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  1. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    It's because they've got the penetrating power akin to some of the best 16" guns guns in the game, but yet the lack the overmatch factor, which can make their power deceptive (although there's not a huge world of difference between what they can and can't overmatch). The other aspect is the poor vertical dispersion. The horizontal dispersion is on the 'German' curve (essentially the Euro curve as both French and Italian BBs are also on it), so it's just as bad as the German BBs - which is fine, easily workable. What her big dispersion issue is, is her vertical dispersion, a product of just how well her guns retain their energy - low drag, heavy shell for caliber, high velocity - that gives you much greater vertical dispersion. For an opposite, the American 16"/45 Mk.6 has great vertical dispersion because it's much lower velocity and falls at a much steeper angle at the same ranges. This makes her gun power deceptive because it tends to make her shells fall short or fly high of where you aim them - so a shot at an enemy belt can land short (you get nothing) or fly into the superstructure (overpen), which really takes away from the power of these guns... They overpen everything easily that isn't heavy armor. But that's because the AP is only meant for use against BBs. The more general-purpose AP WG decided to turn into HE (and spoiler alert, AP makes really bad HE), so you have no real anti-cruiser/DD ammo. Imo, though, the biggest weakness of Roma in the game is the combo of weak AA and weak deck armor over her machinery (45mm + 112mm) I've got no idea why WG decided to make the 90mm guns only have 4 km range when other, objectively much inferior weapons, have 5 km range... But that means you really can't blunt any same or higher tier CV strikes. Against torpedo-boats it's fine - you can maneuver, and you've got great TDS. Against AP dive-bombers? You can't rely on your AA doing anything until they're right on top of you, and there's nothing you can do to dodge - so they just rip 50k off of you in one strike, and you can barely recover any of that health because it's citadel damage. Getting hit like that, compared to any other damage I've ever taken in any other ship type, just feels so arbitrary and impossible to avoid, and it's un-fun as hell. Getting one-shot or so badly damaged you can't do anything effective for the rest of the game in the first 5 min from one attack? That's just ridiculous.
  2. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    And @SparvieroVV Oh I'm sure I'll still get smacked around for it plenty. Already got a down vote brigade to visit me on Reddit after daring to suggest that perhaps it was not so amusing to make fun of people dying of hypothermia doing whatever they thought would keep them alive.
  3. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    *has been summoned* Apologies for my typos in what's quoted above, but yeah, that's pretty much the case. Even just going by the 24mm bulkhead (which I think is the most feasible option), the citadel volume is far greater than it should be by about 3648 m3!!!!! I'm thinking about posting a 'not asking for buffs but these are my issues with how WG handled Roma' thread at some point, which I know on NA and reddit will get me all kinds of crap thrown at me... but at this point things are just getting a little silly. Guided bombs, beercan camos, inflated citadels, 80% engine power, 90mm guns can't into range, etc, etc.
  4. phoenix_jz

    HMS Renown

    I would recommend tier V, as you're essentially looking at something similar in speed and armor to a Kongo, but with one less turret - and keep in mind the Japanese 14" gun has better pen than any version of the 15"/42 in-game. AA is another matter, that's more tier VI along the lines of the Queen Elizabeth, with 10x2 4.5" DP guns. At her most powerful in mid '45 her max displacement is 38395 tons. AA was: 89.0 dps @ 5.0 km 79.2 dps @ 2.5 km 215.6 dps @ 2.0 km
  5. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    5 always rounds up, so that's 20mm of penetration, so it'll penetrate up to 19mm of armor. The question is, are you ever going to be willing to drop an extra 4 point on IFHE? I would say it's not worth it, there are plenty of better choices for captain skill picks.
  6. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    Thanks for the Pictures! Honestly, I don't know what Flamu was harping on about, he seemed to be doing one thing and reaching a different conclusion with the guns. The guns seem quite reliable, they hit hard whenever they hit... That one clip of him with the Iowa was at a bad angle, Flamu seemed to assume it was a much flatter angle than it actually was...
  7. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    I don't suppose you could post a picture showing just what the in-game armor viewer considers citadel armor? Overall, she seems like quite a solid ship. Zoup mentioned she felt really nice handling, so I imagine she's quite maneuverable by the standards of tier VIII. The guns look glorious.
  8. phoenix_jz

    Let's talk French battleships a bit...

    Richelieu has a hull upgrade, engine upgrade, and FCS upgrade.... she's the tree ship, Gascogne is a premium
  9. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    Oops, sorry for not clarifying! It's The Littorio Class: Italy's Last and Largest Battleships 1937-1948 I just thought it was kind of funny, and was curious if it was just an error with the version I had or if it was found elsewhere as well.
  10. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    Yeah, and Cesare only has 16.4 km max range with no spotter... meanwhile, Roma should be able to hit nearly 22 km with the spotter. Also, for anyone else who own's Bagnosco's book... can you check something for me? I've been working on a post for Gorizia (used to have one for her on NA, but it got eaten by the forum :/ ), and I was using the account of the First Battle of Sirte given in the book when I saw... well... I don't know about you, but think something's up with Cesare... As far as the performance of the 90mm gun... I'm assuming that's a scenario of the RPC and quadraxial stabilization working perfectly. If WG wants Duilio or Doria to appear, they could easily use the wetness & RPC issues to lower the dps. Either way, the low range (4 km!) really hurts. I'd kill for an extra half kilometer of base range.
  11. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    Aetreus from the NA forums is saying that the penetration given by SEA is likely incorrect. https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/25247-fan-made-italian-tech-tree/?do=findComment&comment=3422601 Considering the point-blank pen of these guns (0 meters) is 825mm with the stats it has in-game, this is a lot more likely to be correct. A jump from 825 to 711 over 5 km makes a lot more sense than 825 to 675, especially given the way the penetration falls away after that - the latter option seems far to steep. In other related news, Roma's TDS is to be raised from 25% to 38%. Cesare from 19% to 30%. *Pugliese intensifies*
  12. phoenix_jz

    Incoming Duca degli Abruzzi - [WiP]

    It won't. The issue is that she's overtiered, the only thing that will help her is, minimally, 1/4 penetration rule for her 6" HE, so she can still deal damage without weakening the already meager fire chance. Also... If they don't want to model decapping, do as was done with Roma and combine the thicknesses of the belt...
  13. phoenix_jz

    Incoming Duca degli Abruzzi - [WiP]

    This is the result some questions I asked in a Q&A done by Sub_Octavian in reddit... I think they're pretty interesting, the responses at least.
  14. phoenix_jz

    Roma - Tier VIII Premium Italian BB suggestion

    Anyone else's eyes getting caught on that MV? 880/805? Shouldn't that be 850/880?