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Take a brake mate. Lost 7 in-a-row, most with the with Stock Amigi last weekend which was frustrating as it's a solid ship pound for pound (too many overpens for my tastes tho). But then i calmed down and took the following into account: 1) Tier 8 MM (the worst), up tiered in 5 of the games. 2) Stock, apart from upgrades 3) Playing Solo 4) Weekend Adding them all together then it could have been a lot worse. As long as you stay the same (my Damage and XP didn't drop and came first 4 times) then that's all you can do.

Chaps... I wanted peoples opinions on the best secondary build or even close combat brawler BB? Being mainly a Cruiser and CV captain, i want something different and fun regarding BBs. I find this sitting at the back of the map and lobbing shells extremely dull. German BBs are turning that slightly with the more brawler builds, but its still camping city at tier 9+. So, which Ships would you recommend, at any tier but manly 6+? The NAG is my fav at the mo but the armour doesn't lend its self well to drawn out brawls. Anyone experienced anything different with other ships? The new (still?) Gneisenau looks like a lovely close combat BB with the amount of secondary HE throwers and torps thrown in as well as the Bismark of course. Remembering though that the Bismark can get into tier 10 games against the Yam? The NAG doesn't. I want my grinds to brawling perfection to be worth it. Many thanks.

It's a good ship. Trust me But i liked the Richy so....Its a better Richy all in all.

It's a balance ship... So fair enough WG, Well done It has strengths and weakness. Little White Mouse summed it up perfectly as she normally does. I am glad they nerfed the reload, still strong but just right.

True, what a mess ay.

But it's a great solution and it's gets my vote. But your right, it's too sensible.

OP..... It's the worst Tier in the game. Come to peace with it or simply don't play it (which many don't). It's as simple as that mate.

Probably to stop it getting pounded to dust before he can actually get within brawling range, the range that the Hindy is supposed to be suited for which, as it is now, is totally the opposite. Perfect example: My first game in the Jean Bart yesterday and with 3 salvos from my main guns i competly wrecked a Hindy (with reload booster). Left him with 1/2 after 2 salvos and I didn't leave him with much after the 3rd one. Now that's from a low cal tier 9 Battleship. @MrConway please put across that no one wants to be a damage pinata. Especially in a high tier cruiser in this Meta. We are asking this of BB players and we know how that is going? Right on both accounts. Your right, the Zao has taken that spot no doubt and i'm die hard Hindy player. Do we think that giving the Hindy one more heal is going to change the mentally of tier 10 players, more so Hindy players? Nope. If Tier 9-10 Battleships refuse to tank forward with all that armour and HP do we really think Hindy players are now going to because they have one more heal? Do we think it will live long enough in order the use that last remaining heal if it's going to used as a tank? People die in Battleships if they come under constant fire for too long without using even one heal, what chance has a Hindy got when it can get penned by all sorts of things with 27 mm armour? I would give it back it's normal fire rate for a start. It's got German guns for god sake that even if the target is slightly angled, it bounces or shatters. To compensate for this, we need to put more shells in the air. I nearly said God only knows why they nerf it in the first place, but i kinda know why ££££££. People are using it as a half arsed HE spammer because it gets away with it. If you want to turn this into the tank-of-all-cruisers then you have to increase it's armour. 27 mm simply does not cut it, even with turtle back. especially at tier 10 in a cruiser! it's a huge target with worse concealment than the Zao, Mino and Des (12.3). Battleships have better concealment Pushing in tier 10 matches takes balls. Pushing alone in a cruiser is such a bad idea is funny talk and trying to corroborate with other team mates is practically non existent. A Well aim salvo from a Yam or Masu can take most of your health away from just like that, most health you cant get back via a bloody heal. Regardless if it's bow on or not, your eating alot of damage like any cruiser. WG are basically admitting that HE spam is getting out of control which we all know about. If they wanted to make this live longer and tank then the would increasess it's armour, not a overtime consumable which hardly anyone will take advantage of. Since the nerf and buffs regarding tier 10 cruisers, has anyone seen that many Hindy in Randoms? Nope. Nowhere near what they used to be and i don't blame them. I switched to the Des (grinding the line anyway) and not looked back since. Give it more armour if you want a cruiser to tank. Too many things in this game with big guns and they are becoming faster firing too. If WG really wanted to rein back the damage then they should have nerfed the Fire chance or it's 1/4 rule. That's were the Hindy made most of its damage up, not the AP which is a shame because that's what this ship should be using more. After getting the Des, I truly know where real AP damage comes from (every 4.9 seconds (without AR) with auto bounce). It's gone from being a player friendly ship and well liked to being left in the dirt. WG royally screwed up and completely lacked foresight.

Agreed. I'm sure he is. I admire your ability to read between the lines and respond with well thought out comments, i can tell you have a PhD in life. Very good wordsmith skills with a hint of whitty retorts which remain relevant. Your my first follower in 4 years. Regarding the Jean Bart....It's a good ship (brought it with saved coal)

This ^^^^^^ I have said this over and over again. Same model Games Workshop use and most games. It happened to the Hindy (too many people playing it) and it's now happened to the YY. No one can ever say the YY is OP, just like the Hindy. Our Gearing DD players minces them up quite quickly (deep water torps) Getting sick and tired of WG mentality ££££££££. They will implement this, it's a forgone conclusion. This has come from the top.

*edited* Posted by @Rautainen_Biisoni Hello, I've been a veteran of this game since the beginning and while the game has received a lot of good content the game is really not a pleasant experience to play for the top 25% of the players. We are forced to play with the bots and players far below our own skill level. Not talking about Clan Battles but about normal daily gaming. I remember playing CoD modern warfare 1 and we had our own server. That game became plagued with hackers. Our server was mostly clean when we could kick out the hackers. It did get really tiresome when on daily basis you were looking for hackers and trying to get rid of them. Same thing happened with CoD MW 2. Hackers ruined the game and players abandoned it. This game is now plagued with bots that we can't get rid of. Only WG can. Players skill levels are so far apart but we are forced to play together. Add bots to that mess. It's is very unpleasant for many. You don't see expert chess players playing with 4 year old kids unless its christmas or a family dinner. They try to play with people of their own or higher level. To fix many of these issues I suggested to allow people with high PR to play separate from those of really low PR. Just as an option. Keep the whole playerbase but allow experienced players to play with their own level. I honestly got to take a long break. This weekend was just so horribly unpleasant with the bots and low PR players. WG, Good job with the content over the years. I hope you guys take care of this gigantic problem. Posted by @nambr9 Funny to see all the "bye-bye" gif posters having their private accounts. The man has a point. The game is less and less enjoyable .... I dont even want to spend any money on premium account. Got a bunch of T10 ships that I dont even want to play, the retardeness in the game is beyond belief, power-creep, RNG, MM ... all this things make fun of the player. Worst of all are roflstomps, either on a loosing or on winning side. Last day my team disappeared withing minutes ... I was like, wait a minute ... no wonder. Enemy had 3x3 55%+ divisions, while I was in a team where the average was like 42%. I mean ... really? Are this ONESIDED games the future? And dont go RNG again on me ... I am talking about general feelings when playing this game ... and they turned from enjoyable to hate in the last year. I tend to agree, really. Especially the second part. The Clan keeps me playing this at the moment as the last 6 single random battles were just painful. I mean a really painful experience. Top 4 out of 6 times with the rest top 3 and still lost 6 times in a row. Killed 3-4 ships? Still lost. That's with a stock Amgi too. And yes, 6 is nothing, i totally understand that but the way we lost, with the players sailing around like they only just downloaded to game yesterday in tier 8's was appalling. Top tied in all but 1 game with the balance of Teams in some instances, a joke. I am no unicum, not at all but i like to think i have learnt to play this game well for the sake of my own team. Many don't or have no idea what is going on. "Mate Fire HE, cant pen front"......Fire HE at that bow on Bis"!!!......"Fire HE"....." Fire HE muppet"....."HE HE HE HE HE HE"....."Are you deaf, HE HE HE you cant pen the front"........After 7-8 salvos. And the guy still fired AP until he got sunk by the very thing he was shooting at. That sums up the majority of the players at the moment. That was at tier 8. So this guy/girl/kid got to tier 8 not knowing what ammo to shoot at what and how to even angle. Can be forgiven at lower tiers, we all start somewhere, but at tier 8? Seen worse in some tier 10 matches (Cv's normally). Dear god, 56% solo is good for solo randoms! Cut him some slack. People who live in glass houses springs to mind. Don't blame you not playing solo but i don't think you could get 60/65% WR solo easy, far from it. You haven't played Solo for so long. Even some of OMNI/OM best players struggle to get 60%+ in solo randoms. And here is you saying it would be easy? I rate solo players more than div players, alot. Don't underplay solo games. It is very very hard for a single player to carry a whole game. 3 People in a DIV have so much of a better chance to turn a game it's quite staggering (3 DIV's can hold a whole flank on their own). Better the Div and Div mates the better chance. I like to think that i am a good CV player right? Even i cant completely carry games for the Team with 5-6 ships sunk. Not on my own in solo. *sigh* The OP is a very good player. Now, he's got an elitist attitude which is kinda snobby but at least he has his own point and earnt his strips. He is actually admitting to gunning down peasants and wants to do something about it. He could keep stumped and not say anything and carry on doing what hes doing but he has come here, on the forum, to express his opinion. And *edited* for his troubles. yeah, nice one chaps..... How about we all respect where he has got to and what he has achieved and listen, giving our own options of what he proposed . Instead of basically saying *edited* good riddance" or playing the working class card. If you take in what he is saying then he's trying to help the game out. Elitist attitude or not, he's proposing a good point and i think it's valid. Don't turn this forum into the WOT one which is toxic as hell.

#MakeWGgreatagain This ^^. But i didn't expect anything less whatsoever from this Company. Was going to write a few words explaining this but you''ve summed it up quite nicely Makes you cringe doesn't it. Poor old @MrConway, like a puppet on a string.

@MortenTardo & @xxNihilanxx some outstanding honest comments which i share with both of you. The game had such promise, but money got in the way. Already is.... Already has... Going down.. That's my honest take on the game at the moment. If you would have asked me those same questions 2-3 years back and I would have no to every single one. Well, I suppose the thread will get closed now anyway. Cheers

Oh i did I thought you would say that. We will never know then will we

See you in a years time with a 65% WR then. Makes a difference not being anchored by 2 AA ships.

^^ Totally agree. They are wrecking the game peace-meal. The sad thing is that it never used to be like that, it's also sad living through what it's turning into. This is not a whine, just an observation from someone that is holding onto the game with his fingernails. Using smoke as an offensive weapon? Giving BB's strong HE? Radar/Hyro/Defensive AA on everything? Giving the Yam more accurately with LM? More and more unique captains that put people further and further apart? More and more gimmicks? Promised myself to grind the RN DD line after what, 4 years of hardly touching the line and i truly understand what they go on about regarding radar. Even though i always understood as i play radar cruisers. You can spend a whole game being nothing but radared. It's hard as a decent player, imagine what casual players are going through? I know because our new clan mates are saying the same thing. Wanting to push and have a good game only to be ablitereated by radar. Where is the fun in that? Nearly as bad as tier 10 Camp fests. Will CV rework and subs bring it back? I truly hope it will but IMHO no. Dumming down game play for graphics isn't a long term goal and subs will create sorts of problems. But it will initially bring in the masses and make them spend money. And that's exactly what WG want. God this sounds so negative and i'm trying to stay optimistic, really, but more and more gimmick and strong XP/Steel ships are stripping that way. I think it's turning into a cartoon if you know what i mean. DD's that pen Battleships, Battleships that single handly take out DD's and cruisers, and cruisers that just burn BB's to death with Penning HE damage. 2 Years time and i bet my mortgage we will have a gimmick that allows navalseals boarding a BB from a rubber dingy from a sub. WG, @MrConway, this is not an anti WOWS whine thread but the options of some players, loyal customers if you will, that enjoy the game and want to continue to do so. However, the path WG is taking and have been since about a year ago, maybe a bit more, is making this even more difficult for loyal players to persist. You have brought some good stuff out don't get me wrong. Allowing people to play in Divs, making Clan Battles possible, Bring some "balanced" fun ships out and changing things for the best like ship tweeks that were needed. However, most have been in the other direction. Anyway....I think WG could introduce something that the OP is suggesting. At a single tier (like 10) anyway. Some refuge for players that want to play their equals. It's a win for everyone to be honest. Both good and casual players.

Massive understatement.

Joke. Having to find out like this? About sums it up to be honest.

That's fresh..

Just lost 6 in a row. 5 with Stock Amgi in tier 10 games (MM, yeah). The amount of over pens even against Battleships is extremely surprising in this ship. The amount of camping that is taking place is killing the game right off for me. High tier games arnt fun anymore. And sort this tier 8 match making out. I know they wont, ever, but it's always good to ask 6 in a row? unheard of chaps.

Holding off coal until I know the score with the 3 new ships. Then I will decide.

How may people in this thread right now? Yeah, Hamsters are dead..Don't rob us of top now as RNG gods are smiling at us at the moment.

Not brawling, but SUPPORTING. That "Drama" is a god send to that DD in your div when you light up the enemy DD up like a Christmas tree. Radar more often then not, wins games.

I know how you feel. Without going through everything like 32mm armour ships you see, arcs of secondary fire, my training room experiences and all that jazz, IMHO ill sum it up: It's something different. It's one of the only ships that can really hurt (direct damage) almost everything with it's secondaries alone. DD's, Cruisers and BB. Their like machine guns too when fully spec. So why not use that to spice things up. Yes it's not optimal in this meta, but it's fun and that's what it's all about. Not the fun as in it's also crap, because those secondaries can do SO MUCH damage. But there is nothing better than brawling in a Battleship or raining IFHE fire on some poor Montana that is bow-on and just taking it like a punch bag. My brawling BB's (or Half) Kurf: With IFHE, why the smeg not. Yes there is alot of Yams and it's little sisters at the moment (nearly immune to it) and the meta with Spam, but it's something different. In a game full of Montana's and such you will have a field day. Massa: With IFHE so you can hurt cruisers as well, sorry MELT cruisers. Republic: Without IFHE because of the very high fire chance. Plus your more inclined to snipe with it's guns more than the other 2. I'm having a blast in the Republic and that is a great all-rounder. It has defiantly taken my Tier 10 BB slot and not taken the Kurf out much now-a-days. Reason i'm mentioning this mate is because if you like a "Hybrid" BB then I would highly recommend it. It's not restricted to certain types of captains skills and you can spec it for Secondary, AA, sniper, Tank and all of the above.