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lol I looked at the stats and saw people playing her at sunicum level. I remember this being discussed in the forum before the ship came out. If WG didn't change it before it came out, i doubt they will change it now.

Well, I wrote about Plymouth's weaknesses and it not being a Mino but an upgraded Edinburgh as well before you bought it. I remember your post about you will get her with steel. Probably because, many people bought her (when i say many not too many actually. It has 28K battles only) thinking it's the original Belfast without really checking the ship. So, the stats are not surprising to me. If you are not good specifically in UK CLs, you will most probably not do much better in a Belfast '43 even if has an additional slot. Note: I also wrote about Austin some time ago. Just saying. :D

You know you needed to check her specifications before you spent money No. Because, 1) It's been through testings before it hit the live servers. Meaning, it went through certain monitoring and changes by testers and developers. Hence, for the most part it must be within the acceptable limits for sale. 2) It is not the real Belfast but an Edinburgh with smoke and radar in different slots. So, i would expect its specs to be similar to Edinburgh. We wrote on this forum a lot about this ship before and after it came out. 3) If you make a ship specific buff/nerf, it should be checked through all similar tier ships in the game whether these buffs/nerfs to the specific ship will affect other ships. In other words, what you are requesting could be a game balance issue. 4) She already has smoke and radar in separate slots. Why should she get any other buff? That would make her unnecessarily op.

Just curious, didn't you check the ship to see what it is before you purchased it? What if everyone does the same like you, just come here and complain for a buff after they buy a ship? Do you know how many premium ships there are in this game?

Got stuck here due to covid, playing with tourists.

Not a bad ship but also not that good either. Absorbs damage quickly yet, can't disengage quickly. Not too accurate for sniping and it doesn't have Yamato shells either. If you have Musashi, don't spend a dime on it. If you don't have Musashi, think about the other tech tree ships and why would you need this one.

No, for many reasons in addition to camo.

@Tanatoy and do these changes aim to solve problems like preventing afks, unsportsmanlike players, unskilled players from reaching golden league or these changes give them even more time to reach gold league and rank out by offering even more rewards? Do you think this is a ranked mode that truly measures player skills or how many times they press the battle button? If it doesn’t (and it truly doesn’t) measure player skill, why does WG call it Ranked (sprint or not)? To lure as many people as they can into this mode? Thanks.

Quote removed ^^Fixed it for you. You assume too much, and are mostly wrong. Gl, irl.

Majority of the WoWs player base is speshul as we always mention on the forum. Below is a screen shot of my team. Only one player other than me had wr over 50% in my team. Enemy team had three over 55% wr players with three other players over 50% wr. Hence, the game result is very realistic. These stats do show the caliber of these players as their game play was as horrible as their stats. Most of them camped at I-Line in an epicenter map although rings were captured by the enemy. Also, this is a typical game in WoWs. Nothing special or extraordinary to see here other than the one fry short of a happy meal players.

Exactly. The mentality here is "Customer is a customer. The more customers we have is better". Also it means the longer they keep customers in the game, higher the possibility of making them spend cash at one point. I think they try to balance this by newly joining customers. Their goal is not to lose anyone but if they do, there are new comers. Decent or indecent, purple or red players don't mean much to them, they check the numbers of players, how many premium ships and/or time they sell (let's say weekly/monthly). If decent whales are leaving the game, it won't make WG sad since they already sold most of what they could to those whales. New targets are acquired, new players. Let's keep them in the game, grow them and meanwhile milk them slowly. This is somewhat not disturbing. The disturbing thing we are talking about on this thread is, the players who intentionally sabotage the games. There is no precaution for such players, there is no perma punishment for such players. As there is no point of keeping them in the game either.

The chat ban system in WoWs roughly works like this ; 1. Imagine a Cafe with full of customers 2. One customer turns to another table and says "morning motherflowers" 3. Cafe manager gives him a warning that they will be suspended from talking in the Cafe next time they do it. 4. Same person comes next day, does it again, they get suspended for a certain period of time. The game suspension system in WoWs roughly works like this ; 1. Imagine a Cafe with full of customers. 2. One customer turns to another table and throws his coffee at them 3. Cafe manager pretends they didn't see what happened or mostly they are not in the Cafe and don't ever check the video recordings. 4. Same customer comes back tomorrow and does the same or a similar thing. 5. The customers who were thrown coffee at them complain to Cafe manager. 6. Cafe manager asks them for proof. 7. Victimized customers get confused. One of them recorded what happened to their cell phone and presents the evidence. 8. Other customers step up and say they are witness and they raise the issue to the Cafe Regional Manager. 9. Only after then, Cafe Manager tells them the person who threw the coffee at them will get a warning and maybe other appropriate measures like not being able to enter to Cafe for a week (but maybe). 9. This scenario keep repeating but the person who throws the coffee at others never gets banned from entering the Cafe and is never declared a PNG. Now another scenario that we see often in WoWs, A. One day (that is almost daily in WoWs) these two persons meet at the same Cafe. The one who likes using slang (Person X) and the other one who likes throwing coffee at other customers (Person Y). B. Person Y throws his coffee over at Person X. C. Person X says wtf are you doing. D. Person Y reports him for foul language. E. Cafe manager suspends Person Y from talking in the Cafe for a month. F. Person Y walks away and goes back to Cafe next day and throws his coffee at another customer. This is how it works in WoWs and some of us know all this. We shouldn't have to keep spending our time for providing evidences in terms of Person Y as WoWs staff take action by themselves in case of Person X. There should be a monitoring in the game for Person Y as there is for Person X. Also, just a note; I will always remind this, sometime ago someone wrote in this forum (I won't write here now their ign). if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything. This is a flawed, one-sided logic in terms of the game and in real life it can be very situational. Obviously, you won't shut your mouth to someone who tries pick-pocketing you on the street or when u see someone stealing your car, will you? So, with the same thick logic we can use below examples that will show us why it is a flawed logic; * If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say. * If you don't have a car, don't drive. * If you don't have a guitar, don't play * If you don't have sunglasses, don't wear. * If you don't have nothing nice to smell, don't smell. * If you don't have anything nice to wear, don't wear. Go out naked if you want. *If you don't have anywhere nice to stay, don't stay. Just sleep at parks. * If you can't play a piano, don't play. Don't even try it. * If you can't run, don't run. Just stand there. * If you can't sing, don't sing. * If you can't swim, don't swim. TL:DR WG will almost never perma ban their customers. It would be like shooting themselves on the foot. On the other hand, they don't improve the system either. Sad but, the situation is as i described above and what is presented to us players is an uncompromising attitude, take it or leave it. My way or the highway. ........ (fill in the blanks if you know more similar idioms)

It is obvious to the ones who want to see.

The thing is, it is not about he needs help, having a bad moment or needs to learn how to play. He plays like this on purpose. He is doing it intentionally. Causing zero damage to enemy ships, zero kills, zero PR and -1 frag on top of it shows, this is another player (just like many out there) who has serious mental problems and likes killing a teammate or staying at the corner of a map from start to end. His whole purpose is to work against his team. If WG wanted, they could have easily checked the players with such close to zero stats and see wth is wrong with these people but they don't wanna spend time for it and also these kind of players artificially increase the number of players in the game. Plus, some of them spend real money which is what WG wants.

No bro, it's got nothing to do with you. I'm just pissed at WG for their half-witted, meaningless decisions about capt rework and ships.

It is definitely not worth the hassle in gold league. I have ranked out in all bronze, silver and gold in three separate accounts to see which one is more satisfying. That is, one account ranked out repeatedly only in Bronze, the other one in Silver and the other one in Gold. Ranking out in the Bronze is like 15-20 games each time. Silver is also easy and has a little better rewards. Gold is just dumb. Consistently seeing 35%, 37%, 40%, 45% wr players (including most CV players were around this wr range as well) in your team just assures the Gold league is a bad joke. It is a Sprint where every player can rank out one way or another, regardless how incompetent and unskilled they are. So, why play with Bronze players in Gold just to have extra 5K coal, 200 steel and a meaningless token? After checking the game quality in all three accounts, time spent and rewards as compensation, i fully agree with you the Gold league isn't worth the hassle. Best to play and spend time is the Bronze league. Maybe somewhat Silver, too. But definitely not Gold.

What to do with the camo if the ship became unplayable? A tier 7 cruiser with max firing range 11.1Km is beyond joke. I checked again in the game if max firing range could be increased with captain skills, but no. No spotter plane, ridiculously low hp, 9.6km max detect range. WG is forgetting people spent steel to get this ship in the past. The question is, why did they want to kill this ship? I didn't even spec the captain skills after rework and won't play it again until it gets fixed. Atlanta gets extended firing range after rework but Flint doesn't. They just made Flint a true goby which is ironic as captain skills rework created the opposite, a more camping meta. Gl enjoying the camo, i guess.

He knows Fen Yang is far inferior to Akizuki so he compared it to Akitsuki, instead.

I was trying to be polite

Thunderer is an extremely noob friendly ship. Majority of players in random are noobs. Reworked captain skills made it even easier for the noobs to spam HE and camp. The result is the screen shot you posted. This game got awfully boring.

Well, there are better gunboats and torp boats than Lo Yang, too. The comparison in the first place is incorrect as one of them have DW torps and the other normal snail speed torps. Siliwangi has around 3K more HP. But Lo Yang is faster and more nimble with better speed and rudder. Siliwangi has bigger guns better range but poorer reload. The thing is, we can say the same thing for Fen Yang. If you have Akizuki, why get a poorer version of it? What does it give? It doesn't give anything. It has more smoke consumable with less duration compared to Aki and that's it. My personal view is Lo Yang and Siliwangi are completely different ships with different gimmicks having in common the hydro-acoustic only hence incomparable, and Fen Yang is the weakest of them all due its slow ROF, high detection range, slow speed and ultra-nerfed Asashio torps.

In which way? Because it is definitely not better than Siliwangi in most important ways. Siliwangi gives you Lo Yang hydro with nice smoke. Fen Yang is meaningless ship while there are better torp boats like Asashio, better gun boats like the closest one would be Akizuki but Akizuki rof much better and its defAA is useless against most T8 - T10 CV planes, unless you are playing in coop i guess. Fen Yang is a slow ship with guns that can't outgun many dds of same or higher tier and very situational Asashio torps but only 12km. Oh and the concealment isn't great either. What is the meaning of having Fen Yang seriously?

You don’t make any sense. My discussion with you is over.

Actually, I understand your point. What you are simply saying is, how can you measure Person X's skill in a 24 people game where (if) more than half just don't play as ambitious and determined as the Person X, right? Well, yes but this is not Sims or Tetris. This is a strategy and war game based on kills, damage and other factors. Hence, the skill is measured according to these factors. If half or most of players in a match are just there for fun, it is fine. That will not make Person X less skilled. In your example or analogy, the ending is Jim of course proves himself to be a good player in Sunday League and not in Bundesliga, etc. But he doesn't have to prove himself to be good in Bundesliga because he is a Sunday League player, isn't he? He can prove how good he is by comparing himself to similar skilled players. Hence, we don't compare Messi or Ronaldinho to a player from a third league of a country. On the other hand, there are many freestylers that are better with ball than Messi or Ronaldo but again we can't compare them because they are not playing football. Only exhibiting their ball skills. Maybe a better analogy next time?

Hi @Lemasive, I can prove counter points to your original post one by one but just woke up and don't feel like wanting to prove you wrong by getting into a long back and forth writing here :) All I'm going to tell you shortly is that I agree with #1 Reason. I'm afraid the rest are incorrect. There are different type of skillsets like general skills and specific skills (for every and each ship it differs) and application of these knowledge into the game (mastering practice) is totally another skill. But only having the knowledge does not form the skill either. Practice is needed. Think like, there are two calculus teachers, they both know calculus very good but one of them can explain it very well to students and the other can't. Hence, putting your knowledge into action is another skill. Now, they are many players that fall into your first reasoning but also they use their skills (up to a degree) the first moment they start playing this game. The difference is, they don't care of improving their skills later on and it is totally up to them. Using mods, top level captains or fully upgraded ships only/mostly help the players that already have improved skill level. Check out some of my gameplay videos with stock ships (no ship upgrade, no top level commander) that I upload from time to time to replays and you will understand what I mean... https://replayswows.com/profile/518052721/sort/uploaded_at.desc/# And, there is no such thing as learning from videos unless you are a brand new player :) Good luck, have fun!