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CV's won't And Defensive AA

I have promised myself as from yesterday that i will not take a tier 9-10 CV UNLESS I am within a division. Just lost 4 games in a row and it was little to do with the enemy CV, although some were good. It's the shear amount of AA that has been present in the games. It's been eye watering. 2 Mino, 4 Des, 2 Montana Div with CV, Zao with Defensive AA, fletcher with Defensive AA and a Kaba is just one example of the AA i had to put up with in the last game. Oh and the Missouri! I wish i was making this up. You know me, I know tactics, I understanding waiting for ships and playing the long game but the teams are dieing faster that I can get really involved lately. The High tier camping Meta at the moment is clumping ships close and i'm finding it very difficult to even pick one off that isn't AA to the hilt. Lonely flanking Zao....Going for the drop.....Get within 5km ish....He pops Defensive AA and by the time i'm finished nearly all are dead. Lonely Missouir hold a flank with my team S*** scared (3 of them) to push. Get involved to break the statement and he demolishes 3/4 of my 3 torp strike. All of them die when the Des Mons just in range (comes back) pops Defensive AA. The introduction of the US CL is going to make this even worse IMHO. Am i overreaching or has anyone else experienced a higher number of AA builds and ships? I have seen a massive increase in Des Mons, Buffalo's, Clevelands, Montana and AA Spec ships in general for a while now and fewer ships like the Curry and Yam knocking around. Because of the clans that are coming and the US missions? Is this just a phase the game is going though?

No s*** Good job mate.

That just went completely over your head didn't it lad Glad he and most people got it . If you didn't know what a landslide victory was (or meant) then why go off on one and start throwing things around like the duration of matches?? Anyway, glad to hear your option on the matter mate. Glad you think balance would be better and what we have isn't perfect (I agree). So basically, in a nutshell...It's here to stay. Might not be balanced teams but it's the best way to stop people abusing the system for their benefit. I get that i suppose. Its just a shame that they cant come up with a system that allows a balanced team. I'm sure if they really wanted that, they could IMHO. And players would really go to that extreme to win/fix matches? Thanks for the replies lads. Glad to see were not the only ones

Fair enough. But don't you think (like i do) that is wrong from the start? Being either the hunter or pray? I would feel more happy if we were placed within more balanced teams every game.

I think 2+-MM is alright for the most part. It's not like WOT thank god.

@NothingButTheRain England beat Panama 6-1. That's is a Landslide victory right? But the game is still 90+ minuets And please look again, where did i mention the duration in any of my comments. Your confusing landside victories with time. Anyway i'm not going to get drawn into this. You are right about "facts" and I take it on the chin that's it's only an opinion. So, again...... I take it you think the MM is equal? You can say yes mate, i'm not forcing you to say no you know.

Bob on and I knew that from the start mate. The hard truth. Stats..I don't tend to trust things from the same company that thought the GZ was "ok" to be released with all the testers and "stats". But the day the community takes it laying down is the day this game dies lads. The GZ would still be on sale if people didn't "care" about the game and voice their opinion. I'm sure they had lots of "stats" about that one...Right. I'm not completely anti WG as i enjoy the game and take WG for what they are, a company. But i/we don't wanna see a game turn into S***.

I never mentioned the duration of games , only about landslide victories which doesn't have to incorporate time periods. My opinion on the MM unbalance is my concern, not how quick they end. So I take it you think the MM is equal as much as it can be?

Fair enough. Completely fair enough. It's not just the average length of time (but that is also true), but the outcomes it's self, however long that might take. It's not a concrete statement only an opinion (like stated). With any opinion is it just that, an opinion. I expected someone to talk about "stats" so fair enough and you are right, i have none apart from unbiased eyes. But...Statistical gathering would include the skill (incorporating all information, whatever that might be) within both the teams. The length means little in the bigger picture. Would be interesting to see what the results would be in say 100 games . I would guess, maybe wrongly, that the teams are quite unbalanced right from the go and the "weaker" team are ice skating up a hill right from the bat. More than it should be anyway in this day and age.

Well we live in the 21 century with computers, sharp sticks and stuff. If we can put a man on the moon, i'm sure WG with all their might can come up with a solution. But I would start by nothing putting 6-7 60+ WR clan/div players on one team against a team of 40% - 55% WR without clans/div's. I think I would start there WG should hire some of the players who post on these threads to be honest, some good ideas. Most actually care about the game like I do.. Concerned citizen bit I would rather be punched in the face standing up than kicked at will on the floor.

reasons then.... Loved WOT many moons ago....Hate what it has become now.

So it's a rant now....Some people, your better than that rain If you not seen an increase then fine, but bare in mind that many do. Defiantly not IMHO. Div's are here to stay and should always be allowed in Random games. It's one of the last bastion of teamwork in this game and a reason alot of people still play random. That and Clans which I am looking forward to by-the-way. It's the creeping of the unequal MM that concerns me, not the divs/clans. Don't have 2 x 3 Divs/Clan with good stats on one team against a mix bag of all sorts on the other. It's not just div's and clans, but one team that has substantial better "stats" then the other.

That rings a bell and is very true. We have 2 players like this, both BB players to be honest. No matter how much we tell them, they do the same thing and are afrade of taking hits. What's more funny is they keep asking what Premium is best to get That sums up alot of players who play this game. Rightly or wrongly, that's what the game has to work with most of the time.

One word..Premium WG see the £££££ signs and know that people will pay good money to own this piece of RN history , Like the Hood. Put it this way, i actually would . See, it worked. Nothing about being a stain IMHO, it's about £££££. But anyway, i'm looking forward to another line.

I'm not a DD player but I WILL be grinding this line. But.....AM I RIGHT IN THINKING THEIR IS NO TRIBAL? what? Can you experienced DD players explain how good these ships are or not and why? Stat crunching is one thing, but nothing beats experience and what to really look for.

6 Radars in the enemy team last night in the KIDD. We won, but my god was it a cagey match with neither DD's trying to do anything apart from staying alive. I only just managed to grabbed a cap with my fingernails! The first DD that went into the cap didn't come back out...It was that quick. From the perspective of a DD noob but seasoned player, it's hell on earth regarding the amount of radars at high tiers. I can only salute DD players at high tiers with the amount of stuff against them. It goes from being a quick, fast and engaging DD play at low-Mid tiers to the current tier 10 which included camping, Radar and Fast firing DD killing guns. 1-2 or even 3 is tolerable, but 4-5-6 is getting crazy now. Even more so with the new US CL. I shouldn't really care as i'm not a main DD player, but I really do feel sorry for them regarding radar at the moment. It will get worse lads, mark my words.

As you know High tier CV play isn't easy. You might have one game with all the AA cruisers in the world and the next fewer with a few Tirps thrown in. Even BB's can pump out that much AA it's eye watering. 47 Planes kills in my Lion, i mean, wow. But you/we have to learn to adapt in those situations. Make a mental note where those cruisers/AA spec BBs are and avoid them as much as possible from the start. Focus on the flanks where they tend to be less of them (less hill cover) and pick of non defensive AA DD's that operate mostly outside of the AA bubble. Wait for HE to do it's damage to AA mounts on ships like the Mis and Montana, Conq and Republic and play the late game. There is no denying, if you go again a AA Div as a solo captain then it's not easy. 2 Atlanta's and a Kaga/Saipan, 2 Mino/Des/Worc and a Midway when positioned correctly causes all sorts of problems for you. They can use that AA as map deny basically giving the CV alot of space to safely operate in. These are normally the caps. In my experience, 2 AA spec Mino's with 8.6km is the worst div to ever go against. The lost of just one plane can shift the balance of any engagement. They block the cap and when that poor enemy DD (non AA spec) goes into it, smash him then light him up for his troubles. Enemy CV has to either engage and lose a tone of planes or leave the DD to it's fate. But.....It's map dependant and you need a good CV captain to exploit the strengths. If not then you have 2 mino's/whatever hanging around with little flexibility. And above all communicate to your team, regardless if they listen or not. If you say i need this (AA) ship dead else I cant support you then you will be surprised how many listen. No one wants no plane support the entire game. Although trying to budge a hiding Mino and bow-on Des isn't the easiest and another matter. Luckily there isn't that many AA divs around really, a few but not that many considering. Just don't send your planes in and start seeing red mist, you will just stress yourself out mate. Keep your eye on the not-so-go AA ships and hold back until someone brakes ranks. Play the long game. If you lose then fine, the chips were against you in the first place and move on. If you win then what a achievement ay. Div's are here to stay and are great. It encourages teamwork and I am all for that. We all use the tools available to us and get the most out of the ships we are sailing with. Belfast/DD Div's are the same and just as deadly when played right. Don't give up. I know your frustration but roll with the punches. But yes you are right, most of the players pertain to AA divs and they know who they are. Just take a look at the Planes kills on most of their tier 9-10 ships? Even BB's are getting 70+ kills and most of it is down to Div with a good CV player. Some don't even play CV's and can only see things from the end of their AA guns, I would take them with a pinch of salt mate. It's not their fault however and are only using any advantage they can get and are entitled to that. Just don't be that player that gives them a new world plane record. We can all crucify this chap (Op) but we all know what good players can do in a CV div. So cut him some slack for a solo captain, come on.... but OP? Your not doing yourself any favours with the things your saying (Planting seeds stuff). You do need to learn to cope with the CV game play and learn more, but yes it's hard in the meta. Anyway, the CV rework is coming soon so i wouldn't worry too much about it

This. OP should be happy that they didn't have another 8.6 on the other side of the map! 2 minos behind rocks denying half the map is hell to play in. Will get a lot worse mate with the new US CL's coming out. 2 Des, 2 Worcester And 2 mMino's knocking around isn't worth even playing in. And thats just the cruisers.....

If I had a quid every time that happened It's a communication's victory if people actually go to the nominated Caps at the beginning. But alas, even that small scrape of tactics is normally thrown straight out of the window.

Any news on Clan wars?

Pretty much this ^^ Makes it even more of a camping fire support in Clan wars. Even though i don't own one at the moment, I don't hear any complaints about it What i would give for those laser shells at times. Russian Players kicking up a fuss I bet. Buff when none is needed, nice one.

Yup . Remember lads......££££££

UK DD's, it's gotta be. UK Heavy cruiser line split wouldn't be too tasking and interesting. Italian cruisers would be a nice addition. UK CV's, but with the re-work I don't think we will see them that soon. As for Russian BB's? include them by all means, but lets start with at least a line that had real ships in the first place shall we

Only 2 I am remotely giving any thought to is the Haku and Curry upgrades. Rest just doesn't cut it. Concealment and getting hit less is life to most ships. WG really missed the boat...Again. I agree with @Gojuadorai they should have created different play styles. Yam is the best example, turning into ever more of a sniper than it already is??