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I know I must have missed reading somewhere, but this x2 xp event seems to have gone on longer than the weekend. Is it an extended x2 xp event or have I missed some change somewhere?

I knew I missed something! Thanks!

You are welcome, shouting matches lead nowhere. Now let me clarify my stance on carriers though. I don't support a nerf of either Midway or the IJN CVs now. Fact: Battleships are running very rampant and in my opinion, cruisers are at a massive disadvantage. If you go to the higher tiers, the lack of cruisers is extremely noticeable. Is it because battleships are more fun or is it because battleships lack their predators? The CV has an imposed limit of 0-2 per battle. But players will constantly cry about CVs being OP and landing torpedoes everywhere. Why? Lack of cruiser protection is my answer. Yet cruisers are actively hunted to extinction by battleships. The upper tier ecosystem of CV-BB-CA-DD is totally messed up. As much as I have justified the IJN nerf, this is only due to my rationality trying to explain why the devs are doing it. I don't agree with it! However, looking at the stats on the table week after week, I knew that nerf was coming.

Yet the same metrics are used to justify that Midway is OP and needs nerfing. That's the key. Same metrics that show that Midway and Essex at T10 and T9 are OP, show that IJN T4-8 are OP compared to the USN T4-8 CVs.

No, I reject the focus argument. Hosho vs Langley is 1 prime example, because of the absence of any deck modifications. Another good data point is the Independence vs Ryujo. Independence has 3 squadrons for all 3 decks. It's either 1/1/1, 2/0/1 or 0/1/2. The best deck undeniably is the 1/1/1. Ryujo starts of disadvantaged, with 4 squadrons, and eventually getting 5. And noticeably, I see many Ryujo players are sporting the 3 fighter, 1 torpedo bomber and 1 dive bomber squadron. nation class tier name players total battles average of rates battles win draw lose exp damage caused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense survived kill / death point JP CV 6 Ryujo 4759 29573 6.21 53.52 0.56 45.92 1474 33518 0.61 11.62 0.02 0.14 66.54 1.34 20511 US CV 6 Independence 5527 36342 6.58 49.78 0.64 49.58 1491 26648 0.48 13.04 0.04 0.11 65.37 1.06 19858 Yet again look at the data. Ryujo still deals more average damage, wins more on average, sinks more ships on average. The aircraft kills are lower than the Independence but not by much. And this consistency is borne by a few important things to remember. First few matches on a Ryujo for a player will be with a 4(16 aircraft) squadron deck. This is a big disadvantage against an Independence that starts off with all 3(18 aircraft) squadrons at stock. How much of a split do you think the Ryujo player base is between the 1/2/2 and 3/1/1 decks? No matter how you split this, Ryujo's average damage is higher. 3/1/1 is clearly inferior to the Independence's 1/1/1 in striking power, but for the average to be that much higher than the Independence's? That's a lot of power the 1/2/2 has to project to make up the difference in the average. And again, that shows the key difference. 2 torpedo bomber squadrons. Quick a. I don't know what that point represents. Tried as I could, could not fathom it. Stats are all from http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/index.html

No, I'm not suggesting anything. The accusation leveled here is why IJN torpedoes are being nerfed at the lower levels. I'm explaining why. T4-8 IJN CVs way outdamage the USN CVs.

Langley and Hosho has no deck modifications. It's Langley's 1 fighter and 1 torpedo bomber vs Hosho's 1 fighter and 2 torpedo bombers. You cannot change this. Yet Hosho outdamages Langley, wins more than Langley, sinks more ships than Langley. Langley only shoots down more planes than Hosho. What are the accusations people level at the US carriers? 1: US fighters are powerful. No doubt about that although it's not that the plane is far superior but that US fighter squadrons have 6 vs 4 in the Japanese. 2. US torpedo bomber drop is OP. Well if that's so, why can't the Langley outdamage the Hosho? The OP US torpedo manual drop vs the useless Japanese torpedo drop. What happens? Hosho's 37264 average damage vs Langley's 23995. And there are no divebombers to skew these numbers in any way. 3. Hosho sucks compared to Langley. Nope, stats don't support that. And the trend goes from T4-8. What magically happens at T9? Why, the US gets that magic number 2. 2 torpedo bomber squadrons. Which I repeat: IJN carriers have 2 from T4. That's the big difference. Edit: By the way, if I want to be facetious, I can with tongue-in-cheek say that Hakuryu is performing badly because most Hakuryu players are going 4/2/2 air superiority. But how different is this argument from the "Bogue/Independence/Ranger scores lowly because most of them go air superiority?"

The averages work both ways. Anything average that applies to Langley applies to Hosho. The averages are simply that, average. Don't pretend that only smart people play IJN CV and thus get higher scores, while idiots only play Langley. As for Taiho and Hakuryu, they are not OP not because they suck. It's because Essex and Midway are far more OP, which I agree on.

No, there's no probably. If the US torpedo bomber squadron is as deadly as everyone's been harping about, then why use air superiority? That 1 fighter and 1 torpedo bomber squadron should be ruling the skies as the useless paper made Japanese planes all drop like flies. It does not happen! If the US torpedo bomber squadron is that deadly, it should be effective even with 1 squadron. The damage numbers don't reflect that at all. The only thing that is proven is US fighters are superior. Source: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20151017et/average_ship.html EU stats week ending 17th Oct. nation class tier name players total battles average of rates battles win draw lose exp damage caused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense survived kill / death point JP CV 4 Hosho 10974 61666 5.62 51.94 2.29 45.77 1105 37264 0.82 6.58 0.19 0.51 55.98 1.45 18384 JP CV 5 Zuiho 9327 54474 5.84 53.39 1.33 45.28 1311 37207 0.74 8.12 0.15 0.46 58.71 1.41 19450 JP CV 6 Ryujo 4759 29573 6.21 53.52 0.56 45.92 1474 33518 0.61 11.62 0.02 0.14 66.54 1.34 20511 JP CV 7 Hiryu 1863 13272 7.12 53.40 0.50 46.10 2024 45902 0.84 16.66 0.02 0.11 73.23 1.90 22370 JP CV 8 Shokaku 538 4913 9.13 50.06 0.06 49.88 2156 49046 0.74 15.53 0.00 0.00 68.67 2.17 23634 JP CV 9 Taiho 159 1597 10.04 43.01 0.04 56.95 2653 72123 0.98 19.03 0.00 0.00 68.45 2.54 23555 JP CV 10 Hakuryu 110 1087 9.88 45.37 0.00 54.63 2969 89831 1.05 19.72 0.00 0.00 66.98 3.27 22466 US CV 4 Langley 20101 115305 5.74 47.39 2.39 50.23 915 23995 0.47 10.80 0.09 0.35 47.84 0.76 17262 US CV 5 Bogue 14947 87022 5.82 49.26 1.54 49.20 1073 18262 0.34 14.66 0.06 0.31 48.95 0.56 18022 US CV 6 Independence 5527 36342 6.58 49.78 0.64 49.58 1491 26648 0.48 13.04 0.04 0.11 65.37 1.06 19858 US CV 7 Ranger 1905 18526 9.72 49.46 0.42 50.12 1807 39981 0.67 17.91 0.01 0.12 62.34 1.65 23200 US CV 8 Lexington 642 6099 9.50 51.22 0.14 48.63 2184 45222 0.69 24.91 0.00 0.00 69.97 1.94 24512 US CV 9 Essex 162 2572 15.88 53.35 0.09 46.55 2890 79481 1.21 19.83 0.00 0.00 70.09 3.76 29785 US CV 10 Midway 108 1657 15.34 51.70 0.00 48.30 3554 112780 1.55 22.07 0.00 0.00 67.57 5.27 29869 Myth 1: Langley stomps all over Hosho because Hosho's fighters have no chance. Look at the Hosho win rate, damage scores and ships sunk vs Langley's. The only saving grace is the Langley does shoot down more planes. Myth busted. Myth 2: Zuiho is crap compared to Bogue with their insane fighters. Wouldn't Bogue love to trade stats here? Myth busted. Myth 3: Midway is OP and needs nerfing. Look at that insane damage score. What's even hideous is the aircraft shot down by Midway. And most people I know who play Midway use strike decks. No argument from me. Myth confirmed. (I would argue Essex should be thrown in too.) But what is the key factor that differentiate good from useless CV? The magic number 2, attached with number of torpedo squadrons.

Oh really? So how do you account for US carriers being so vastly out damaged by IJN carriers from T4-8? Damage increases with with the number of torpedo bomber squadron because it forces a good player to dodge the first drop so the second drop guarantees hits. That makes the 2nd torpedo bomber squadron so deadly with the Essex and Midway. Just look at my own carrier stats. I'm a crapplayer but using this simple 2 torpedo bomber technique, I magically do so much better. It's not skill, but the OP nature of 2 or more torpedo bomber squadrons. Which is something IJN carriers have from T4.

Oh for goodness sakes. nation class tier name players total battles average of rates battles win draw lose exp damage caused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense survived kill / death point JP CV 4 Hosho 11127 61383 5.52 52.38 2.32 45.29 1083 37103 0.81 6.55 0.21 0.47 56.09 1.43 23011 JP CV 5 Zuiho 9268 53596 5.78 53.75 1.40 44.85 1275 36696 0.71 8.07 0.13 0.40 59.39 1.37 24254 JP CV 6 Ryujo 4730 29320 6.20 53.43 0.51 46.06 1456 33735 0.60 11.89 0.03 0.14 66.66 1.29 25431 JP CV 7 Hiryu 1766 12342 6.99 53.88 0.49 45.63 2003 46369 0.78 16.30 0.03 0.07 72.62 1.99 27184 JP CV 8 Shokaku 536 4607 8.60 51.56 0.13 48.31 2182 51024 0.76 15.60 0.00 0.00 72.48 2.08 28427 JP CV 9 Taiho 160 1843 11.52 47.06 0.06 52.88 2731 73997 0.98 18.71 0.00 0.00 69.95 2.91 29295 JP CV 10 Hakuryu 91 899 9.88 42.13 0.17 57.70 2832 94156 1.07 18.53 0.00 0.00 67.15 3.32 25698 US CV 4 Langley 20676 119220 5.77 47.36 2.39 50.25 899 24034 0.47 10.77 0.08 0.31 47.49 0.77 21469 US CV 5 Bogue 15441 89862 5.82 48.66 1.54 49.80 1047 18179 0.34 14.65 0.09 0.30 48.70 0.57 22277 US CV 6 Independence 5477 36565 6.68 50.05 0.63 49.32 1466 27073 0.48 13.06 0.03 0.12 66.20 1.09 24725 US CV 7 Ranger 1891 17411 9.21 50.87 0.44 48.69 1770 39888 0.67 17.78 0.01 0.11 63.48 1.66 27765 US CV 8 Lexington 595 6007 10.10 50.08 0.02 49.89 2154 45558 0.65 24.61 0.00 0.00 68.31 1.84 29079 US CV 9 Essex 159 2774 17.45 52.58 0.13 47.28 2851 84692 1.22 19.82 0.00 0.00 70.43 4.00 35071 US CV 10 Midway 106 1340 12.64 53.54 0.10 46.37 3469 112079 1.51 20.53 0.00 0.00 70.11 5.58 33028 I'm sure the Hosho players are crying hard. Please, stop with this nonsense about some insanely misperceived weakness in the Hosho. You can pick any week post 0.4.1 and it's the same consistent results. IJN CVs T4-8 outperform USN CVs. Midway is stupidly OP and I agree. I'll throw Essex into the OP puddle too but the stats don't always back me up. And reading the patch bulletin again, something in my memory definitely told me that there was additional text that mentioned a torpedo spread buff for the Japanese torpedo bombers. Was that removed stealthily? Edit: Because someone will ask me for source...http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20151010et/average_ship.html

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/cbt/dev-bulletin-051/ U.S. bomber planes will become more stable while under anti-aircraft barrage fire: their bomb spread in these circumstances will be slightly decreased. As for their Japanese counterparts, they will have increased precision for manual release - something loved by many an experienced aircraft carrier captain.

Starting to see a lot of these divisioned Yamatos, often all 3 in the division being Yamatos. It's almost an insta-win for that team the moment the battle starts.

I don't know, but in my opinion, when it comes, it's long overdue.

No, you are trying to muddy the whole situation up. T4-8 IJN carriers outperform the USN carriers by a good margin. The DB buff might help, but the torpedo bomber accuracy buff obviously rang enough alarm bells that the torpedo damage nerf had to come from left field. With the torpedo spread buff, Taiho and Hakuryu's damage numbers are going to rise again. I honestly believe the devs are taking a few weeks to see the outcome of the torpedo spread buff and trust me, I see not just a Midway nerf coming after that.

So it's perfectly fine that T4-8 USN carriers continue to underperform next to their Japanese counterparts? Especially the air superiority loadouts which should continue to suffer endlessly? Nevermind that the T4-8 IJN carriers will now benefit from an accuracy buff that will make them overperform even more and attract the dev's attention for another overreaction?

I remember during CBT, the Essex's strike load out was 2 TB and 3 DB squadrons. That got changed to 1 fighter, 2 TB and 2 DB that we know today. I recall wondering how the IJN carriers managed to go to OBT without the same change until 0.4.1.

Looking at these stats, what is it that makes a Midway outperform the Hakuryu so much? Edit: I don't have a Midway yet, hence the question. I feel the Essex and Taiho are very evenly matched and the plane stats seem to support it.

Oh dear, this event, let the kill stealing begin!

This deserves so much sticky! Thanks Whatever08152 for this.

I had max upgrades back with Lexington and I often lost 1v1 air duels with an enemy Lexington too. I just take it in stride as practise for Essex because I knew I was going strike and will often lose the air duels. Learn to use fighters as a means of holding up enemy fighters to complete your strike.

It is very situational for an IJN CV captain. Most tiers, the US fighters benefit and you don't. I think there are 2 tiers you benefit and one of them is T10. The other very situational use of it is when you are paired with another carrier who is higher tier than you, in which case, it just only helps you prolong your inevitable loss in that air duel.

To all your Benson and ex-Benson captains, did you upgrade your torpedoes to the 8.2km torpedoes or did you keep the 6.4km torpedoes? My thinking is that the Benson is a gunboat and the torpedoes are a last ditch defense when something gets too close to threaten you. As a result, the 6.4km torpedoes which swim faster should be better but there's a bit of me that wonders if I can stealth torpedo with the 8.2km torpedoes. Then I look at the speed of the 8.2km torpedoes and think maybe I will only hit if the enemy is really not paying attention. Any opinions to share? I just came out of the Mahan and had a really torrid time with her. I would have 1 good game on the Mahan and then 5 games in a row where I sink without doing anything much. I hope the Benson is a clean new slate.

This is why I'm such a bad DD captain. I didn't take those benefits into account. Thanks. Now time to farm credits to buy that hull upgrade.....oh, is Hull C worth it over Hull B then?

Completely and totally empathize. I get this feeling a lot when playing my DDs and only my DDs. Other ships, I might lose but I know it's my own fault for not doing enough. With DDs, it's just hopeless. I have lost so much and done so badly with DDs that the moment I enter a battle with my DD, I just feel I handicapped my team. Anyone who has played with me while in my DD in any battle, will always get an apology from me right at the start of the battle. Wow, bitter much?