact). Maybe but each to his own. Who am I to say what people enjoy or not? They might only like WW1 ships? Or they are happy with the level they are at? The fact of the matter is how is he less deserving then someone who has brought their way to ships. So why should he receive LESS then someone with half the games under his belt and 20 premium ships. And you have said it yourself, isnt not much of an achievement. OF COURSE i know why WG are doing it, but in the usual WG fashion their employees are spinning it out as rewarding loyal customers.... What a massive crock. Why they couldn't just come out with it is beyond me.

Your right, completely right. It's not wrong, it's a company trying to make money so we can play a game. However, what IS wrong is when the people behind the brand spin us crap. Say one thing but mean another. Saying it is for veterans is plain wrong. But if he would have said it's about rewarding those that spend money on the game then it would have been far better and more transparent. It would even increase his credibility. I wouldn't have mind as it would have been honest and up-front. But saying snow flakes are for veterans of the game is wrong. So wrong. if it was, it would have been on time played and not the amount of ships they have. *sigh* All this could have been avoided if he was up front in the first place. When will they learn. Anyway, at least we have a few answers on tier quality (i.e there is none). I'm not saying that is totally bad, just WG direction. I hate it personally as i always thought tier 9-10 should be of better quality players. That has been completely stamped out. So on that bases....Lets just open up tier 10 to premium ships and be done with it.

And there you have it. You have said it yourself. veteran /ˈvɛt(ə)r(ə)n/ noun noun: veteran; plural noun: veterans a person who has had long experience in a particular field. "a veteran of two world wars" And that my friend is what a "veteran" is. Someone how has spend TIME in a particular field. I spent 6 months in Iraq and 6 months in Afgan..Am I a veteran or not? Or does someone that has spent 2 days in Basra Airbase and 2 days in Kabul a veteran or not. I would suggest not because he brought the plane tickets? Saying that it rewards Veterans is a complete crock and spinning it to the masses. Let me put this quite simply for you as you are missing the point as per: A person who only plays 3 ships but has played 3000 games In them should receive the same amount of rewards to someone who has got 45 ships but has only had 800 games AT LEAST. If I had my way I would reward time only. Those that have played the game, regardless of how much money and ships they have brought. I would reward someone who has played 4000 games in a tier 1 ship more than someone who has played 200 games but have 34 ships. I don't believe in buying your way to heaven. Right now the person with 32 ships gets FAR FAR more then the actual veterans of the game. And there is a dame good reason for WG doing this (£££££) and it has nothing to do with this "Veteran" crap. Not at all. All they want to do is keep the wales happy. ……. I thought so

That what I was saying. You CAN only have 2 ships and be classed as a veteran of this game. MrCon thinks it's the amount of ships which classes a veteran. It's not. Wow it's really not. Hence why they should give out FREE stuff (nothing is really free, something is always expect in return on these games) to those that have had the battles overall. Not the amount of ships. Another problem, different ships and tiers gives out different stuff. Wrong. There is a reason they do that and we all know why. £££££££. It has nothing to do with rewarding veterans It's about giving out stuff to those that have brought more ships or obtained them. That way they will want you to grind and collect more and more. So next time around you have more snowflakes , coal and steel ect.... Its whole design is for you to brake ranks and grind more ships and they know in time, spend money. Free stuff...Ho ho ho You cant all be that blind and naïve. Oh many of you wont mind because it's all free right and you have many ships, some you have only played once or twice (another reason they get you to PLAY them to get snowflakes)? But the system of Snowflakes is wrong at it's core and need to be changed to reward the VERERANS, not the ones that do and don't. …... And you have many personal problems Pete i'm sorry to say.

You did, but as usual it's another political answer. I have come to expect this over the years. You are completely unable to remain impartial in your answers, I don't hold that against you, you work for WG. You say it without quoting it.. Don't worry, we all know what you mean (its called read between the lines). Like I said I am fine with this vision, at least we all know where we stand. You have told me all I need to know and in the end, it's what WG wants. Nothing I can do about it. What? So what is your definition of a veteran? 100 games? 1000 games? 3000 games? I can be a veteran but only have 2 ships? I think you need to look up the word VETERAN. Being able to buy ships at any level means that you don't have to be a veteran to obtain snowflakes. A veteran of the game can have just as much as a non veteran depending on what your option of veteran is. See where i'm going with this? Again, you don't need to spin it and sell it off as a "Veteran only" event. If you wanted to reward the "Veterans" then give out free loot boxes/Steel or coal for those with 3000+ games? how hard was that? But instead you get them to PLAY the ships first before they received the flake. Now I wonder why they get us to do this? It's another way for you to get people to obtain high tier ships. And in doing so you KNOW people will play money for it. You want more coal? Get more ships. You want more steel? Get more ships. You have premium ships my friend? Thank you for more steel. "snowflake" is a pay day for people with more ships, not veterans. Don't mix the 2 up. There are always ways to making money, it's down to how you make that money and who you cheese off in the process. Making money by opening it up the high tiers I didn't like, plain and simple and the reason for this whole thread. However...…….Now you have explained that the tier is irreverent then i'm finally at peace with this. If that is WG vison and tier quality doesn't matter (the tier is just a number), then i'm at peace with that. Don't expect me to like it (which I really really don't) but at least you have put your cards on the table now, which I admire. Thank you.

Thank you for getting back to me later. I understand that WG needs to proof read certain things before you post. "not a negative effect"...Well you think that and we know the opposite. The main difference is that i don't work for WG nor do they pay my bills so i have the freedom of speech. Of course you are going to degrade the quality of high tiers if you bring out premium ships at high tiers. How could you not! But like you have said (and not said at the same time, read between the lines) is that tier 10 is treated the same as tier 4, or 2....It's only a tier. Fine. You expect the same gameplay at tier 4 than at tier 10. In fact thank you again for clearing that up. I have long suspected. If that is WG vision then fine and some people will like that....I don't. I like to know that i have earned the right to play against others that play well. Lower tiers, IMHO is for those that are learning. Mid tiers are for everyone, both skilled and otherwise as it's a good inbetween. Less skilled players learn from the better ones for example and it's a good half way point (still the best tier is 7). But tier 10 should be played by players that wont die within seconds. Not elitists only club, but players that have played more than 100 games at least! So the good players actually know there in a tier 10 game, not a tier 4 game because right now, they are the same quality. But i suppose that all went long ago. Last night One player: 67 games and at tier 10 already. 43% WR. Has the Jean bert too. Died like a peasant. *slow clap* But if that is what you want and tier quality doesn't matter...Fine. At least we all know now. So you have edited your original post..Interesting. Change of tune? So account level now..Interesting. Well done, it's a start. But as you can still purchase the ship outright into tier 10 with money, that isn't right in the slightest. It's only one step away from tier 10 premiums straight out the box and you know it. They have already done it for WoT blitz. And if tier 10 and tier 2 is the same in your books, then it WILL happen with that mentality. You know what, saying all this: I mean why not in fact? If Tier 10 is just another tier, lets just open it all up and bring out tier 10 premiums. Yeah, lets go for it then. I will infact support your vision now and i'm all for opening up tier 10 to premium ships. If there is no refuge left in this game, lets just open the whole thing up. It's still a massive money making scheme. Like you have stated "people can choose where and how much MONEY they want to dedicate". You expect people to buy it eventually. You know they will when they are so far away in getting it and fed up of the grind. Can you provide us with the stats of people that got the belham FOR FREE, as opposed to those that ended up spending money on getting it. Free indeed... If it was truly free to all then take away the ability to bloody buy it then. But of course, you know many many and many people will end up spending money on it. You do realise we can see all though this right? *sigh* Summery Thank you for clearing up WG vision regarding the quality of tiers. I.e there is none. Now that isn't meant to be super negative as some people will like that view. I don't. infact i hate it. There should always be differences between tier 1 and 10. But hey, that's the world according to Redcap. Lets just bring out Premium tier 10's and be done with it. Like you have clearly stated, there is no difference anyway. It's just another tier with nothing attached. Veterans AND players with 200 games under their belt, it's the same now. No need to spin it to veteran players. So you are rewarding everyone technically as there are more casual players at tier 10 then veterans...by far. So again you disagree with the players, fine that is your opinion. But it is never your opinion is it? It's the opinion of WG. Really does show how out of touch you are. I bet your begging to say Tier 10 matches are not as good as they used to be. In fact, they are S***. Tier 10 is a complete and utter HE Spamming, IFHE, OP ships, Camping, incompetent, dying-like-flies mess. But lets just open up tier 10 to premium ships and be done with it. But don't expect us to say WG is doing a great job at all this. In fact its completely the opposite and doing such a bad job with the vision of this game, it's comical and i for one will highlight this to poor players wondering where all the skill has gone from the game at the top. Becuase tier 10 is just another tier.