Ocsimano18

Thunderer is also a strong ship. It's a personal preference which one you like more, but with time you can get the other one, too. Some people see Thunderer being the next ship moving to Christmas boxes, so strategically it's a good choice.

Do you like it?

Everybody comes with the damage output. The ship needs to win the game. Damage output is one tool for it. Other tools are radar, hydro, cap control. Venezia has neither of these. If you nerf the damage output then you kill the ship.

The Ponzi scheme needs more and more money to keep it alive. He was referring to this aspect.

You missed the final scene when he lost 3/4 of Champagne's HP to one salvo from a Vladivostok. It's a very long range sniper ship... with 6 guns.

I was shooting the Mogami at 11km. Maybe below 10km you have too much pen and therefore get the overpens. Fuse time are normal (they were reduced during testing, but got back to the normal level).

Yes, you need time to get to tier 10, a lot of people are still grinding it. Basically WG only cares about players who power grind either by money or excessive playing.

Then nerf the improved autobounce angles and reduced shell arming time mechanics used by Stalingrad.

Highest survivability: because it cannot get close to get torpedos and stuff. It's a side effect not an advantage. Highest average damage: yes, the only thing it can do to influence the match is to deal damage. It cannot radar DDs, it cannot hydro torpedos, it cannot get close to the caps. I'm ok to nerf the damage, but then lower the concealment and give it a hydro. Look at maplesyrup stats, even DM outperforms it. The stats you cite are biased by more skilled players who play newer ships compared to the server average.

After its release, people were complaining how weak Venezia was. I pointed them out that it worked because of the improved angles. Now she gets nerfed. I point out to people that it won't work anymore.

Basically double rudder made Venezia work,, otherwise it gets blapped by BBs. It was overperforming in the CV only Clan Wars meta, where there were no BBs. All these nerfs make it a ship noone will want to play. And this happens a few months after its release. WG basically only wants players who play 4+ hours a day, or pay a lot of cash to get new ships on early access. I won't spend more money on the game.

Venezia is still relatively new and owned by much better players than the server average. It has good damage but has difficulty influencing the game otherwise (no radar, no hydro, cannot play close to the caps). Also I don't see why it should be compared to Nevsky. I'd like to see the stats (WR) of Venezia players compared to their other recently played T10 cruisers. Why is nerfing a steel ship tricky? You have nerfed a couple of premiums recently (IFHE cruisers, Enetrprise upcoming) for which people played cash. Steel was mostly a free to obtain resource.

A review from Carbine Carlito.

Amalfi was the only fun ship besides Venezia, but Venezia has to perform in T10 BB environment. The improved angles made it work.

Do the Hit hard & fast campaign to get Halsey. It's a 15 pointer for free and has the expert loader skill which is a blast on both Alaska and Georgia. The campaign takes a while, but you can also get some super containers.

But it needs these angles to work. SAP cannot make fires which is an ever bigger issue when the damage saturates, so you need to compensate it. By these nerfs you make it close to the frustrating Zara experience.

It's not an OP ship. in randoms. If you nerf it, nobody will play or grind it. For me it's a lesson to not bother with grinding or paying in this game. I will just enjoy my existing ships and probably play less and less.

I don't see Venezia on your list. It WAS a different gameplay, it WAS fun.

If they change the product, then they must offer a refund, because you bought the product with the advertised characteristics. Also, if they get away with the Enterprise nerf, then a lot of us will stop buy premium ships. Note: I don't have the Enterprise, and I dislike the ship. BTW they also sell premius in the US, and they can get burned by lawyers very easily there. It's a different law culture there.

Venezia is balanced in randoms, it's unbalanced in the the CV carrier meta which was a failure. Haku is imbalanced on the super unicum level, it's not imbalanced for the average players. The average player does not even play CVs becase the skill gap is too high. I don"t have a perma camo for Venezia, I did buy a perma camo for the RTS Haku. I won't buy perma camos anymore and probably won"t invest more money into the game.

Venezia had a short lived fame in the last CB season. WG should rather fix the CV issue in CB than nerf Venezia.

The only strength of Venezia was the improved angles and the good rudder shift. It has no radar, no hydro, no concealment, no fires, weak torpedos, BBs can eat it alive if it cannot dodge shells. The smoke is there to temporarly compensate the lack of concealment. Some CB people were complaining too much, but the last CB meta with no BBs has nothing to do with randoms where you have 4-5 BBs per side, on the average. 100 games if you have premium time and signals. Also you have to play a lot of crap, as WG's new strategy is to keep the fun for tier 10.

Agir has good AA, much higher than that of Scharnhorst, relative to its tier. Georgia has better accuracy than standard battleships, and has 18 inch guns, so they work well. I have better WR with Georgia than with Jean Bart, and I'm not a sharpshooter. Regarding Ludendorff, I think it depends on the firing angles. I saw no info on it. I hope you don't have to use too much broadside for the back turrets. I agree that Odin will be fun. You're right, the torps on a German boat are situational, but that's why it's fun when you manage to use them.

And what if some lawyers are playing the game?