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Can you maybe stop comparing it to the montana? I have no idea why you take the easy way out and ignore the conqueror, cause that is the battleship par excellence you should compare it to, because both have since rework low enough skill floors to do decent damage. And upset you... I admire morten for still responding. ONE playerS has 80% WR. solo. SOLO.

Are you saying we can't troll mister? What has happened to you? How did I get into this dark universe? Regarding OP: I went for current system. Ideally a reworked RTS would be my preference, but a reroll is never gonna happen, and another rework would make 2035 the year of the carrier.

tschhh... Some of them distort the light around them, so that's also a way to find them. Please return your degree from ST academy asap

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I barely played for a week - and just bought premium again. One game and boom, I'm out. Hey @MrConway it's march first, not april first...

I have no idea why everyone has been hyped about if for so long either.

Higher tier, that's eight and ten or only ten?

I see some genius positioning by the red midway... And your BBs certainly seem to understand the value of blobbing... wtf

I don't really believe that. There were always quite some carriers at low and mid tiers (4-6 mainly), which indicated at least some initial interest from the average player. I don't know how low tiers are doing since rework, if someone can enlighten me? For people not wanting to move up, or quitting once they did, I have quite some empathy. There was: - the +2 mm, mainly painful at t6/t8 (well, still is :D ) - the incessant clubbing. Be it saipans at t7, or unicorns bringing 2 little friends at t10 (or even at t4, until it was "solved") - quite some micromanaging the higher you went - last but all but least, the obnoxious UI bugs Getting either stomped by unicums in OP ships or triple divs/versus stomping some 30% potato + the ui where I by definition couldn't know if I or the system screwed up was for me the reason to delay "getting better at carriers" almost indefinitely. Well, until CV rework was announced

Yes, that's exactly what they are. @El2aZeR has predicted this like what, a year ago? That the broad characteristics of what WG was trying to go for with a rework, would only lead to that one single outcome: CVs as a tool for farming damage. Doesn't mean I (or he) agree with it. Doesn't mean that WG can't deny it. True. And at that point nobody will play CVs anymore too I guess? Ok, I know what you mean, I believe you. Must have missed the hints, somehow Only a hypothesis, but average potato going off carriers fast - leaving only above average players skewing the results? While, once again, I do not necessarily disagree, I must ask you, defending the devil: If you say max avg damage would be 180k, that would be the damage for the superunicorns. How attractive would that make the class to the average player, who would then get around 70-90k, not to mention potatoes with 40k and such. Well, first of all the intention of the rework was to make them more popular, that's the only reason to spend over a year worth of resources and time on it. The making it less impactful thing was just a side-effect, they hoped for. They gathered that the huge impact of CVs was all in the old RTS approach, and that by ditching RTS, most would disappear. Which it didn't. And now they have to implement countermeasures to the CV impact, while at the same time making/keeping them popular for the average player. Which is imho impossible.

Let me make this clear first. I'm not jumping on any hate train. You guys just sprung out cause I recognize - and like - you and of course cause you're kinda spamming CV posts. In case it isn't obvious: I've seen way worse posts too, also from "the other side". That's not the point. Wowsnumbers has changed a bit in the meantime, but those stats were from @Maaseru, right? Sorry, but no, that's not a valid response to a complaint about a class in total. The guy probably isn't complaining about cvs being too weak, but he also has double the average damage, not to mention generally way higher WRs, in other ships/classes. If you take his performance, no ship ever would have to be looked at, unless for major nerfing. And I get why you did it also. The guy you were arguing to said the entire class was overnerfed, while he most likely just looked at it from his point of view only. Sigh. Also, please, don't take me for a fool with the "so you do agree..." bs. It's even kind of insulting you'd think I'd fall for that. Be more concise and spam less Yea. We've gone full 21th century discussion I guess, everyone found a cosy echo room. To get to at least one technical gamechange. The DD change was good and needed, though WG (the surprise...) went full idiot. They could have just gone -20% detection for the DDs and the rocket nerf, and it would be better. Cause I do agree that giving mino & wooster etc the ability to "stealthAA" is stupid and unneeded. The thing is, Midway still has an excellent weapon against DDs with its DBs. So what the patch mainly did was making Haku even more obsolete. Not to mention making the difference between skilled and unskilled carriers bigger with every patch (seen a lot of midways not going with DBs after DDs myself) Is kinda what I'm doing. Can't be bothered with WG's kneejerk reactions every week anymore. The full on 20% stealth for every class was the ultimate proof they don't have a preconceptualized idea, but they're just throwing enough * at the wall and see what sticks. I got the three speshul containers with three days of premium last saturday. They all got wasted. Also, I hate WG the most for bringing out carriers so broken and overpowered in 0.8.0, even if it was only for a week. And that's coming from someone who did nothing but Haku abuse then. Cause that week alone made sure that emotions ran so high that we are still seeing people unable to reach some sense of rationality in the debate until now.

Is that from test server then? Cause your wows number profile gives zero carriers played? Depends on what exactly. If you're talking about the opinion as in "I don't like play (reworked) CVs cause the playstyle doesn't attract me", sure, no problem. But a lot of the debates going on atm are for people who do (for whatever reason) play CVs and are going through the patches. To have an opinion about whether those guys are just whining or have a point, yes, you should play the class yourself to have a justified opinion.

While I quite liked your and Forlorn's input on the forums until a while ago, I have no idea what happened to you guys since the rework. Tbh, I skim or even skip most of your posts these days. This argument though... Why do you think it is justified to bring up the best performing player as counter argument to a discussion about an entire class? Cause it isn't. Take any ship you think is (too) weak, and there will be someone doing godlike in it. Not to mention, if this kind of argumentation is valid, why not bring up the weakest player in a certain ship as argumentation of it being to weak? Also, I'm not saying Midway is too weak (or too strong). I'm more of the opinion that WG is shooting themselves in the foot, hard, by combining a) the main purpose of the rework making CV (way) more popular and b) making them more and more painful to play with every patch, especially for the average player. And you really should play the class yourself to at least have some justified opinion on their enjoyability tbh. That vid from a youtuber I never heard of made the "enjoyment" very visible imho. And how is that supposed to be a rant? :D

That's some exquisite farming material you found there I'd say.

Do you make it a personal point of you to disagree with everything? The demand for respecs is more than justified with a meta and ship specifications in perpetual flux.

I agree. We should ignore ppl like him Hakuryu Japan 52 196 50.38 % 0.97 90 515 2 078 5.22 5.22 Midway U.S.A. 59 251 48.28 % 0.82 77 027 1 899 5.73 4.28 Hakuryu (<30.01.2019) Japan 389 964 47.82 % 1.24 95 011 1 659 21.45 6.95 Midway (<30.01.2019) U.S.A. 636 343 46.50 % 1.27 96 800 1 792 25.68 6.84 These are all players, "normal" ones. Both cvs are doing less damage than the old ones. Midway does a whopping 20k less. Why the hell do we need nerfs like the ones you're implementing tomorrow/today @MrConway? You like numbers, here they are.

this looks fun...

He has a point though. Atm only a very small minority plays haku at tier ten. Given that Midway will still be able to launch DBs at DDs, I'll doubt that will change. Which of course means: incoming Midway DB nerf

Wow. I saw literally one guy claiming something idiotic like "dd mains getting cvs nerfed with their whining" but that's suddenly "a lot of CV players for you eh? And this can't be repeated enough: even though CVs are advertized as a tool to go after large surface vessels: they aren't. So many BBs just sit safe together in the back, which makes sending planes there a suicide mission, not to mention BB AA is too strong. I can't even start to recall all the games where I have seen a yamato in either team being top plane killer (and quite likely still being alive)... Hence they go after DDs, which by definition are more vulnerable given their role... Together with what @El2aZeR said in another thread, that AA skills/mods should get nerfed (or just abandoned?) with base AA buffed, the specific anti Air role should go back to cruisers and some DDs, with US bbs as exception.

If stealth radar is a bs mechanism, stealth AA should be too. Mino & wooster will have that now. You mean, after haku got nerfhammered so hard, that everyone would only play midway, so now she has to get the same treatment. Yea. Maingoal of spending over a year of time and money: making CV popular. 10/10

@MrConway Just out of curiosity: Do you guys have numbers on how many people, especially at t8-10, have changed their surface ships into medium and full AA builds? If so, would you be willing to share some numbers? Thx

Something @El2aZeR should have mentioned: you don't necessarily have to use rocket planes to go after DDs https://streamable.com/oioas

You mean blobbing. And I've seen a lot of games, where one team just stays in their blob all game somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and the other one has all three caps. Fun and engaging gameplay.

Tbh, I am quite amazed the new targeted AA with sectors isn't fully automatic.

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