Redcap375

You will find out first hand why their isn't many, Cheers P.S say hi to @RS_SWE and @Prosopagnosia for me the bloody mercenaries (joking, both good lads)

Spoken by someone that has hardly played CV's and currently in a Clan that doesn't even have a tier 9-10 CV's. In fact hardly any CV's at all! I wonder what side of the fence you would be on? You brought it up m8.

No, That some big clans are against CV's in clan battles in general because some only have a handful of CV players and of those, half of them only really shine when they have a div full of AA ships. You and I know how it rolls. Even a mention of a CV makes all Unicum DD players pick up their pitch forks And i've seen plenty of T9 Ships annihilate t10 CV's. Take your Hindy for example (even though it's tier 10) with 47 planes kills, and that's not even a Moskvia or Des. No guessing which ship you use to Div up with a CV. How was those tier 8 Midway torps planes, drop like flys don't they. You imagine a team full of them. Not to mention Mino's with 8.4 Km of aa death. I mean lets compare @15JG52Adler to @GarrusBrutus. Two good WOWS players both commenting on CV's. The only difference is one has played 3 games in a CV out of 4,497 games and the other 1,596 out of 9,684. Which one would you buy a car from with both saying they know how it drives? People forget that CV players don't just play CV's to a good standard but most line's. Its in the minority the other way around and that's why some clans are worried. It's not a dig m8 but an observation that fits my option. It is after all, my opinion Fara summed it up nicely when no CV's were announced at the start of Clans.

I think it would be problematic for lot of the BIG clans that actually have a weak link in their armour. I know, i've played against them plenty of times (OMNI, OM ect). There's alot of bluff and reverse physiology going on. People saying things that they don't actually mean but it keeps the status-quo

This^^ Chalk and cheese

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I feel very strongly about this, as i'm all for equal equality. CV captains work very hard to grind their chosen line in WOWS like we all do. The buggy controls and interface, the amount off AA that some planes can pump out and only being able to strafe at tier 6+ makes this ever harder to master. The amount of players in my clan i've see and spoke to try to grind them and they simply give up and ask me " why do you bother Red". I bothered because i thought that one day those skills could be used in Clan battles. That and i enjoy CV play as well as the other lines (DD's less so as i'm crap in them). So after working hard and ground both CV lines WG put their middle finger up and say "No CV's allowed thanks" Can you imagine if they said "sorry no BBs allowed" or "NO DD's allowed". The forum would be up in flames! But screw the minority right? So what do WG tell us? That because you have honed your skills you cant play because other clans havnt got CV players and the gap is too big?????? Your joking right! Has at least one person in here played tier 8 Clan battles to keep the clan ticking over? Out of them how many have played CV's in them.....Its nasty AA death with every ship equipped with Defensive AA, including DD's . Your role is spotting and recce patrols. How they couldn't implement them in these clans is beyond me, it really is. "their too strong" is laughable at best. Currently without CV's there is little choice in what skills and mods to use. Hydro and Radar ARE the norm with little thought of AFT, BFT or man AA. Games have become more stagnated with the usual spots on the same map. You already know where each ship is going to position themselves in Clan Battles and its a waiting game to see who makes the first mistake. Now i like clan battles don't get me wrong, but the dynamics of the game is rather bland don't you think? Any good game designer can make things work. Some Clans struggle to get tier 10 DD's? So what you grind it for the good of the clan. If your Clan hasn't got a CV captain? Tough, find someone that is willing to take the plunge and get him/her out of his comfort zone. I have been playing the Hindy most of this Clan season and have always featured in the first line up. But i HAD to grind to it before Clans stated (1st) and master it to a level fit enough. No CV? Do the bloody same. But i suppose i'm the that little minority voice which isnt even a whisper by the time it gets to WG. Just imagine if you couldn't use your tier 10 ship that you sweated for? Think about the other side of the fence chaps Rent CV's for the clans that don't have them? Problem solved.

^^ Does that guy know that @El2aZeR has both CV's? How about listening to the guy that has BOTH Cv's and has no bias towards either of them? What is he gaining by lying??? I am always astonished with the amount of people who measure CV players by the amount of planes kills and damage they do. An A typical example of some one that hasn't played CV's to a reasonable standard or tier. The haku is an incredibly flexible ship, far more flexible than the Midway. Those that have played it understand what that means. Both CV's can be great in a good CV captains hands. But all things being equal, the Haku is a better CV IMHO. Less flexibility and servicing times hampers the Midway.

I cant even begin to describe how much i hated the Penscola. My god I tried to make the thing work with everything i knew but alas, its awful! Kiting.....One shell lands and causes lots of damage or straight up cit Bow on.......Penned or straight up cit DD Killing....Not the right ship for the task. Shell arcs and you dont wanna get spotted anywhere near the enemy front line! AA support......Less range and AA potential that the tier 6 Cleveland! BB support....They completely by-pass the BB and kill you from the bat. easy kill. Radar ship....You have it, but don't ever think you are going to use it to kill ships with it. Everyone raved about the AP guns but they hardly did anything for me even against broadside cruisers. My Cleveland used to eat these things alive so i knew it was going to tough. Oh Great concealment until you open up and get one shooted by every ship that has just seen a Pens pop up on their radar. Who cares if its bow-on or angled, no difference. Just in case I've not made it clear, this is not a carry ship Buff? Its got a identity crises and doesn't know what it's meant to be. Its a light cruiser with hard hitting guns (apparently) which technically makes it a Heavy Cruiser. I would give it more armour, sod the light cruiser ethos. Leave that to the RN Cruisers that have SMOKE for defence. IMHO

chaps. Can anyone explain why WG in their wisdom have taken that many planes away from the Midway? I simply don't get it. Only once so far has a enemy Midway Captain carried on with planes left and he/she still lost! Games are normally Decided before they get to the point that I've lost 100 planes! If they do then fair play as its 1 of the 2 strengths the Midway has. Now they are making it Haku levels of reserves?? I'm I missing something here? What are the devs playing????

Back from holiday and they did what? I want what they are smoking at WG again. 40 planes less,wow. Where the hell did that come from? The haku is a better CV IMHO and they nerf the Midway what a way to go WG. On a selfish note you have just made my life alot easier than It already was thank you but on the best-for-the-game kinda note you have dropped a boll*** again. Less tier 8 torp bombers to kill in my Haku,Hindy, Lion, mino ect

I send this back in Jan 18. Every little bit helps. I feel sorry for this lad. I mean I'm sure he really wanted to say " look chaps, this ship is crap at the moment but I know that. the guys are looking Into it, maybe, might be, don't know really". "It has secondaries" I bet he said that through a nervous laugh . Has ball pointing that selling point out.Lol Not having a go but it does make you laugh. Let's not mess around and give it 2x4 guns for a start for god sake and the HP to go with it.. Its a hardy gun ship that often worked on its tod, represent that. It always had 4 torps launchers so fine, its not a torpedo boat. Its a gun ship. Make it that way and stop messing around. The Tribal class is THE British dd. Don't wreck it like this. I'm not a dd player but really want this ship but not if WG don't pull their finger out. Although 2x4 could be in the silver line. I'm glad WG have come to their senses with this little gem. It wont be OP because it should have higher concealment than others (thinking Kaba syle) and 4th turret arc for knife fights will be bad for anything but in smoke. But its what it should be, a gun boat and not a torp one (only 4 torps) . Im not a DD player but i would buy this

Completely agree. I mean you gotta hand it to the WG employee who bravely stood up infornt of everyone and said that BB's should have more Concealment than Cruisers. On the other hand, They should have shot the rest of the WG employees for failing to slap him/her back to their senses. Completely agree. Its a heavy cruiser after all. Best idea of the already good bunch IMHO.

This^^ It's not rocket science is it chaps? If WG cant figger out why then there is literally no hope is there...Its took us what? 5 mins to work out Every man and his dog in here has recognises that the BB is the easiest ship to play and most forgiving. They have so many choices and ways to deal with all sort of things they have made the cruisers almost redundant. This is WG own making, no one else's. The new French BB line completely reinforced this point to me, i remember thinking "my god for poor cruiser players again" I am single-handedly wiping them out so far my tier 6 Normandie. The Lyon? My god. Lots and lots of guns with low callaber shells? Perfect for anti cruiser killing (Like the sharn and Hood), what was they expecting. One broadside shown by a cruiser can get it's self crippled the whole game. No drama's. Like someone has said, its like wolves in a pack. How the hell are 2 wolves gonna survive against 5-6 lions wanting a piece of easy meat? They are going to run and kite to stay alive like what happens now in alot of games. That leaves the DD's with no AA support, fire support and less chance of capping. Why do we think we only have 1 BB in Clans? Can you imagine having 2 or 3 placed into the game? Who the hell would swap them for cruisers instead, i wouldn't. Its the same principle regarding random. Solution? 1) Make them harder to play with less means to kill everything. Politely put, make them less brain-dead to play. If i want a relaxed game then i hop into my Alabama or Lion. I don't really de-stress by playing the NO or Pens 2) Sort the MM out. 1 CV, 3 BB's, 5-6 cruisers and 2-3 DD's. No CV? Replace with a cruiser but would settle for a BB at a push. I understand about waiting times but you want a solution for the problem you have created? There you go. Hard pill to swallow. There should ALWAYS be more cruisers than BB's. Simple. That's a starting point WG. What we see now is: No CV, 5-6 BBs, 3 cruisers and 3-4 DD's. Humm i wonder what the problem is and why people play BB's?

More AA hell then I don't think you will see many CV players when the split comes for a few weeks/months.

Is everyone aware that the majority (KIDD aside) of DD's are not designed to wipe out waves and waves of CV planes? That's a cruisers job. I mean what do all none CV players want? The ability to single handedly Mash planes with little AA spec? We can't all have our cake and eat it. We have more than enough tools in this game (Mod's and captain skills) that can turn a ship into a AA nightmare. You stick Man AA and BFT/AFT on a gearing and watch a full squad of tier 8 Midway torps go...Puff. That's not even including AA Range mod. For the sacrifice of 7 points you have little to fear from US CV's in any game. You wipe his Torps out and watch his spooked RNG bombers try to hit something that isn't water. Is it worth the price? Might be might not not be but its a choice we make as captains. I try to invest skills in half decent AA because i know and understand what can happen if i don't. So what that i only see a CV in what 1/3-4 games, the ones i do see are in for one big surprise. *Below with AA flags *Alabama A simple tier 8 Premium that has less AA than its sister ship the NC. Most plane kills? 35 Planes.. That was against a tier 9 CV (IJN) in a tier 8 BB. And here is me thinking that its a cruisers job *Lion Is it a US BB with lots and lots of long range AA? Most planes kills (drum roll).............47 Planes! That's a BB that isn't a US one. Who needs Long range AA when i use AFT and BFT (with aa range mod) that can bring those nice medium AA into death range. Forget the Man AA skill, don't even need it. *Gneisenau Ok then, so the RN and US can do it, lets look at a German one's then. Surely there not AA monsters... Most planes kills? 42! That's with BFT and AFT, no Man Aim as its was a secondary build at the time. Now think of the rest of the team with Cleveland's, Atlanta's, Kuts, Des ect knocking around! ^^That's just planes kills from one BB only. Did i even include a ship fighter (or 2 with the skill) that can completely mess up any drop? Cant comment on the French BB's yet (at Normandie) but i have been informed from the rest of my clan mates, with my own eyes and whilst i'm sending Planes to their death, that high tiers are a AA NIGHTMARE! Slap BFT and AFT and you have a very good anti AA platform. Tier 8 US torp planes melt. The point i am trying to make is that if we all thought like i do and just HALF AA SPEC, the CV population wouldn't exist as they would simply give up and play BB's or something. Remember, alot of CV players also play other ship types and classes. Example of mine: 1,469 (33.70%) Battleships 1,140 (26.15%) Aircraft carriers 1,520 (34.87%) Cruisers 230 (5.28%) Destroyers So i know first hand what both BB's and cruisers can do when even half decent AA spec.... Alot. No fan boy here, like all classes but i simply cant play DD's to a good level. WG has always favoured BB's and that's why they have equipt 2 of the newest BB lines with good/very good AA. What do we think they are going to do with the Russian BB line when that comes out? Or the dual purpose Italian BB's? Its not going to get better chaps Summary IF YOU DON'T AA SPEC IN ANYTHING, DON'T GO CRYING IF YOU EASY GET SUNK MY ONE. The majority have to tools too. We make choices in this world, this game is no different.

Funny how the least played class by far, with a ever diminishing player base and screw-you bugs, lags and interface STILL gets soft brown sticky stuff throw at them everyday. Gonna start an RSPCCV (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to CV captains) thread or maybe you can adopt a CV captain for a month. This is not funny stuff people . CV captains have feelings too.

No S*** Please, pull up a chair and let it all out.

I am still astonished with the amount of threads like this..A ship gets sunk by a CV and it's pitch forks and linch mob time If i see a RN BB that is pushing a cap with a cruiser then it's risk vs reward. Its sounds like both you and the cruiser wasn't even remotely spec for AA? The Martel didn't have Defensive AA (prob Hydro) which would have ended that CV players dreams there and then and you could of had 5.4 km of mid AA death. My Lion eats planes for breakfast. As you prob didn't have either, that CV player took a calculated risk and for him, it paid off. He knew the enemy CV wasnt gonna send planes to their death with a KIDD knocking around. It could have went completely the other way with the enemy CV loosing ALL of his planes very quickly. Fair play to the CV player and move on You was abit unlucky (no aa spec supporting cruiser) but a few things to keep in mind: Lesson learnt 1) Spec for AA. It a choice we all have to make, if you dont then fair enough but dont go their if you get sunk by a CV. 2) Ask cruiser if AA spec? 3) Don't push close to a cap that you KNOW you wont have air support for (KIDD).

You havnt played the Kaga have you? Only once have i ran out of Torp planes. But your right, there is something majestic about ships like the Midway.

I want to love this ship and make it my go-to tier 9 BB, but the dispersion is SOOOOO frustrating! It has to be used at Mid range. Too close and you get focused and get nailed quickly, too far away and you cant hit a barn door. What are you guys using for Captain skills?

You've won 4 of your 7 games in the Shokaku so don't worry, that's a good start. The first thing you come to peace with by being a CV captain is moaning. Sometimes they might be right, sometimes they are wrong. But you play to the best of your ability, we all make bad decisions sometimes but at least we make them. I've had 2 Des Mon players 3.4 km away from eachother scream for AA cover . Where i've also had a DD player being spotted for a long time screaming for help? Who i'm i going to help more? No brainer. Do we think the 2 Des Mon players will care and understand why you cant help them...They don't give a selfish S***. Not only will they moan but report you too even if you win Out of all the classes, CV's cant afford to be selfish. Being Selfish in a CV loses games for the team more than any other. Anyone who has played Clan battles at tier 8 know what i'm talking about. I hate tier 8 games because of the god awful MM, but i enjoy playing the Enterprise because to me its something different. Just get through tier 8 and get the Tahio or Essex if you prefer. In stead of meeting higher ships alot, you will have more on your own level and even a few tier 8's thrown in too. Single best piece of advice ^^. The positioning of 2 AA div ships can completely alter the game for a CV player. You need to do the same to be on a equal footing. Hakuyru with 2 8.4 km AA support Mino is the single best Div combo a CV player could ever wish for. If the Mino players know how to troll tank and stay alive then your 75% on the way to a GG. Makes me cringe thinking about it See all those CV players that have 70+ Win Rates? Yep, its all about Div's with AA ships. Just take a look at what their SOLO stats are then compare that to 3 Divs? Its a shocking difference most of the time

Well I've learnt a few things about league of Legends

Its harder this season for sure with a lot of good Clan. Always good for the game to be honest. I don't think the OP is whining and has what he believes is a valid point. To an extent, i tend to agree. I am completely fine with it as it is, but i can see where he is coming from. On mans junk is another mans treasure. Some people might see spanking lower ranked clans as experience, some might see that as another 15-20 point loss and them dropping further down the leagues. Both sides of the fence. I would be lying if i knew what you was talking about, but as i don't know League of Legends i will have to take your word for it. If it was that bad, why did they use it? So does Silver5 players fighter Bronze1 players whilst trying to climb the ranks, like they do in WOWS Clan? Is the game about skill points, magic points, magical item and all that jazz that you have earned up to that point? Or is the game like WOWS Clans were everyone has the same ships with the same selection of equipment you can equip? The only difference is that the PLAYER and/or the TEAM (tactics) are better? Is League of Legends and WOWS Clans a fair comparison? I don't know, tell me. I'm trying to put this into a simple league system that has been tried and tested by many countries around the world. Clan battles as a game team, with individual players of various skill, with the same equipment, is the same principle. You go up a league and if you get smashed?...You go down. But that team has gained experience at the coal face by losing. We learn more from our defeats that our victories and they will go up again but this time with more experience and hopefully earn the right to stay up. For the recorded, like i've already said, i'm not against the way it is at the moment with the point system. But i can see what some people are saying and why some people feel like its unfair. IMHO they have a valid point.

And that my friend is how leagues work. You go up one season and could go down the next. But at least that Clan can say that they got their in the first place by beating their peers. You get promoted and if your not good enough, you go back down. Simple. I'm a rugby man myself but football seems to be more universal. Apply it to rugby if you want, its the same thing. Cricket, basketball it doesn't matter. If the majority of sporting leagues in the world use this system then something must be right and fair? I tend to agree with them. Its easy to see things from ivory towers