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This Coop or even better a training room is suitable for very practical things only - for example decent estimates on when to drop AP bombs (if you chose the wrong CV line...), testing the starting time for a drop on a certain ship, etc. Otherwise they aren't suited for anything. I did my first game of the reworked CV in a lexington, where I was one of two tier eights in an otherwise full tier ten game. So I freeXPd midway and started to learn reworked CV from there. (Only a big while after that I re-explored low/mid tier CVs with a few hermes/furious games on EU & lex grind on NA) This might not be a popular opinion, but I'd recommend anyone to just "start" at tier ten, after some practice rounds in coop/training room to get some feels for it. The only thing you'll learn at low/mid tiers is how WG implements frustration as a motivating factor. For same reasons I could never see myself buying a premium CV, or recommend it.

1. target should never be the enemy CV tbf. Your british cv might be the exception, cause the level bombers can quite hurt non tier ten CVs. Still not that convinced if it's worth it, unless you go for a CV two tiers lower. 2. There's two very different strategies about CV targets atm. The first one is farming damage from the first strike. You find a suitable target (bb, preferable no AA monster, "alone enough") and go for the dots. Important is that you have a way out with your planes if they take to much damage to "f" them. From then onwards it's a damage over time game. Switch targets if your initial targets retreats to middle of nowhere or seeks/gets too much AA company. 3. The second one is going for DDs first, or at least so much that your team has a significant DD advantage. That's the one I did most of the time, because jedi master @El2aZeR. Since I started getting annoyed of being quite behind on avg damage - I go for 2. some more, although while striking I try at least to spot DDs as much as possible (leave fighters, so they can be useful for once in their lives) - and I change tactic immediately if my team has significant DD losses. (Die hard second strat guys don't do that afaik) And I switch to DD hunting immediately if reds go for massive blobs (so, extremely often...), cause DDs will almost always be at least somehwat isolated at some point, and, be in quite predictable spot. 4. Specific for being uptiered, which your tier 8 will be most of the time (my NA lex is at 70% uptiering) - you are better off going for DDs anyway, cause tier ten AA will hurt you from any ship. If there's a lot of tier 8s you can of course go for them. Even then, always try to spot carefully most of the time (spotting in the end will be your main thing being uptiered). You don't want to go strike that DD you found immediately and find out he had a mino on his tail on your dive. Specific targets to avoid in your t8: BB: Iowa, monty, Jean Bart, repu, gk (since most are full sec, same for a lot of frenchies), Kreml, Lion, (Kii & Ncal if they are specced) DD: grozovoi/udaloi. I've seen some other DDs that specced quite hard into AA (kita/haru and even the one Z52) - only go for them if they're isolated. CL: The usual suspects: Seattle/wooster/mino/neptune(?). Even things like Helena are scary enough if you're not careful. CA: Des moines/salem/buffalo. Rest: meh. You're better off striking a lone hinden than a lone BB, even if it's one or two tiers lower. It's a joke that doesn't get mentioned enough imho. Try to avoid henri's, moskva/stalin though. (5. There are of course methods to lessen the impact of AA, such as using islands, but for specific tactics, see other threads)

except when they get shot down at the very moment you were launching the attack proper, and the reticle goes completely berzerk when the replacements go through Not a bug btw, just a feature

was it on NA?...

This. Stationary targets are missed easily for some reason for a long time now, way before last patch, and afaik the issue has never even been mentioned by WG. @MrConway, are you guys aware of this bug/feature? Can't say I noticed any other particular weirdness lately, but I haven't played too much surface ships except for test ships. It's also hard to tell imho if something goes wrong consistently in a live environment, given RNG, possible flawed aim, lock on bug (still a thing?), etc...

You catch on very fast, sir

don't compare any class to bb master race please. BBs specced for AA combined with a fighter shreds planes - while your grozovoi even with AA spec just carries a little sign that says "cv food" (that is, if you go off alone - groz does have significant value staying with other ships. Not saying that is a playstyle that is fun though)

Why is suddenly everyone referring to leaderboards when it comes to balancing carriers? Never happened before afaik - and just a quick look on leaderboards for monty, yammy & gearing must qualify said ships for nerfing I guess?

wut? wut² ???

Yea, poor "catapult fighter" that exists out of a squadron of f16s. Activates extremely fast after spawning and is impossible to escape with a multitude of types. Typical WG. Fighter was too weak, so they buffed it to the extreme.

You first told me about three weeks ago ;) Nice little experiment though.

1-2 ? 3 tenryu 4 kuma 5 marblehead 6 nurnberg 7 i should really buy and try helena from all @El2aZeR's love declarations, but for now Belfast 8 hipper/kutuzov 9 none that i really like tbh - maybe st louis 10 zao

I'm not going to take side in the RTS vs rework CV debate, but I do want to make a nuance regarding "dumb(ing down)" It has been said that checkers is more of an intelligence game than chess, which is more a game of concentration. When I first heard that I was somewhat offended, cause I associated checkers more with my childhood and chess more with the game I preferred and kept playing (still do sometimes) - but in the end I had to agree. With the exception of the best chess players, most games will be lost because someone concentrated too much on one specific strategy/side of the board/... and "forgot" about something else (or more likely, the implications of said "else"). Not to mention fatigue. Checkers might be simple (literally one kind of piece, very straightforward and limited rules), hence the accusation of "dumb(er)", but it that simplicity that makes it more accessible and, indeed, would grant players to use their raw intelligence more than intelligence combined with extreme concentration. I'd say the same is true for RTS vs reworked CV. Both require intelligence to do well, but besides that RTS equired deep concentration and good enough reflexes. I'm not saying that focus and reflexes didn't require or constitute a certain skillset, and the rework certainly didn't use that skillset anymore (or very less so) but the rework makes cvs more accessible once again. However, that skillset doesn't just equalize to intelligence, and hence, the rework doesn't simply equalize to "dumb down". That's a qualification you (the general "you") make, but not necessarily true. It would be understandable of course that good RTS players, who have invested countless time and energy in gaining said skillset, are happy to use the term "dumb down", but that would be more of an emotional qualifier than a factual one.

vs fort glad to help ;)

Yea, you want last stand for yubari, though I'm unsure why you have it on your atago? replace AFT with manAA then, cause AFT is useless. Same for JOAT - replace it with EM or AR. I did one game with her since rework, shot down 16 planes. Quite ok for that tier. Dno if I had full AA build, I should have had at least manAA though.

Been a while since I had this Was a guaranteed win after I killed 2 of their DDs and we had all caps- so I went farming their BBs out of fear of yet another low damage game. Two strikes in and half my team had succesfully suicided...

Well... You're doing horribly in cruisers

From my few games with furious I'd say you don't want to face Bismarck to begin with... Regarding topic, it's literally the only british carrier I know by name, so I guess it would be nice to have it in game for those who'd like her (even though I could never see myself buying a t6/8 premium carrier atm)

Which ones do you include on that list? And is there a seperate category for overperforming ships less than three years old? If so ,which ones?

Well, that's the silver lining for WG in abandoning the idea of nerfing premiums - they can continue their lootbox sales. (As long as us freedomhating belgians don't get too much following too fast of course )

Yes, well done WG, You caved because a lot of noise was made by people don't liking their toys touched. If only you wouldn't have introduced this stupid idea of taking her to tier 6, but just tweaking some stats (concealment, accuracy) at tier 5 you might have avoided a lot of backlash.

No offense, but what is the point of this vid? You certainly didn't make the win possible, that was your teammates. You threw away a full squad of RFs immediately by just flying into red fighters, your torp drops on that montana were horrible, as were some of those DB drops. The damage is nice I guess, but that's because of a bunch of BBs going off alone in the middle of nowhere. (I guess, stopped watching after 7 minutes) Sorry if I sound harsh, but I went to check your profile (yea I'm that filthy) and I saw you have the record amount of (new) Midway games on EU. edit: wtf? Please tell me there's a bug in wowsnumbers, or did you really play 809 midway games in the last ten days?

Not really sure why you added hinden in that list - also it had a dpm nerf. But yes - and despite your sarcasm - Musashi is broken at t9, and if WG is going to continue with the nerfs for premiums, which I don't mind, I hope they prioritize her next.

Thing is, the tier tens - at least Midway - are good. From some adventures on NA I'd say Lexington is quite ok as well, even with the idiotic matchmaking. And I'm quite sure the Audacious will be strong as well - maybe too strong even, for let's say about 8 months. But for anyone that is new to the game and/or doesn't have the freeXP to spend (or unwilling to), WG has ruined it. Cause I don't see any average player, or even a lot of the above average players, putting up with the nonsense of all non-'tier tens' and the extraordinary amount of times you'd have to play these to get further. And that's not even mentioning those cvs with stock modules/planes etc. "Make CVs more popular"... yea right.

Just tried it, 4 times to give it some more chances. Well, the fourth one was more to check this theory about mm giving you top tier one in four games, after being effed hard three times in a row (tier 8 mm, tier sixes was me and one dd, then me and one dd and one lucky nurnberg, then some more tier sevens at least). At least the theory checked out. The ship didn't. It's a useless piece of ship. I'd prefer the Herpes cause at least it has decent matchmaking. Torps indeed the most useful (well, the only useful thing about her maybe), but flooding chances are laughable. LBs are a joke - what is that reticle, and does it have a correlation to where the bombs fall to begin with? Their pen is a joke, as is their firechance - same for the RFs. RFs are the only weapon against DDs, and aren't that bad - a few k on a good shot, but nothing you can do against a dd that gets too close I'd say - but beyond useless on any other shipclass. All planes die quite fast against tier seven, and are XP pinata's against tier 8. Can't wait to sell it. @MrConway what about an alternative to selling a ship? Something akin to "give ship away for nuclear bomb testing" - with a nice visual. Thanks.