Redcap375

And your right of course. But the duration of life wasn't the question or the problem, the outcome is. So....Does that make it fundamentally right just because it takes longer to kill something? My opinion is no. And your right, any ship CAN sink another ship in the game and that's what i love about the game. Unlike WOT. But your giving more tools to ships that don't need or require them. In doing so tipping the balance. How about we let all DD's pen 32 mm of armour then? By your logic that wont matter a jot will it? As you said, every ship can sink another one right so lets give them all the tools to do so? I think that would go horribly wrong with ships like the Kaba mercilessly penning (not just fire but hard damage) a Alsace, Conq, Republic ect.. constantly at 15+ range. There needs to be a limit on things that ships can and can't do. I personally think DD's should be not be able to pen 32 mm of BB deck armour with 1/4 HE guns! It's a great DD hunter fine. It;s a great Crusier killer too, fine. But draw a line of being a great BB killer to. Only my opinion. DD players, however, wont agree regardless of what i say here.

Ok both sides of the fence here: I both agree and disagree. I Agree with the OP because the DD in question with IFHE (and good, if not longer torp reload) can murder a Battleship with 32 mm. A destroyer should not be able to do that. That is wrong IMHO from a foundation level. Seen this plenty of times and have mentioned this in another thread (one murdered a Iowa from full health on day one). But.. I also disagree with the OP because regardless, he was really out of position and more and more BB players are doing this. Both in relation to the rest of his team and his inability to turn away. Sure, if the DD is within 5km and the BB starts to turn around then that is a HELL of alot of time before the BB player gets out of range = Dead or close to being dead and on fire. But If the DD starting opening fire at max its easy to turn and get out of dodge. So could simply be player (OP) error and blaming someone else. Unless we see WHAT ACTUALITY HAPPENED, we can but guess. My guess is that he tried to shoot it out whilst the DD was in smoke and got ripped apart by doing so, but that just a guess. DDs attacking strengths against Battleships should be their torps, concealment and occasional fire starting abilities. You start throwing raw damage into the mix like this DD can and does, then it's not good for the game. Even against BB moaners. Even the Kaba cant pen 32m deck with IFHE and BB players HATE that ship. Remember about the "Casual players" that only want to sail the ship and shoot things. Seeing a Battleship evaporate by a DD isn't great business. And yes the DD has weakness and moves like a truck, but not enough to compensate for the Strengths. Fantastic damage output, ROF, good torps, usable smoke, High HP, very good AA for a DD? All the thing that make good players shine even more (like a belfast). And it shreds a Gearing like nothing else and will shred the new tier 10 RN too. It's a DD, Cruiser and BB killer all rolled up into one hull. By-the-way i do not own one so take this as you will. However, I regularly Div with 2 (new) Haragumo players. I would keep everything else BUT would remove the 1/4 HE rule on it.

This and "Fur Elise" the only Piano song that i can play on the Piano True story. Very few CV players use even the most basic skill....Strafe. Never mind 2-3-4 or 5 fingers to use, they simply cant even get the most basic CV mechanic right or at all. This one "skill" gives CV players a MASSIVE advantage over the other. So....Their either: 1) Cant be bothered to use it 2) Don't know how to use it 3) Don't use it because they are no good at it So you found that next level up too hard for a casual game such as this? Is that what you are saying? Just wondering.

Oh and well done for keeping cool in chat. A true CV player.

@Cpt_Sagnik...... Being a CV captain will always incur the wrath of the gods. We/you are expected to do everything humanly possible to help your team and for most, this is extremely hard. Spotting, Sinking enemy ship, keeping the enemy off your own ship and so on and so forth. IMHO my following observations: Yam player for a start 1) He a Yam player with no, and i mean no AA spec skills what-so-ever (his max planes kills 9). Hes a floating brick and even with a good torp belt that the Yam has, 2 x 6 sets of tier 8 Torp planes are going to hurt. He went for a pure tank build. He took a chance that many many players do in this game yet rage when things don't go their way. He failed to invest any points into AA skils, Flags, upgrades or mods at all. So he knew as soon as the battle scene came up and seen an enemy CV he was in trouble. His only form of defence was either his team surface team mates or the CV player (you). So not only do you have to look after a Kur as it's a prime target for AP bombs but now the Yam too. If they are spread apart then that job is very difficult. Not including the rest like spotting, supporting DD's ect.... MOST players who play this game think about themselves and even though it should be technically more of a team game than randoms, it's not as people fight to keep their starts like vultures. It's a shame that you haven't got the replay as i would love to see what your friendly Worcester did and how he helped with the "plane problem". My guess if they he played his own game and streamed off to find the nearest Hill to fire behind. Leaving both BB's. CV MM 2) The first thing you see as a CV player is the AA capability of both sides. You had a enemy Montana (best AA of tier 10 BBs) and a Republic which can be brutal regarding AA (all those 100 mm). On your team you had a Kur and Yam....Hummmm, bit one sided. I know which 2 BBs I would of picked if i had the option and it wasn't your team . Yams are nearly always Spec for tank builds and guess what? So are Kur's...Monty is normally a bit of both and so is the Republic, more muti role ships. So even stock with no AA skills at all, the enemy BB's had ALOT better AA then your team did. I would have stated that at the start and asked them to bear with me. Zao's go from being an alright target (manageable) to being AA monsters. Defensive AA and AFT makes a huge difference and if the enemy team has 2 AA spec Zao's then good luck. Press that button within 4.5-5 km and watch your tier 8 planes drop like flies. Your only saving grace ship is the Worcester. Hands down the best DPM AA of tier 10 cruisers with defensive AA. But if hes a solo player and doesn't play his support role then hes about as good as T*** on a fish. So......Your team SHOULD know what you are up against and take that into account. It''s not a Kaga in a tier 5 games, it's tier 8 planes in a tier 10 game. Lack of empathy 3) He has no games played in a CV Well, i didn't see that one coming (joke). Another example of someone that doesn't know what it's like to be a CV player. If he did then he wouldn't be sending you that drivel. He also knows what AA can do to a CV player as his Mino has 71 planes killed. Wow. Sore loser 4) He also probably a sore loser. He could be both frustrated with the team and himself and those that arnt very good at controlling their emotions see red regardless and flame. Even if it isn't warranted. Ranked is a stressful business and those that really really want to get to rank one become so enveloped in the whole thing. He might just has been letting off steam and you, the CV player, is a prime target of criticism. We always will be hence the rework. Full of S*** 5) Not only did he say he plays CV (He certainly doesn't) but he hasn't got a WR of 70+ but 65+. Hardly a creditable chap is he. Summary Shame you haven't got the after battle report. I can see that the enemy CV got 2 kills in, can i ask how? You could kill all the planes in the world but if the stars are aliened for the enemy CV and those AP bombers found their way to your Kur and/or torp bombers then alot of good work comes to nothing. The Zao can go from full to nothing with AP bombs around (deck armour). But that is the life of a CV captain. I have killed SIX ships before and still lost in a CV. You butchered 54 planes, sunk a ship and managed to get quite a few hits in against mostly heavy AA ships. So i wouldn't worry about it at all mate. His comment about keeping his star summed it up really. HE'S A FOR HIMSELF KINDA PLAYER. ..Do you really think that WR is the ultimate basis of evaluation? NO, and i have said this in many threads. Too many factors involved to base WR off. LIke OP premium ships, class favorites, grinding other lines and unicum divs. ..Do you really think CV should be blamed for the loss of a team if the opponent CV is a pro? NO, but you need to feel comfortable in a CV. If you think your not that good in a CV or still learning then ranked battles is not the place to "get gud". Too much at stake for some players and Cv's are influential in small games like ranked. Not worth the hassle that you received in that example. ..Do you think a guy with 47% wr cannot play a CV? NO, but like my comment above, maybe Ranked is not the place for 47% WR CV's. Just saying. ..And do you really think only a guy with 70+ is qualified to play a CV? NO, take myself with a 58% WR for example. We will never learn if only guys with high WR play CV's.

Should have got the gold back when they gave you the option after the smoke change. Sold the Kuts but kept the Belfast. Don't play it much now-a-days tho.

Kids...

That was one of my points about how people obtain their WR. So lets rewind to the OP's original post..........Now we have read it. My point in all of this is that you cant take Someones WR at face value. The original OP stated that high WR players were slagging people off where most of them didn't have any right to. As some lower WR players are actually alot better, due to the aspects i have already mentioned thought this thread. @mariouus( if i can be so bold), is a great example. He is a fantastic player that would put many 65% to shame. That many games playing solo only with only one of this top 5 played BBs being a premium and not a OP one too is unbelievable. Playing all tiers with an equal mix of cruisers and Battleships has earnt him his stripes. Unfortunately, the arguing stated when i attempted to use another persons (friendly poster) and Myself stats to prove the point. I stated that I have got to 58% because I use a mix of Premium ships, Div's and stay at middle tiers more often than not. If i didn't then my WR would be alot lower. However, a certain member refused to except that their WR was caused by these factors and although good players, wouldn't have the WR they have if it wasn't for things like Premium ships, Unicum div mates, Middle tiers, playing a lot of a certain class and ship. Didn't help that he was trying to defend the honour of his clan which he though I somehow violated, which i obviously hadn't. . I have already offered to shake his hand and he refuses. Life's too short. In hindsight, I should have know better to go there in this environment regardless if i was right or not. So...... Even tho both @mariouus and i share the same WR, he is infact the much much better WOWS player than i am by a good margin, all things being considered. All that one-man-band skill and he still hasn't managed to break the 60%+ boundary yet with all those games and skill? 99% of players need that "extra" push up weather it be going down the tiers, seal clubbing, premium ships or divs. So next time, OP, when a high WR player slags you off and tell you to "get gud" then don't always take him for being fanatic himself. You might be better than he is. Too many people defend their WR like it's life and death and feel offended when someone tells them " your good, but not THAT good".

Who the hells Stats are you reading????????????????? First of all type in REDCAP375...Then you can get back to me an apologize. 2 Fiji 7 U.K. 537 67.6% 1 508 55 921 1.27 1.19 Details 511 then .....You do know what that single number means right? and it's not your amount of battles... it's the tier? Don't turn this into a slagging match kid as the OPs original post was valid. I bet the rest of you are

Wow, but really no need chap....Too old and honest for this stuff 1) First of all I could have told you anything you want regarding my stats mate. I have even admitted my higher WR is as a result of Div mates and premium ships, hence the point of my first post regarding WR. See where we are coming from? I am under NO illusion, but many are.... 2) Second, just by quickly looking through your post: God knows where you have pulled that those from from? Not a single win in those ships? Lets have a look shall we.... 48 Dmitri Donskoi 9 U.S.S.R. 27 55.56% 1 887 82 118 0.7 1.93 Details 54 Massachusetts 8 U.S.A. 25 64% 1 972 88 820 1.76 2.12 Details 16 Chapayev 8 U.S.S.R. 13 46.15% 1 710 68 447 0.62 0.38 Details Hummm....Regardless, that doesn't change a thing and even if they were crap it just doesn't start well for you. 3) The majority of the things you have said are completely right: Solo Battles 2 396 11 3 man Divs Battles 1 642 31 Ouch....That's twice you've been caught telling porkies. Just ask me next time mate to save face? And i Love divisions. I don't think i would play much if i went solo again. From time to time but have a guess why it's so high? Yeah I AA spec most of my ships and i play.......CV's. A broken class that you have never played a single game in? But that's you opinion so fair enough. Under certain circumstances your right, A Kaga in a tier 5-6 is the most destructive thing on earth. But most arnt. Skill counts for alot in CV's. Give it a try? Completely right. High tiers are both bad for winrates and enjoyment factor like your clan mate has already mentioned. Although I have more tier 10 games than yourself? Merely an observation. Perfect and spot on again. Kaga, Taiho, Sharn, Cleveland and many more are Div builds. But not built around CV's (as you can see, few CV's at all in our clan ) but because i enjoy playing them and think they are BETTER. Love how you missed those out as premium ships being used as that would again confirm my argument that premium ships increase WR. Go the whole way, don't just pick and choose. Perfect and spot on again. Crap in those ships but i enjoyed the Fiji. So.......Yeah? You cant just pick and choose lad. Just go the whole hog? Yet you decided to leave out: Shokaku 8 Japan 155 59.35% 1 843 63 846 1.39 22.75 Details Lexington 8 U.S.A. 102 60.78% 2 565 79 776 1.84 5.91 Details Hosho 4 Japan 29 58.62% 1 555 48 979 1.1 8.97 Details 56 Hakuryu 10 Japan 24 62.5% 1 447 95 749 1.63 26.13 Details But yes those that you have mentioned i have poor WR, Damage and XP for, no doubt. Sooooo...All that you wrote really wasn't necessary at all. I have no problem with my stats and as open as a book. It's only a game remember. I can see that you wanted to defend your clan mate and you thought i was slagging off your Clan mate. Which i obviously wasn't and you know that. Now i'm not gonna do the same for you, leads to tit for tat and too old for that S***. But do you think you could be as brutally honest as i have been? Like why your WR went from 51% to 70%? Could it have something to do with 2 or 3 man divs? Maybe? Premium ships? just saying...Leave it up to everyone reading this thread. Considering like you have just stated the Fiji is considered by many of being OP? pssss, you have 700 game in it so might have been better to have left that comment out, but fair play for honesty. If i was their in person i would be shaking your hand and telling you that its only a game and i have never sought to belittle anyone (some trolls just deserve a punch ). You have a good clan with a mix of players which is always nice to see. Lets leave it at that...Just because i have a 58% does not mean i'm good on the surface.

Mine was worse mate. Without my Div mates I would be sitting at 54% ish right now. I enjoy the Teamplay aspect of the game and Clan Battles. Without that i don't think i would be playing the game much to be honest.

Precisely, My WR has increased because I div with other players and play Premium ships! Ill let the "Carry" comment go as i know what you really mean. Has the penny dropped yet? good. And after another 500+ games in your current clan yours will too now your not going solo. Its already gone to 64% after 504 games? bye-the-way you was a very good player even before div work Oh you've added (edited) some more stuff: Take a look around, most are following. No worries. Because they are influential. They are multipliers. Too many people care about WR and most don't look at peoples stats when playing against people the OP has been referring to. Only their WR which i have said all along don't mean S*** due to factors like Divs and such. IMHO

Yet again you completely missed the point. You just reinforced it

Charming I think you do, just don't wanna admit it...It's alright and perfectly natural. We have the same WR so yeah, you and me both ay? I've been carried a few times and looking at yours, you too. Tut tut. I'm sure most do, but few like to admit certain aspects about it and how they achieved that. I on the other hand couldn't careless and know why i am at my current WR. But the whole thread was about WR and higher stat players attitudes. What i've been saying is that quite a few "higher stat players" don't deserve the title and those that haven't got great WR do. Don't get me wrong, we all earn our individual stats. It's all about the inner stats that mean a thing. A solo player with nothing but Silver ships, who plays all classes, at all tiers, are the true great WOWS captains. see ya, holiday time!

The point, which has obviously gone over your head where others haven't, is that when you Div with some same stat chaps, either 1 or 2, your stats stay the same or slightly rise to a point. When you don't, like going solo or div with lower WR chaps it will more likely stay current or go down. And when you Div with higher WR chaps they will more often than not, rise. basic stuff right. This along with all the factors i've previously mentioned regarding seal clubbing, less high tier games, preferred ship and class and not grinding others, Premium ships and Div compersitions accounts for a persons WR. Basically it's not as simple as "he has a low WR hes S***" or "he has an awesome WR hes great". Some people might have higher WR's than normal just because the other 2 dudes are carry him most matches. So having a WR more than you actually deserve to be blunt. Someone else seems to believe that too: I think the majority would agree At the end of the day....It's only a WR chaps, not worth losing sleep over.

(laugh), Nope. I am the worst DD player ever so stay well clear of them if i have to. Play them time to time tho, just not very good. But i know where you are coming from regarding capping (like last night games). They seem to be more and more afrade of capping even when i tell them their is no-one there (CV). I personally have more of an issue with camping BBs who refuse to push and use that sacred armour they have. I was referring to my battleships and cruisers actually. I may have been playing less as a team and more of a solo player if i look hard at myself, potentially? But i'm always the first to support CV's and DD's so maybe not. I think i just need to survive longer than i have been doing recently. Might be getting burned out.

So what is the reason you only have 3 players (including yourself) that is over 53%? What would you tell them or do for them to get over 60%? Honest question? If you started to Div up with any of the other players that wasn't @ForlornSailor or @Cippalippus for a longer duration (500+ battles) then your WR would drop. IMHO. What you have is 3 Unicum players in your clan. Funny enough the same WR and damage as yourself (give or take). So when you div up with either of them or both (as likey) your WR will either max out to where you are (hence 60% like i said) or slightly rise. Take a look at my Clan for instance (CG). Cracking bunch of lads but i am the highest WR in the clan. Will my WR increase? Not really, if it does wont be much. Reason? Because I Div with "normal" players day in day out with WR of about 50 - 53%. We don't have a single unicum player in our clan to play with and "help my stats". Unlike yours where 2 people really stand out well above the rest. If i wanted to achieve higher WR then i would 1) Div with a fellow 58% (cant). 2) Find a Clan that has alot of 58%+ players (don't want to). As it stands i'm at 58% of which i am perfectly happy with. I know i will prob stay at this unless i do some of the things i have mentioned already. I simply don't want to seal club, not grind other ships or change clan/div mates. Your 61.5% is perfectly justified taking into account (don't be offended): 1) Average tier 6.7 (so tier 7). 2) Mostly played BB with great stats is the Missouri (premium) 3) You never ground the CV line really and few DD games. Your a Solid cruiser player no doubt. 4) Most played cruiser the ARP Takao (so premium Agato) 5) Few tier 10 games. So... I would say you tick Most of the boxes chap. Take my honest states for instance, nothing to hide what-so-ever: 1) Average tier 6.9 (same as yours really) 2) Evenly played games in CV, Cruiser and BB. 3) Few games in DD. 4) Most played cruiser was the silver line Cleveland 5) More tier 10 games. So how have i made it to 58% IMHO: 1) Premium CV's with AA divs more often than not. 2) Premium ships some of which are lower tiers. Julio, Belfast, Kaga, Saipan ect.. 3) 2500 solo and stayed around 53% with good damage and XP.... until joined div (56%) and Clan, now at 58%. 4) Tier 7 games mostly. I'm not seal clubbing (only when grinding with fellow new members) but tier 7 is hardly the clash of the titans. So..... I fit into less of the categorises then you. If i really wanted to increase my WR then i would seek out the other options and get a tick in the box. It's not a dig mate as i know you and Forlorn are sound and have worked hard for it. Nor is it a stats cockfight as you do a good amount of damage on average more and i would say the better player, but IMHO WR increase and decrease with the company (or not) you keep, the ships you play, the tier you play at and of course raw talent. Most people will hit a wall at some point in this game. They need something or someone else to help them over it or keep on climbing smaller ones. Who says you have to climb the big wall anyway. WR takes all these factors into account.

Anyone else having the problem of higher damage and XP but Crap WR during the last 2-3 weeks My average damage has never been so high yet my team are STILL losing games. Lets have a look shall we.......... Hummm, 1) my cruiser play is letting me down (getting to grips with the Moskva, not a fan) and although i'm causing more damage, i'm dying sooner and with less actual kills. I need to change tac. 2) i'm div with new members of the clan that are learning the ropes, WR will naturally take a drop because of it, cool. WR are not the be all and end all but they help regarding getting better in this game. They make you look into your gameplay and find out what you could be doing wrong and how to get better. That's how I rate WR, it's a learning tool. Having a WR of 60+ is not hard at all. However, to get that you need to tick most of the boxes; 1) Your favorite line....Tick 2) Premium ship...Tick 3) Perfect DIV combo....Tick 4) Unicum DIV players....Tick 5) Unicum Clan...Tick If you play Solo, Div with "normal" players, Stick to Silver ships and play all lines then your lucky to get a WR over 53%. There was a reason why the Saipan I played against yesterday had a 80% CV win rate? Having a OP ship in a Unicum hands, with 2 Atlanta's in his Div both which were purple players. That one Div in it's self has gave your team a huge advantage, massive infact. Use WR as a tool, not to judge how good someone is. Only upon looking at the "deeper" stats you really know how good someone is.

Played against a OP unicum Saipan player yesterday (in his AA DIV).....And owned him. However, due to the utter stupidity of our team, we lost in the end. He downed 34 of my planes to his 14, but i managed to sink 3 ships to his none. Downing tier 9 planes in a tier 6 plane Kaga is an achievement by-the-way. You know what was one of the telling factors? Something that isn't even mentioned on an WG CV tactics page or what-ever page...Counter-strafing correctly, AKA KNOWLEDGE . What i'm trying to illustrate is that in many ways, new CV players didn't really have much of chance to stick with the line. They were deprived of that vital information that "unicum" players knew about which gave them a massive edge on any CV vs CV battle. This isn't the unicum fault, it was WG. There is a little bit of learning involved in CV play and most didn't want to or couldn't be bothered, but WG has to take partial blame for not providing hardly any information about CV tactics and gameplay. If casual players knew about these kinda things then even the OP Saipan (Which it is) would be brought down a peg or 2. As it is tho, it's a beast that was made legend because he was up against silver line CV peasants that lacked the basic knowledge to even attempt to fight him. It's not like there are many premium ships at tier 7 like other classes but only 2, both of which IMHO are simply better. Premium CV are normally brought by the ones that enjoy CV's and are generally good in them. Few players buy a premium CV if they don't play them or are any good in them, unlike say a Belfast or Sharn that were brought 10 to a penny by anyone. Those that did were 9/10 completely useless and even more of a hindrance than if they would have picked a silver line CV. The kaga planes are made of tissue and SSLLLOOOWWW so a single strafe from any CV and puffff. And a Saipan Captain who doesn't know how to use the broken strafe mechanic it has or Manuel aim, gets bogged down in dogfights and lacks the hitting power of even the Hiryu. So... Unlike a Belfast where even a noob shall we say, can make it work..Giving a noob a Premium CV makes him even WORSE, not better. But giving it to a "good" CV player made him alot stronger. So a casual player in a silver CV comes up against a good player in a Premium CV. That's one of the reasons people quit the CV line. CV weren't the problem. Lack of knowledge (for many reasons, both player and WG) was. IMHO

I know you guys are burning the OP at the stake here, but he has somewhat of a valid point, one of which I have voiced before. Clans are not the issue as you chaps have rightly said that some contain, lets say, a mix of varying skilled players and/or indeed divs. But i have seen alot of games where one side has a massive advantage over the other and for some new players, including old ones, it is a problem. Tonight when your on, add up the WR, Average damage and XP of both teams. You will be surprised to see that the winning side contain a high amount of "Good" Players. One was a difference of 10% WR and 30,000 Damage at tier 9. Thread not so long ago was created and someone posted document evidence of this occurring quite frequently. Now I understand that it's give and take. Sometimes your on the team that is plainly better and sometimes you are not, But IMHO the teams should be fairer than they currently can be. Less frustration over all for everyone. And yes i can see the problems WG could have implementing this, but i believe it's completely possible with current server numbers and what-not. IMHO

I think this is the more accurate of all the replies even thought i would change the word "shitty" for "casual". OP, you really came to the wrong placed regarding good players attitudes regarding casual players but attempting to be unbiased: WR mean something but truly isn't the be all and end all as there are SO many factors determining someones Winrates: 1) Solo or Div 2) Div and/or Clan 3) Very good Clan/Div members/ "learning" members so to speak 4) Mods and aim bots 5) Grind a ship you don't really like 6) Trying a Ship class your not comfortable with. 7) Sealing clubbing with "OP" ships at lower tiers. WR in the scheme of things mean S***. One needs to looking into the players "other stats" to really know how good or bad someone is. I actually find my self getting more wind up now-a-days due to the poor play of players are higher tiers. You wanna know why "Good" players probably died early during the battle? Because 1) He probably knew which cap was best to go to and 2) Could see the writing on the wall and tried to stop it the best he could, resulting in his death in a battle that he knew was lost. I mean he might just have had a off game but more likely than not, he died trying to win. Held a whole flank on my own last night in the Alabama. I knew that I HAD to hold regardless if i survived or not. I could see that I had a team of camping Tirps and both our DD's died extremely quickly. Not one person took advantage of my sacrifice, not one attempted to help me or even try and break out, they just camped in the corner. I could have survived longer and huddled in the corner with the rest but that was futile, quick game and lost believe it or not. After the battle i wasn't shocked to find 2 x Trip players with 35% and 41% WR and awful average damage and a DD player with a hand full of battles and "Brought" his way to tier 8. The other good cruiser player (caught in the crossfire) was flaming in chat telling everyone to move but alas, nothing. One example of the frustrations felt by average/good players. But it's a casual game anyway so i try and not let it bother me, it's just an observation. We have young kids, drunk/stoned people and those with less reflexes (more experienced in life) players playing this game. The only true battles that had good teams and players more often than not is Clan battles. That is the last bastion of any sort of teamwork. I understand where you are coming from but it's give and take. Think of it from the other players perspective? Tier 10 battles should, in theory, contain the best players the game has to offer. Good players want to know that their own team is at least half decent as themselves. So when they see someone with a 42% WR out of 80+ games, in a ship with his HIGHEST damage caused the same as my AVERAGE damage never mind XP, you can understand why they get frustrated with "casual" players at higher tiers. At the end of the day anyone can play any tier they want regardless of skill. WG hasn't put any cap or requirements onto High tier games (because that would be commercially unwise) so this circle will continue. So my honest advice would be for the OP to "Get Gud" or stay away from High tier battles for now, and those that flame you to "Chill out and come to peace with randoms". We are all different human beings that want different things in life. IMHO

2 x Monty, 2 Des, 2 Woster and 2 Mino on the enemy team in last nights Tahio game. Before i could do anything remotely good for the team (apart from the initial DD spots) our team crumbled. 2 ships utterly shut me down regarding helping friendly DD's. As you can imagine, my team did nothing to help this situation whilst their holding all the caps. Times like this i welcome the change to be honest. AA has got out of control. I have always felt sorry for casual solo CV captains.

+ + = Chaps.. They say that skill gap is one of the biggest issues regarding CV captains. So I personally don't think they will include the CV in the battle Doing so would give the CV player MORE to do and that is what has lead us down this rabbit hole in the first place. The taking off and landing of only one set of planes at a time? Would it be worth it? Plus i can see CV sniping a real issue at the moment if fighters are only assigned to an area and not player controlled. Simply gang up on a single CV within a Div. Casual players don't like running out of planes as it is, do you think they will stand it being sunk at the start? Nope, i think they will keep a constant loop of planes coming in from the map border as it's simply more user friendly. They will probably claim it's more RL too (rightly so) as CV's were never in the think of any battle if they could help it. I hope they do as the work they put into the CV pixels are visually beautiful, but controlling planes and moving a CV around to map is multitasking, hence skill gap increase. We/you are no longer a ships captains, we/you are pilots. IMHO

Sure bring them into the game. But not before a Norwegian one as a mark of respect. IMHO. Italian and Dutch should be next.

You hard core Bast*** you The ones that really spring to mind is the Myogi, Donky, Buddy, Tahio and the Independence. Köningsberg for a while until they nerf the shell arc. Rest are premium ships to be honest. I don't keep ships i don't like. The Moskva might be the next ship for sale as i really cant get on with it.