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Until WG come out with some [edited] and Bull story about changes for the better and giving us more options. Hummm. Where have we seen this before?

Being an old established clan, we are on the edge of obtaining level 5, this current navy battles should do it. However, that's taken time even for a very active clan like CG, so for smaller and less active clans.. Well, it's gonna take a llllooonnnggg while.

We can but guess can't we. Maybe, maybe not wholly responsible Pete as the points you have raised are also very true. But those have certainly added to the overall problem either way. I've been playing a lot of DDs and BBs lately. Why? Because BBs wipe the limited amount of crusiers off the map quickly (helps my div) and DDs wins games. I only play crusiers when I know I have a solid div to do it with (1 DD, 1 BB and CA/CL). When I play solo, crusiers are the last class I pick, with DD being the first and BBs when I feel lazy. Because you have more influence in a game playing a solo DD than any other ship. A CV can't really cap you see and huge damage farming only gets you so far The 2 new BB lines had nothing to do with me not playing crusiers, whatsoever, zero. One line struggles to hit anything and the other gives you time to do loops before they fire again. But those 3 points have and that's all I know.

3 things happened to crusiers, its just taking time to sink in: 1) The CV rework. Crusiers used to be the best AA support ships which encouraged teamplay. Now? AA is utterly meaningless so crusiers lost one of their main identities. 2) Overmatch. In the beginning the caliber of BBs wasn't so much of a issue. Now? 3/4 of tier 10 BBs can smash your face off regardless of angle. 3) Commander "money grab" rework happened and cruisers got hit the hardest, by far. So there you go. Are they the hardest class to play? No, that still belongs to DDs, but it got a hell of alot harder for them/us and people are feeling the pinch too much. I have said this from the very beginning of the game and time... The more BBs you get, the more they suffer. They should have always had a hard cap on BB to 3 when there is 12 ships. 5-6 cruisers and the rest DDs. BBs should never be making up the majority of the teams like they do now, I mean more than other classes. Too much imbalance for cruisers..

It's easy but easy doesn't win games. and with all the greatest respect in the world mate, your a prime example: 3 kiting cruisers.... 30 Yoshino 10 Japan 25 52% 1 611 104 586 0.76 3.24 Details Zaō 10 Japan 38 44.74% 1 685 100 382 0.79 2.32 Details Henri IV 10 France 29 37.93% 1 585 102 741 1.21 2.24 Details fantastic damage , poor WR. You do so much better in those I class as "Support" cruisers. But at the end of the day, play what you wanna play and do what you wanna do. Red.

Surprised with some of your views here chaps..Really surprised from those claiming to be be cruiser players like yourself @The_Chiv. Now i've not said it's easy to be a cruiser captain, I know, half my games have been in them but people actually think pure farming is the only way and not having your friendly DD in mind is...Well, shocking. Damage does not equate to winning when cruisers are concerned. Your own stats confirm that with your most damage farming cruisers being your lowest WR, and I mean below 50%. Take my own stats, nothing to hide: So long range damage farm 24 Zaō 10 Japan 10 40% 1 682 90 873 1.2 1.7 Details Good damage, but pants WR. Played it by farming damage at the back. Not my kinda ship or way to play but meh, easy play. 10 Venezia 10 Italy 31 51.61% 1 536 98 147 1.29 2.58 Details Even better damage, but pants WR. Played by farming damage at the back like above. Prime example of not playing a cruiser to it's strengths, it should be played ALOT further forward than i played it (not touched it for ages since THAT CB) Now lets move closer to mid range: Hindenburg 10 Germany 91 54.95% 1 844 98 703 1.12 0.6 Details Ok, getting better. Higher WR and good damage. Can get really stuck in Mid/end game. Dmitri Donskoi 9 U.S.S.R. 48 60.42% 1 864 80 197 0.9 2.29 Details Better still, gets radar so more useful to the friendly DD. Now close range: 10 Smolensk 10 U.S.S.R. 190 62.11% 1 813 95 269 1.22 3.56 Details Dead enemy DD's all over the place and THEN farm damage. 26 Des Moines 10 U.S.A. 102 62.75% 1 954 78 504 1.19 3.29 Details Hummm, So lowish damage but 62%? That's because helping DD's and killing the enemy ones pay off. Belfast 7 U.K. 99 66.67% 1 733 56 381 1.02 1.29 Details Speaks for it's self. Do I farm? Or do I support the friendly DD and kill theirs? Hummm. Alaska 9 U.S.A. 73 57.53% 1 528 76 324 1.1 3.36 Details Radar is so fun isnt it. Look, i'm not saying that all cruisers are designed to support DD's, but those that ARE win games more then those that don't IMHO. And @The_Chiv until WG split the class up, ALL cruisers come under the same belt. Super or not, that is something we have to suck up. Either that or I am a lot better in support cruisers than I am at kiting cruisers.

A crusier is the master of support, not DPS. Alaska, Grad, kron ect can hardly be called DPM monsters can they??? If crusiers are too passive then then enemy grabs the caps, helps kill the enemy DDs (with their not passive crusiers) and dominates map control. I love seeing teams with zoa, Henri, Yosh and now Hindys as I know that they won't be anywhere near the cap when I grab them. And when the enemy DD is found their DD has no support.. Lovely, even easier. Play smart, not passive. Support your dds and fellow crusiers, not farm damage behind the BBs. Too many people have "farm damage" in their brains when playing crusiers.

Or, like in my case when I'm in a BB, the crusier gets obliterated very quickly. The crusiers that don't get quickly killed are the ones so far back trying to damage farm they aren't accually helping at all in the battle. If people want to learn to play BBs then I would always recommend playing DDs first. People have to experance DD gameplay first, only then can you get a feel for how they act, what they have to go through, and feel like when they aren't supported. Everything stems from the DD. I was quite late to step onto the DD train after being a RST CV main. I could have learnt so much more quicker if I would have played dds first. DDs first, then crusiers and finally BBs. People that play BBs first tend to have no idea about their whole being and what they are designed to do. Because they have not experanced it in softer ship classes that require support.

Thank god someone else is thinking the same as me. Shocking, I mean down right shocking most of the DD players in this game. They struggle to do even the most basic DD things like spotting and keeping other dds away. They simply explode or do all sorts of non DD and crazy things. Now your gonna add something else on their list of things they are not gonna do? Ho Ho Ho Subs will be in randoms, called it yonks ago and there is nothing we can do to stop it. They are mixing it up in an attempt to keep things fresh as games that stagnate, die. It will also no doubt bring more coffers into the WG Cyprus property building piggy fund for the future. But from the ground level (so us) is crap. All sorts of crap. It's business, nothing more.

After they took away the 150mm? Sold it. Nothing special about it now. Still have much better dds that does its role better in the Kidd, Cossack and Loyang.

And I agree with most of that. But something somewhere has to give. The question is, does it give up too much for those powerful guns? I suggest yes they do. WG balance was to give it awful reload and make it slow, amongst other small things. Not good at all in this fire spam meta. AA doesn't mean anything so it hasn't even got that to boast about. But.. When they do land the shells, my god they hurt! If you are going to take a broadside then I always hope its not something like a Vermont giving them out. Clench bum time. That many guns with those caliber shells really screw you up, in any ship. Personally I burn them to a crisp from a nice distance

SAP is damaging to a point, then it doesn't. Not when you could have thrown some thunderer or Conq HE instead. Fire can't be underestimate I'm afrade, and not when it's quicker reload. AP is strong but there are much better ships for throwing AP around with the armour to back it up too. Those that don't have the armour to back it up have the range and accuracy. Average BB players at mid/short range die quick...Very quick. But glad people do enjoy the line, I think its rather balanced.

Not tried the new German DD line yet.. I need morale for that.

OK, I've not not been a fan of either the new US BB line or the Italian one. The US is slow as sin and reloads like an old man and the Italian ones have SAP (give or take) again longish reload, horrable accuracy and short range. They don't set the world on fire do they? Personally I think the New US line is better (hits like a truck full of hards things) but they are still sub-par, IMHO. Now that's not to say they are really really bad, which they are not.. Its just they aren't that strong either. If you wanna say it, they are balanced? Is that the problem? We have been spoilt on all these other strong broken ships that playing these new ones just don't cut the mustard? So can we blame WG (I know) on these new lines? Yes we can blame them on some of the other very strong lines and premium ships, but they might be getting it now? Im in a good mood so giving them much more credit then they deserve here, but just a thought? The last 3 lines have been balanced? Or as close as they can be I suppose.

Is your clan active? Do you div with friends? Because those two will greatly help with both enjoyment and WG.

You can actively win a game for the team without even firing a shot. Fact. Or win by doing little damage: 84 Kidd 8 U.S.A. 180 67.22% 1 940 36 788 1.01 6.23 Details 86 Ark Royal 6 U.K. 52 65.38% 1 230 37 743 1.02 3.19 Details Dog poo avg damage but very good WR? It's the damage you do to the important targets is what counts. I would rather have a Cleveland doing 40,000 total damage but killing 2 DD's (the game winners) then a Thunderer doing 200,000 damage but killing nothing important, just farming healable damage. Any day of the week. People fail to understand that most of the time.

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The same thing everyone moaned about in the RST days, screaming that CVs were untouchable and AA did nothing? Still makes me chuckle now. Fools. A prime example of the when the masses with a mob mentality got it wrong. A few level headed people tried to pipe up but it all fell on deaf ears, CVs being the devil incarnat and all that. People wanted change and this is what WG gave us. Better the devil you know. So when that wing of planes is buzzing in the air, keeping you lit up like a christams tree then taking half your health from rockets, I simply smile. No friendly fighters to save us now. Few people really understood how hard it was to manually hit a DD with bombs back then. Defensive AA on? NOT A CHANCE, oh fun times now.

This. Nothing more to add but it takes more of a man/person to know when their wrong than when their right. Some people will always blame others for their own bad play and never learn. If I make a bad move, play or do something stupid then I own up to it in chat. It happens to the best of us, sometimes you just have those moments but they are in the minority, not the majority of games. It's the oppersite for most players in this game.

You again @Yedwy! Lol. On the enemy team this time. After seeing his team melt he went on a one way trip into @Europizza torps after a farewell 15,000 k salvo from yours truly. You had another team that simply threw their ships away one by one.

A crusier is not designed to tank BBs, that's the first thing. If it was then everyone would play versatile crusiers instead of slow firing and generally sluggish BBs. You are not designed to take nothing but hits bow on, the monty has great arcs for hitting crusier decks for instance and things like the Yam simply goes straight through the nose. Bow on crusiers have their place in the game. They are great tactically when used correctly as they provide area denial and can create bottle necks in certain locations. Most bow on type crusiers have radar andd hydro, which is a great tool when used correctly. No one wants to sail In front of a Des or Petro unless they really have to. But you are forcing the enemy too unless they don't wanna win via points. Just because you can doesnt mean you always should. You could not fire a shot in a game but because you have postioned yourself well in something like a Des with radar, your effecting the terms of the game. Your providing pesky radar to light their dds up like a Christmas trees and who doesn't like to sink DD?? Lol. Engine mod is a must, PT is nearly a must depending on your awareness and good positioning is a must. You have to know when to engage and when to sail back Into the safety of the rocks. You always have to have an awareness of what's behind you so you cover you rear and flank from cross shots. One side of your ship has to be covered and never expose e both sides. If half the Des, Salam, Grads and Pedro I see in game take up good bow on positions on most maps, you would win 8/10 of your games, period. But they don't and don't use their ships to their full potential. CVs.... Rework CVs have no doubt made it so much harder (the damage a Des takes from AP bombs is stupid). Hence why CB petro is the meta and Des are out. It can simply take more hits and doesn't pen deck cit as much. 2 well places Des/Salam on any map can give any team a great advantage. But as we all know, patatoes will be patatoes. The last thing we want is every crusier kiting and spamming HE which is happening now, even the tanky ones. There is a reason some have long duration radar, so use it. It's a lonely place for DDs at the moment as no one wants to push or even make a move. More pressure is being placed on them and alot of this is their distrust in crusier captains supporting them.

Wow, not even that OP Enterprise could win that one But seriously WG don't care, they are all paying customers.

Botting. Now close the thread please, don't wanna read anything else from this s***bag. Decent people have games to play here. The same decent people who's games you are trashing.

First thing is never buy the "WG" dream. Grinding this and grinding that just to get the new meta or next OP ship, because in the long run, they get changed. Stop chasing the rabbit that you will never catch. I play this game purely for fun and the social aspect, clan life and banter. If it wasn't for that, I would have left ages ago when a lot of people, who used to be on this forum, did. Won't touch anything lower than tier 5. It's seal clubbing and we all know what that was like. It's not fair and should be left to people getting into the game. I don't have to have any ship now, got plenty over the years. I even have enough coal and steel for any ship but don't fancy any of them. WG isn't getting a penny out me and its been that way for ages now, its completely liberating. Div with friends and you will enjoy it a lot better.