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I can live with the nerfs to the CVs. I can't stand queuing for 20-30 mins plus just for a game. Don't mind really. CVs have had their day. Now to watch the BB mafia suffer endless streams of torpedoes with nobody to scout for them.

I empathize. My wait on the Midway was so long, I just left the queue. Since the patch, I only got 1 game in the Midway. However, I noticed a huge shift in the T9/10 meta. Shimakazes are the biggest banes of everyone's life now. No planes to spot them.

The US DB new manual drop circle size looks like the original giant oval. Was manual drop not also supposed to be buffed? Automatic drop under panic is a much smaller oval though.

Firstly, how are you "sucking"? What has changed between T4/5 and T6? Without knowing what difficulties you are facing, it is hard to focus any answer that will help you. In general, when you enter T6(and higher), you will face more of the following: 1. Ships in general start to have better AA. The majority of your opposition starts to be T5-7 and all of them have decent AA. 2. Current bug with dogfighting expertise means do not upgrade your fighter. Not until they fix that bug. 3. T6 and higher cruisers now have AA Defensive Fire, which panics your bombers and cause drops to spread much wider. 4. Enemy carriers can now sink you in the initial wave if the enemy carrier plans it right. 5. The flooding/fire 1-2 strike. As in, torpedo bombers hit you and cause flooding, forcing you to use damage control party, then dive bomb you to start a bbq and leaving you helpless as it burns.

Just checking around with people, does it feel like your xp gained from sinking ships when playing your carrier has......"decreased"?

Sounds like a respec for my Midway captain.

The important thing to remember is tier for tier, the number of aircraft in the air is about similar between IJN and USN. At T8, the number is 24 aircraft, with 6 squadrons for the IJN and 4 for USN. Your changes will bring the aircraft count to 30 in the air. That's Essex/Midway territory.

At T9/10 when you go strike Essex or Midway, your fighters are mostly used to either a) where possible, intercept the enemy torpedo bombers, or b) most likely intercepting the enemy fighters so your torpedo bombers can hit the target unimpeded. That leaves your AA carrying most of the defensive duties in protecting you against enemy bombers. Is AFT better? Depends on whether you value your fighters.

You know what has been completely outgunning me in my Atlanta lately? Kievs.......her guns just hit me effortlessly but the effort at which I have to go through to hit her back. Let's just say, it's Kievs many - 0 me in Atlanta at the moment.

I just play on, who cares? It's just stats and numbers.

I have to agree something has gone wrong since their matchmaker "tweak" in 0.5.0. I have been offered as the T9 CV sacrifice to the T10 CV who has queued too long so many times already. Admittedly, when I play my Midway, the same has happened where a T9 CV has to play victim. But the absolute worst has to be my experience playing Konigsberg now. So many matches where the CV is a Hiryu or Ranger, and all the cruisers are T5 or below. No AA defensive fire to counter those CVs.

It quite clearly puts the picture into perspective and reinforces why people who have played the top tier matches all have a common agreement, Essex and Midway needs toning down. It's too effective. It also very nicely shows why people view T8 as the most balanced. Lexington is clearly using its USN traits to its best and Shokaku is showing it still can strike. Edit: also would like to add, the imbalance between Ranger and Hiryu is quite possibly overstated. The real unfair matchup is actually Bogue and Zuiho.

Sure. Source: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20151024et/average_ship.html Week ending 24th Oct 2015 for EU server Average aircraft destroyed comparison T4: Hosho vs Langley. 6.57 vs 10.84. Langley's average aircraft destroyed advantage: 65% T5: Zuiho vs Bogue. 8.16 vs 14.83. Bogue's average aircraft destroyed advantage: 81.74%. T6: Ryujo vs Independence. 11.55 vs 13.05. Independence's average aircraft destroyed advantage: 13% T7: Hiryu vs Ranger. 16.09 vs 17.50. Ranger's average aircraft destroyed advantage: 8.7% T8: Shokaku vs Lexington. 15.64 vs 24.67. Lexington's average aircraft destroyed advantage: 57.7% T9: Taiho vs Essex. 18.93 vs 20.18. Essex's average aircraft destroyed advantage: 6.6% T10: Hakuryu vs Midway. 21.59 vs 21.94. Midway's average aircraft destroyed advantage: 1.6% Average warships sunk comparison T4: Hosho vs Langley. 0.82 vs 0.48. Hosho's average warships sunk advantage: 70.9% T5: Zuiho vs Bogue. 0.73 vs 0.34. Zuiho's average warships sunk advantage: 114.7%. T6: Ryujo vs Independence. 0.62 vs 0.48. Ryujo's average warships sunk advantage: 29.2% T7: Hiryu vs Ranger. 0.80 vs 0.67. Hiryu's average warships sunk advantage: 19.4% T8: Shokaku vs Lexington. 0.76 vs 0.68. Shokaku's average warships sunk advantage: 11.8% T9: Taiho vs Essex. 0.95 vs 1.23. Essex's average warships sunk advantage: 29.4% T10: Hakuryu vs Midway. 1.20 vs 1.59. Midway's average warships sunk advantage: 32.5% Edit: cut&paste fail...

These were in the Kreigsmarine's plans. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-class_battleship_proposals

All forgiven, sorry to have picked on you.

No reverse spread yet. Devs really dragging their feet on this one. No Saipan either. AA defensive fire to be limited to 2 charges for all cruisers, except USN which get 3 and Atlanta who has unlimited. USN dive bombers get a tighter drop when under panic. I think I missed something. :/

Flooding nerf is hardly a nerf.

Source: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20151024et/average_ship.html Stats for EU week ending 24th Oct 2015. Average damage of each tier comparison: T4: Hosho vs Langley. 36530 vs 23647. Hosho's average damage advantage: 54.5% T5: Zuiho vs Bogue. 36125 vs 17883. Zuiho's average damage advantage: 102%. T6: Ryujo vs Independence. 33614 vs 26616. Ryujo's average damage advantage: 26.3% T7: Hiryu vs Ranger. 46266 vs 39112. Hiryu's average damage advantage: 18.3% T8: Shokaku vs Lexington. 51805 vs 44255. Shokaku's average damage advantage: 17.1% T9: Taiho vs Essex. 70292 vs 85818. Essex's average damage advantage: 22.1% T10: Hakuryu vs Midway. 102467 vs 122846. Midway's average damage advantage: 19.9%

So is the performance difference with and without the gun upgrade for Pensacola going to be very significant?

Might be a tad bit sensitive in the NA market.

I'm not arguing for any buffs to USN CVs. Search my history, I haven't called for any and I can't see any justification for buffing USN CVs because as the data clearly also shows, as much as they are outperformed by IJN CVs in T4-8, they still outperform their peers(ie BB/CA/DD). Funny you should say that US TB do better when driven by people by lesser experience. I had people argue the opposite, check the carrier forums.

You are constantly on the attack about how overpowered USN CVs are. Are you all out to get USN CVs nerfed because of some personal vendetta, I have no idea. But that constant non-stop whining from you about every bit that USN CVs do better has gotten very tiring. And during all this time you whine, you fail to notice that IJN CVs overperform. So you want USN nerfs while IJN CVs overperform, where will that land us? On the carrier forums, I have constantly tried to remind everyone that the IJN CV constant demands for buffs or nerfs to the USN CV needs to be carefully tempered with the statistical data that the devs clearly have access to. Nerfing Midway and Essex is a priority because I have both of them and clearly know these 2 are insanely overpowered. Everyone including myself wants Midway nerfed. You have been all too willing to drag the T4-8 USN CVs into the nerfpool, damn the consequences. Look at the T4-8 data week after week, it's consistent, IJN CVs outperform the USN CV by a significant margin. You may blame the poor USN CV loadouts, but T4 Langley has no loadout option and T8 Lexington stock is the best loadout. Both are still outperformed. What other excuses are there left?

I just dislike the diagonal deployment setups, not because it's bad, but you cannot rely on 12 random people to coordinate properly.

Midway with 3 fighter squadrons and air supremacy is scarily effective in the air superiority role. And I do mean seriously scarily effective. You have the fastest planes which means you will intercept anything you want. You have 7 fighters in your squadron which means you can destroy any IJN squadron in the air or tie up a Midway strike deck's 1 fighter and 2 torpedo bomber squadrons. If you have 1 torpedo bomber squadron which is also extremely fast, you can race for damage quite well. This is not quite the same as T8. Lexington has 2 fighter squadrons and no option to go for 3. Because you have 2 fighter squadrons, a match up with a Lexington usually involves compromise. Against a Shokaku, it gets even harder because the Lexington's Corsairs, deadly as they are are not the fastest planes in the air.

While I will always agree and maintain that Essex and Midway needs nerfing, you are in total denial about the full picture of IJN CV effectiveness. Let's try this full table. Source: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20151024et/average_ship.html EU stats ending week 24th Oct 2015 nation class tier name players total battles average of rates battles win draw lose exp damage caused warship destroyed aircraft destoryed base capture base defense survived kill / death point JP CV 4 Hosho 10420 56571 5.43 52.23 2.36 45.41 -716 36530 0.82 6.57 0.27 0.51 56.30 1.44 18083 JP CV 5 Zuiho 9054 49023 5.41 53.20 1.41 45.39 -2028 36125 0.73 8.16 0.15 0.39 57.93 1.32 18646 JP CV 6 Ryujo 4698 27283 5.81 53.20 0.66 46.14 -3353 33614 0.62 11.55 0.02 0.17 66.77 1.25 19642 JP CV 7 Hiryu 1866 13258 7.11 53.73 0.53 45.74 -6448 46266 0.80 16.09 0.02 0.22 72.60 2.11 22406 JP CV 8 Shokaku 531 4657 8.77 51.36 0.11 48.54 -6103 51805 0.76 15.64 0.00 0.00 72.23 2.57 24489 JP CV 9 Taiho 163 1641 10.07 47.62 0.36 52.01 -10565 70292 0.95 18.93 0.00 0.00 70.13 2.86 24578 JP CV 10 Hakuryu 87 819 9.41 46.46 0.41 53.13 -18596 102467 1.20 21.59 0.00 0.00 76.21 3.84 24579 US CV 4 Langley 19690 109698 5.57 47.76 2.49 49.74 -477 23647 0.48 10.84 0.09 0.31 47.36 0.77 17077 US CV 5 Bogue 14993 81691 5.45 48.63 1.59 49.78 -1480 17883 0.34 14.83 0.06 0.28 48.41 0.56 17472 US CV 6 Independence 5576 34787 6.24 49.90 0.62 49.47 -2337 26616 0.48 13.05 0.03 0.11 65.66 1.05 19422 US CV 7 Ranger 1985 17247 8.69 49.99 0.60 49.41 -3273 39112 0.67 17.50 0.05 0.08 62.52 1.63 22722 US CV 8 Lexington 692 6184 8.94 48.86 0.23 50.91 -4179 44255 0.68 24.67 0.00 0.00 67.97 1.97 23689 US CV 9 Essex 170 2821 16.59 55.26 0.04 44.70 -5764 85818 1.23 20.18 0.00 0.00 73.78 4.02 30831 US CV 10 Midway 115 1487 12.93 54.80 0.30 44.90 -26223 122846 1.59 21.94 0.00 0.00 78.87 7.27 30536 I'm extremely sympathetic to the opinion that the current drop circle on PT for IJN torpedo bombers is extremely dumb but thanks to your attitude to everyone else on the forums, I'm disinclined to defend the IJN CV. Besides, checked your facts yet? How many charges does Damage Control Party have?