Redcap375

Looks like a bug to me mate.

Roma is one of those ships i don't fear what-so-ever. I can normally tell that a Roma is shooting at me as i can see splashes in the water. That about sums it up for me. But my god is she a looker

Amagi is all about the MAIN guns. Both accurate and heavy hitting. Please please do not secondary spec it lad. With no turtle-back armour, Secondary AP and lack of secondary range will get it's self killed in a brawl. Tier 8 MM really means tier 9-10 games and if German BB's with 11.6 km are struggling to get into secondary range due to the meta do you think the Amagi has a chance? The Amagi works better at range. I would change PM to Catapult Aircraft or have 2 1 pointers if you must (with FP). Preventative Maintenance is so-so on a BB that only have main guns as weapons and having 2 aircraft is the difference between life and death when you see a tier 8-9-10 CV. Trust me, I know. Plus you have main armament mod 1 anyway to help. AR rush mate. It's such a steal for 2 points. Faster firing hard hitting guns? Yes please. EM is one of those skills and down to personal preference. Decent call on the Amagi, less so for things like the Iowa and Richy for example. SI and CE are solid choices in the Amagi. Get AFT next then FP. Prepare to meet the tier 9-10 long range HE spamming Meta and FP will help that (Slightly). AFT because it help so much with planes in a Battleship and helps your secondaries. IMHO.

Because all of your comments come from what you know about the game NOW. Your basing it on how the current systems works. Like DD's that rely on smoke? What happened if smoke never existed in an offensive capacity? Because i would have made it that way for damn sure. Now close your eyes, purge what you know and re-boot. Open them again...That's how i would have implemented the game. It is what it is and that's that. You might think it's crap but personally i wouldn't (Like Marmite)

Precisely....but I would also add the tier 10 IJN DD to that list. A DD should not be able to pen, deliver pure HE IFHE damage AND set fires. It's a DD for god sake. Do you like Marmite? Because i love it, but you might hate it. Like i have said multiple times, I totally understand that this is an arcade game. I also aware that from a business point-of-view it might not draw the "masses" into the game as we live in a throw away culture where games are 10 to a penny, but we simply wont know until one is created, we can only speculate. And you are right, Teamwork doesn't really work in games such as randoms but tell me what incentive do WOWS players have to "work as a team"? Especially now all ships can work solo with little support from anything? They don't work as a team because they simply don't need to. I don't need DD support in my Des as i have radar. I don't need torp spotting because i have hyro. I don't need AA support because I'M A DES and i don't need help with this BB as i can burn him alive and AP pen him to death. Another cruiser opposite me? Please... So does this encourage teamplay? Nope. My above comments would be MY idea of WOWS, but i totally understand that it's not other peoples. Just like the CV rework.

Thank you for taking the time to write that.

Plenty of them (the whole line) . But imagine if you take away the torps? Would you still be going around in them with AP? Maybe WG should do a sandbox version. I would to say "they you go, see how the game is without HE". Do it to prove a point and see how it turns out.

It will 100% happen chaps and honestly hope it does soon (from a non Dutch). I would also have a Norwegian Ship in WOWS too at this point. Finish the Italian BB line, bring out RN CV's with rework THEN look at bring out some dutch and Norway ships.

We still have to be careful though as some BB's (Sharn, Richy) need HE to reliably damage other ships in it's class. But i know what you mean and where you are coming from. What I have always been against is the 1/4 rule of RN BB's and more recently the Haru. This was a horrible decision by WG, maybe on the same level as offensive smoke when that first came in. From that moment on, it changed the Teamplay to Solo play. Giving a ship the ability to neglect a whole shell type because not only does HE have a better fire chance but it can also pump out pure damage and Cit other ships, including Battleships. This isnt right for a shell armament that was supposed to be second or "fall-back" to the AP. HE should be used as a weapon when AP just doesn't cut it because the enemy player is being smart or it's a "chalk and cheese encounter". Not as it is now as it's the default weapon of choice for many RN BB's and even ships like the Richy and republic using it more and more. The Lyon is a right little fire starter. The Haru with IFHE and 1/4 is disgusting and goes against everything HE is and suppose to be. Nobody likes being set on fire, but i except that it's going to happen as it's the only thing they can do. But adding pure damage ontop of that in the form of pen damage then the lines start to get a little blurred and we know how easy it is for WG to lose their way. Look at WOT It feels like WG are Gimmick junkies that need to bring more gimmicks to the table in order to keep the casual punters happy. When in fact the more they bring out, the less enjoyment people will get out of it. I'm sure the 90 day retention on this game was down to around 10%. Most players get the game (steam helped and boosted the numbers), play it, get very frustrated with the amount of gimmicky arcade style non RL stuff thrown at them, Sprinkle in the bad MM (as thought by the casual players) and the one sided teams and they....Quit. I know it's not RL....But a cruiser should not be able to kill a Battleship 1 vs 1. As it is at the moment we have ships like the Hindy (1/4 HE pen) killing things like the Richy, Lion, Iowa, Mondy, GKF one vs one. I know, i have her and do on average 110,000 damage per game. Mostly against BB's may i add. I don't even need to torp the thing, just spam it from range. But we will continue to do this because WG wants it to happen until they get the numbers right on the MM. Ok then, what would you do Red This is a pipe dream Ladies and gents, i know this and there is no way WG will change it. Its an arcade game and i completely understand it, it's not a simulator. Cruisers should be 2 to 1 Battleship. 2 DD's to 1 cruiser. If unbalanced then take the lowest demonator first (the DD). BB BB CA CA CA CA DD DD DD DD DD DD Ship changes All DD's would lose their fire from invis torp ability, period. You want torp a ship you do it the old fashion way like they used to. You had to smell their paint work until you unloaded the beasts. It took balls being a DD captain and many where lost to such feats but sinking a BB was the price if needs be. Take away the long distance shells from cruisers. A BB should ALWAYS out range a cruiser. In doing so, take away that stupid rule where BB's have better concealment than Cruisers. If nothing else because it's dumb. HE would do fire damage only to BB's. Not pen them too. Increase the BB dispersion of BB's to Richy levels. Not the same as that brokenly OP ship the Stalingrad where you have BB guns with cruiser accuracy or laser Yam shells. As Above so DD's don't get instantly deleted by Yam shells. It was extremely hard to hit a moving DD with BB shells, period. Smoke is PURELY defensive. That's the route i would have went down if i had designed the game. But alas, like i said, it's not anything like this now and never will be. It's a popcorn and nachos game and i get that as it is WG at the end of the day. It's the best ship game we have at the moment on the PC and i do enjoy it, mostly, but if you made a game like this then i would swap to a more team orientated game in a heartbeat. IMHO

Ok. Lets pretend we have taken HE out of the game.. Now what are cruisers going to use today to damage Battleships then? Torps? Those that are very lucky to have the range longer than their concealment, which isn't many at all. What about the ones that don't have have torps at all? You know how long it takes a Fiji to kill a Gne with AP rounds when it's steaming at it? A long time. There is a reason why the whole RN cruiser line has workable torps, because without them they would be completely stuffed against Battleships. What about DD's? When your torps have gone what have they got left to annoy BB/CA players with? Can we imagine a DD firing nothing but AP shells at an incoming Kurfurst? The game NEEDS HE at the moment as AP on 1/2 of the ships isn't an option. It will exclude a classes ability to damage something that isn't their main food chain. If you took HE away then Battleships would become extremely OP in this game. That Hindy can fire all the German AP it wants against a bow-on YAM at 15+, but the moment the Yam gets eyes on..It's dead within 2-3 salvos. Giving it HE gives the Hindy a fighting chance that isn't a suicide torp run from 12.4 km.

Many thanks, LWM is a fantastic reviewer of ships and she is still going strong, but it's refreshing to hear other peoples opinions at the coal face. For example, LWM prefers the Torp build (Just) for example and says that it doesn't stand up well against a Farragut . Would the TA (Torp acceleration) skill make them more useful in the B hull? Come now, your telling me you haven't received a free ship yet?

It's a very good ship. Lets get that out the way first. It hits like a truck (when it does hit), Fantastic cruiser concealment, Great Torp belt, half AA spec can cause CV's alot of troubles and full AA spec is just WOW, It turns like a light cruiser, is small and compact for a BB and It's great for tanking damage. That is alot of positives The only true negative for the whole ship is the accuracy of the guns which is so-so. I'm sure you knew all this anyway....But i wanted to highlight that it's not the ship that is bad, not saying you are bad too, just that the ship isn't. But the above positives helps you negate the accuracy problem for the majority of the time. You can get stuck in, fire from invis and disappear again quite easy. 9 US Heavy BB shells from this thing wreaks face. Or you can Bow-on tank whilst giving fire support. Use that HP as i found it can take a pounding from the majority of tier 8/9 BB AP. It's a great Mid range ship than can get stuck in when required. NEVER play this thing at max range. RNG is what it is. You will miss more than most in the Alabama but when they do hit, they really hit. The Massachusetts is even WORSE regarding accuracy and that a great ship too when played by it's strengths. Basically get stuck in and don't be afraid in it. Shes tough and agile which are hard to find in BB's. I Spec mine for AA nightmare and it melts even tier 10 planes. Midway torp planes no problem Alas, since i got the Massachusetts I haven't used the Alabama since. It's basically an Alabama plus IMHO. If you Div with a CV then the Alabama would be my first choice but all other Div combos then the Massachusetts is better regarding a BB. Sometimes you just cant make a ship work however hard you try and RNG just goes against you....Penscola and NO was my dead ducks. So i believe you when you say your having bad RNG luck as a lot of people like them (not many tho). 23 games is still early so give it time. Remember, it's your only US battleship and those shells take some getting used to. Its not like going from IJN, German to French ones shell velocity wise, it's rainbow arc time and completely different . Hope it helps.

Just bumped into @OttoZander in his Yueyang and the TTT Chaps on the same team in the Richy, waving the flag for the tier 8 massive again. The MM was simply horrible for the enemy team and we pretty much wiped the floor with them and lost only a single ship. More so with a Stalingrad in our team too. Chap. P.S. Finished the Richelieu grind and it was a enjoyable ship all in all. Great Tanker of damage but also nimble, IMHO.

Yeah, they are often decided before the game even begins doesn't it? I mean what games do you enjoy the most in clans: The ones where you meet a league lower Clan team where you proceed to curb-stomp them or the ones of equal skill where it's so intense that a single ship lose could be the difference? You and i know full well that losing one ship against an equal team does not equate as a lose. infact, you have a very good chance to pull it back. Where a not-so-good team will cave in a hell of alot quicker if they lose a single ship. The same principle applies in Randoms

It might not prevent it, but it certainly curbs it. That effect would be even more catastrophic if the less skilled team lost a ship in the early phase.

What sounds better to you as a casual player? RANDOM match making? Or FAIRER match making? I know which one i would click on to go into battle.

You know my opinion chaps regarding the matter, i'm with the OP and it's been mentioned yet again. Hes not moaning and his/her writing is quite polite. Hes just like anyone of us. I don not like the current MM. Being on a steamroll team or being steamrolled yourself isn't fun. Both sides should be more or less equal in skill. Not prefect but alot better than it is now. Bumped into @Tyrendian89 (Alaska) 2 nights ago and and this div mates and said "hi" to a fellow forumite. My first comment (which he will remember) was " wow, nice MM". What i was saying was that his team consisted of 2-3 Div's of very good players, i mean 60+ players. Mine on the other hand had me as the highest WR (58%) which isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. Our lowest was 43% with 4000+ games. The fact that they had 2-3 Div's in their team, Very good div's too and we had, well, casual players? didn't go well for us. We got annihilated with little I could do (finished middle if i remember trying to hold the centre in the Des). Even exchanged a few shot with matey boy (Alaska AP shells hurt but not that bad as i was angling). The argument of "well sometimes your on that side of the fence, sometimes your not" is a pretty Blase/defeatist attitude. The only people who seem to defend this massacre attitude are the ones doing the pounding more often than not. Not all, but most. First thing to sort out, BARE MINIMUM is the split up very good divs. 6 purple players on one team is not balanced in the slightest. That's 6 good players working in teams with good comms and skill. That can not be a hard thing to do WG can it? I'm not a computer game designer but come on chaps. With the amount of people on the servers now? easy. After that then a few tweaks but I and many a casual players would be happy if they just sorted this problem out alone. P.s Rank one doesn't not necessary mean that a player is good, only that your persistent in battles of attrition....Put it this way...You could sit a monkey in front of your computer and leave the game running and eventually he will reach rank 1 (infinite monkey theorem). But many rank 1 players are very good, so you cant take away anything regarding a players skill because of the rank he obtained.

Completely agree. Every time i play in a cruiser, the first thought that comes into my head is "Who can i support". See that word support? Yeah, that's what us cruiser captains should be thinking of. That is something I have always applied in WOWS but many many people have forgot. Nothing makes my Div mates more happy (dd players) than seeing a Buffalo, Des ect, behind them whilst trying to take a cap. Knowing they have support and knowing their not going in blind. I love my Hindy but i am REALLY liking the Des since i got it. It's the best example of a support ship there this in this game. In a Hindy then DD support is limited due to it's consumables and concealment (more than the Montana? makes sense doesn't it ). But the Des makes enemy DD's wet themselves and is such a blast to play. Not saying it yet, but i might be a Des convert But well said and i wish other people take it on board.

But they hit hard for it's tier, with very good AA, fast firing Secondaries that pen anything with IFHE, Torps, turtleback armour and TANKS LIKE A BOSS It's a good ship and personally, I really enjoy it. But tier 7 is my fav and I play other ships more now-a-days. But it will steamroll thought nearly all of the tier 7 BB who are foolish enough to camp, go-bow on and take this thing coming towards it.

It get it your not a happy chappy. We all have bad days in the office. So take a deep breath...Now exhale. Better? You can't tar all BB's with the same brush, they are all different to some degree or another. Your talking about a Mix of BB's in your comments like the Yam, Bis, Izumo and Gne, all of which have strengths and weakness. Your only tier 10 BB is the Yam. The ship i hate the most in this game when sailing around in my tier 10 cruisers. You wanna know why? Because regardless if i angle or not i'm eating raw damage if not a straight up pen. Is that fair? Your a BIG ship that turns like the titanic so avoiding torps isn't fun i know, but you have the best Torp belt in the whole game (on par with sister ship) so torps that kill ships like the Kurf pretty quickly, you shrug off quite quickly. AA spec in your Yam or even half? Or you gone for a tank build because if you have then DON'T BLAME YOUR AA OR CV PLAYER! You choice to click "Battle" knowing that your AA isnt very good in the scheme of things. If you really don't like CV's knocking around then how about you put some points on AA then? BFT, AFT, Range upgrade, Manuel AA, flags, all help against say tier 8 torp planes of the midway. A half AA spec Yam does a very good job in keeping some planes away, not full waves but single groups. If you play a BB expect HE. Come on lad your a cruiser and DD player arn't you too? Then you know that throwing bucket loads of AP at some BBs don't do squat! So what do you do? That's right, switch to HE. We all use the tools WG has given us and HE = Anti BB (for most depending on angling). As for the Bismarck and Gne then if your one of those players that camp in the back in a German BB throwing shells at max range then you need to be shot. My spider senses are tell me that you are that kind of player as your damage in both the Bis and especially the Gne is quite low. The Gne is a great ship and have had alot of fun in it but don't play it much anymore (Sharn) and as for it's AA? Hows about 42 planes for you... There is a reason it has torps and turleback armour too mate and it's not for sitting at the back. Now you've played enough games in WOWS so you know the score regarding BB's, so chalk it down to a bad day. I'm sure if you read your comments again you will realise what a ponker you have been on this occasion. WT has turned into such a Bias broken game it isn't not even funny to joke about when you see nothing but Russian tanks/planes in clans. Nearly HALF of our clan have come from WT and they all say the same thing. Took me 4 months to figger that one out and saen the warning signs even earlier.

* That's alot of If's my friend Don't get me wrong i like the Furutaka and enjoy player her but would rather be in the Giulio all things being equal. But the majority of players swing her right round and it's cit is the size of the moon. Even angled BB shells rip through her.

Or he sees it coming and your toast turning broadside. The amount of Tacos that have tried that old chestnut. Anyway no self-respecting Gilulio captain will let you get that close anyway..Just saying. If their is one proper cruiser killer at tier 5 then the Giulio is it. Some people hate the Texas but i enjoy it. lots of Heavy hitting but unreliable guns with fantastic AA that swats even tier 6 planes out the sky. Yes it's slow and in a game with 3 dd would be painful but still an alright ship. Prob not for Ranked tho.

I welcome rank at tier 5 Giulio, Murmansk, Gremmy and Kamikaze (no radar? thank you very much) would be my top picks. It's top territory for a Kamikaze captain, with slow moving prewar battleships eating torp after torp and no radar to worry about. As for CV's? Nope, Its too mind-numbingly boring at tier 5 due to no strafe and Manuel aim. Plus there easy to avoid with auto aim torps.

True. But that requires teamwork and in randoms you have more chance of winning the euro millions. CB is a totally different as your all singing off the same song sheet and HAVE to work as a team, the reason i still play this game to be honest.

Can't stand Arms Race. This game is already turning into a pure arcade game with the CV rework, that mode turns it to cheese. But that just me, i know alot of people like it which is fair enough.