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But like you have just said mate "Theoratically". That's not an even-footing in essence. See where i'm coming from? It will get worse when the other ships come out. Please, this is not saying that people haven't earnt it as they/you bloody well have with ranked and missions, but we can not claim that it's a even footing anymore in Clans. We just can't. Whats funny is that good teams will still beat the not-so good teams regardless of what ship their in. WG have now gave us BETTER tools to do this with, hence the wider gap being created. Steel ships HAVE to be very strong else why would people waste the time grinding them in the first place? But added them into Clans was a very bad idea.

"Counter Strategy"??? Plane Kills: Cleveland: 54 Texas: 32 Gilio: 21 Mino: 31 Lion: 47 NC: 31 Alabama: 36 Massa: 24 Gne: 42 Sharn: 29 Kuts: 28 Des: 30 Buff: 29 Atlanta: 50 Hipper: 29 Bis: 24 FDG: 30 Kidd: 27 Sorry, did you mention sometime about "Counter strategy". That's not including WASD or support from any other ship. I have never understood peoples problems with the old CV''s. It's still in testing so hopefully things will change, but i'm not holding my breath i'm afraid.

What i mean mate is that if you have the money you can buy yourself a better ship. Had a great reply from someone who owns one which summed it up nicely (will post it later). Ships Like the Kaga, Saipan, Belfast ect.... Everyone, including those that own both,agree it's a better Moskva, which it is and the stats completely prove this. And the Moskva is a STRONG ship in the first place. Soon we will have 3 tier 10 premium ships that can be played in Clans. How can anyone say that Clan Battles is on a even footing (captain skill aside) when people can buy other ships?? Take a look at WOT and/or WT. Premium tanks destroyed WOT and Russian Bios (which is comical) destroyed WT. I don't want it to happen to another WG game like this but it already has. I only care because I have enjoyed the game since it was released but look whats happening mate? We can all sit in ivoly towers looking down and contuine to do what we are doing, but it's not good for the game and only widens the gap. Turning into a greedy cash machine. It didn't start like this chaps. But what did i really expect. Randoms is Randoms and PW2 is built into the game so i except this. But Clans is different and was the last bastion of fair ships and play. Not anymore.

And what did you expect? Do you think for one second that casual players will play this if they are subject to the same level of AA we have now?? Not one will and many don't because of that reason as well as skill gap. And people where STILL moaning that CV's were OP. You know when you used to press that magical button and all those nasty planes evaporated? Well now they are still buzzing around your head setting you on fire...Constantly. Or when that CV missed that Bomb/Torp drop on you and had to re-load? Yeah, i'm still buzzing around your head with ammo to last a lifetime. They have taken away the skill gap and made it into a freak show for consoles. BATTLESTAIONS MIDWAY mk2. And when you have TWO CV players ganging up on 1 DD? It's a sorry sorry sight. Alot of people asked for a rework because they, god know, thought CV's were OP without even playing them. "So yeah, the majority of players asked for this rework." Play a few CV games now in middle/high tiers and get back to me with how it's going (your highest is a tier 6). You need to experience it . Coming up against a Buddy with defensive AA is a completely different kettle of fish compared to even tier 8-10 Battleships, never mind Cruisers.

This ^^. Agree and came to the same conclusion when playing them. DD's are easy so the amount of rage CV players will get now is going to be comical. Oh well, the majorly of you asked for the rework so here it is Better the devil you know sometimes.

Funny that both teams have them though.Lol Can believe this game has turned even Clans into P2W. Cant wait for the other 2 tier 10 Premium ships to come out. Anyway, good luck everyone in Clan battles (meant in a good way, not a sarcastic one)

First 7 games were Stalingrad heavy with the last ones less so, max was 4. At least most have gone up into the next league now. All were very good Clans so sums it up.

Anyway, enjoying Clans at the moment and glad it's back on.

Dear god....I mean one example: @Juggernauthz Can you please enlighten us regarding your Stalingrad vs your Moskva stats please? You are a good player and hope you don't take this personally but your a prime example. Because saying "just like a Moskva" is a massive understatement. Those that own this ship wont admit it which is human nature, I get it, very few truly care about balance and only defend their patch of grass. But when you have players that own it, including people like Flamu, ichase and the like saying it's OP then maybe.....It is. Don't worry i will have it soon and will happy share my stats with it

So like a Moskva then.. And that been dealing with its apparent downsides without a problem so far. However, this is a Moskva mk2...it's far Superior. Just look at the server stats. Hell, even look at everyones own stats that own both a Mosvka and a Grad. You will see that their Grads 9/10 have better kill ratio, Damage and WR. Oh and it has Auto bounce AP remember, the Moskva doesn't. Oh and more Hp and heavy hitting guns not to mention the higher fire chance... And there is the problem that throws Clan Battles balance out of sink.. Your bring Battlecrusiers to a mainly cruiser battle. Like bringing a SA80 to a pistol fight with distance being the name of the game. Perfect Battlecrusier territory. However, this is only available to a select few at the moment and hence why i am against it in prinalbe. Nothing at all to do with me not owing one yet (after this clans i will tho). Make it a "loan" ship so everyone can make their own minds up. If it's not OP or elitist then open it up to the masses. Do you think WG will ever do that? 2 Grads? May i ask if you won that game? Because my bet is that you didn't. And your in a Clan like DAVY, hardly a push over. Now think about the majority of casual clans that come up against 2 of these?? Not good. They probably used them on the safe cap firing across to the contenting cap. I.e their concealment not being a issue. You wanna push the safe cap then you gotta push against 2 Gards...Not easy at all. *sigh* We are painting a bad picture to other Clans. Casual players and clans are being knocked around against these things and it's becoming an in-house joke. How can we then say everyone has a fair chance with a ship that only a few players have (lets be honest right now). With the release of the French tier 10 BB what is this all turning into?? P2W. Something that i never never, never thought would happen to tier 10 clan battles is now happening and it's here to stay. Money and greed has got it's way again. It happened to WT, even more so with the crazy Russian bias going on (IS3 lol) and it's here in WOWS. It was only a matter of time i suppose. Such a shame, it really is..

This is by-far NOT an OP ship. I am normally the first to chops about OP ships (*Cough* Stalingrad and Hara) but this is quite a balanced one, for Premium ones that is. Its covered in 32 MM and has to be brutally honest, pea shooter guns. Any half decent cruiser player with 27 MM bow doesn't have to worry what-so-ever. That's only the cruisers. It's heal, front facing guns, fantastic AA, fast firing guns and Fire-starting with reload ability makes up for it's short falls. But it's got the lowest HP and eats HE spam from all over the place. This ship lives off potato players that sail around giving their broadsides. If you don't then apart from the occasional HE barrage, it's easy to counter.

But we have researched it on the old system? or doesn't that count for nothing? why would I wanna keep a sliver tier 8 ship when I have now 3 premium ones now at tier 8? I wanna keep the Haku thank you very much..

Thanks mate Wow, some changes there then... Not a fan of the removal of CVs but nothing I or anyone can say to change that. skills and upgrades look alright. So my Essex and Taiho will vanish and I will get the Lex and Sho instead at tier 8 for free? As I sold both of them a long time ago [Enterprise was king]

Chaps..Anymore news on the CV rework? After 5 games i got bored. They badly need more interaction....Badly This right now is graphics over any sort of sustainable game play and that's trying to be positive. I never knew I could spoil anyone's game as much by hovering over them and sink them as I do now. Oh the rage that will come if it doesn't get fixed.

Can't see vid as I'm on my phone but first of all that is incredible MM for tier 8. I genuinely can't remember the last time I went against tier 6 ships in a tier 8 one, really. In those kinds games you need to be in the top 3. More so with a ship like the NC that can one shot a buddy. That massa would have had a field day. See that enemy buddy player coming top? Yeah, that's a tier 6 ship coming top in a tier 8 game. You really need to be at that level in order to progress without being dead weight for your own team. If you are owning ships higher or at least on your own tier then it's time to move up. Walk before you run. See your friendly Tirp player? Yeah, that's the kinds players that drag teams down so don't be one of them mate.

ok mate....If you are going to get a premium anyway, if you really want one higher up (even though the lads are right in that having more games will be better) then grab the Sharn. It's a forgiving BB that can adapt to any situation and will serve you right. But remember it's a battlecrusier with battlecrusier guns. It's good because it rewards good aiming, Ammo type and has the armour and speed to get out of dodge if things go wrong. It's a good brawler when the time comes with its good seconds and solid torps. It also has respectable AA. good armour, cruiser killing guns, good MM, good HP and good accuracy for a German BB. Solid ship. The Gulio at tier 5 IMHO is a fantastic ship to learn in but I know it's not on sale at the moment. i would always recommend those 2 ships to wanna be BB captains.

Having to show that much broadside to fire all your guns, which isn't a lot in the first place at high tiers, will prove difficult. If it didn't have such a big citadel then it wouldnt be so bad...But it dont. I would leave one in the chamber for when this ship turns. If it doesn't then it can't pen the front with AP anyway. Will feel safe even in a cruiser. I think it will struggle with not being able to pen 27mm. But let's see, hope it doesnt.

Fair enough, but if I'm gonna spend that much money on pixels i wanna play something I'm not gonna get frustrated with. Plenty of oddball in the silver line without spending an money at all. But each to their own i suppose But fair enough WG, it's not an over the top ship, silver line quility which isn't a bad thing.

LWM has spoken.. That's a lot of broadside it has to give, gonna have some fun against that.

It's a tier 8 Hood all in all, Like the Jean Bart is a tier 8 Richy. But the Vanguard doesn't even have the defensive AA consumable, has a bigger citadel which always makes me cringe and has to show far too much sides to fire all guns for my liking. The Jean Bart however, has that gun reload consumable, greater reload time and speed boast to get you out of dodge, more HP too. That Des smashed the Vanguard up pretty badly (flamu vid) and that was from quite a long range. Imagine if that Des was closer and firing AP shells into that long base of a ship it has, with a bigger citadel. An extra 3.500 more health HP on it's consumable only goes so far when your being constantly being citadel by even Cruiser AP. It's another Cruiser killer, hands down. I just think the Jean Bart does it alot better. Yes it's a tier 9 ship, but tier 8 in this MM is practicality the same. However, it's not a gimmick ship which might be it's selling point and is a breath of fresh air to be honest. If you gave it heavy shells (like Warspite) then i might be tempered. it's defo not a brawler too and will struggle against Battlehsips IMHO. Really wanted the Vanguard but not if it's going to sit in port collecting dust.

Seen most of the current reviews and... Yeah, Wallet with remain shut. Tier 8 is pants MM. People are gonna turn the Vanguard into another HE spammer..

Don't blame you squire..

That really REALLY does not sound like a good ship to have in a tier 10 fight. People already have mixed reviews of the Hood and that's at tier 7! Does it bring anything different?

Precisely. Plenty of Streamers out there, but I would like one of us to give their opinion. I find them the best to be honest. Except LWM, she is good at reviews and close to the mark most of the time.

Ok the Vanguard...One of my Airfix models Now can anyone give me a run down of this ship please? Give me a reason to spend that much money on a tier 8 BB? The 2 Biggest kickers for me are: 1) HOW DOES IT HOLD UP IN TIER 10 MATCHES? Because they always get them. 2) DOES IT BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? .....Compered to the rest of the tier 8 premiums we/I currently have.