_HomTanks_

Thinking of getting FDR, though any FDR owner can give me some insight about the ship after the nerf applied? I have other steel ships. So if i don't get the FDR, what will i do with the steel anyway...

When you think SUs have all ships dark purple at that point the ship type becomes irrelevant. And also when you think the population of such players is extremely small like less 1% the chances you’d meet one is also very low. Black would only help players between average and below average to exploit the radar against same level players since a very good player won’t take that bait and will sink them in their smoke or later anyway.

I see thunderer or Musashi almost every game when I play high tiers. And bumping into an SU player in enemy team is a problem independent from the ship type or nation. A very good player being able to make your game short is valid for almost any ship they play.

I can’t vouch for Tulsa or Carnot as I don’t have them yet (will get one of them tonight though 👍🏻) but can vouch for Kearsarge as it is unique and planes give it an extra edge. Playing Kearsarge is a different experience so to say.

Don’t worry. There is nothing you need to explain to me about the Black that I already don’t know. It could be the opposite though…

let me guess, you don't have the Black in this universe but you have enough experience in the Black at another universe to "know" what "should" be changed, let alone if anything should be changed.

I don't know, i guess it depends compared to who...Been playing since 1985, and you? Never heard such a thing, it must be relatively new.

I have Plymouth on my other account and played some games in it. First i didn't wanna spend my steel for an Edinburgh in T10 but i usually get the ships on my other account that are missing on this account, so i got it. It's not bad actually. Not as bad as i assumed before getting her. It lands heavy AP volleys to broad side ships, and okayish AP to bow in ships. Its radar smoke combo can be useful as long as you arrange your positioning and timing well. It is a ship that requires careful playing, maximum minimap awareness, not very difficult, not very easy. If i compare it with Austin, Austin is more difficult to play due to missing a smoke option. Austin is nice in divisions, especially the booster against broadside ships is satisfying but very situational. Plymouth is safer to play and requires lower skill ceiling than Austin.

I have Shiki but not specced it for secondaries, general BB build. It's a big un BB but guns are not very consistent. Low number of guns can sometimes make you miss Yamato. Shells can overpenetrate often but sometimes you can land 55K dmg shells to very angled enemy BBs which you can't do with most other BBs. So, it is a less consistent Yamato that can land deadlier shots once in a while with great boom effect. My favorite BB in the game for years. It is much better and more fun than Alsace or JB. Ragnar is like a ship that rejects the idea of being sunk that starts the game with a distant dakka dakka play style until the end. That's the only thing it can do since has no access to torps. Good guns, melts when focused, especially by multiple HE heavy cruisers or BBs or DDs or AP bomb CVs.. by pretty much everything. But it has guns. Division ship. Very difficult to get solo good games often. Don't have it, but might buy it just to include it in the collection. Though, i'm not sure if i will want to play it after so many nerfs and due to snail speed planes. Hope i did.

I agree with you. Regardless of a tier difference, Smaland will just cook a Black on one vs one at any given condition. Black is not a match for even his own tier counterparts such as Udaloi, Tashkent, Neustrashimy, radar Chung Mu, perhaps ZF6, Friesland/Groningen, Yolo Emilio, perhaps a Jutland, and Mogador.

Who says the ship has to be competitive to be considered op or not? How about GC, Nikolai, iwaki? And what is considered competitive anyway? And how is black competitive for that matter? I have many purple T10s, are they competitive enough? Besides I didn’t play prenerfed minekaze. This definitely is not how a ship is determined to be op or not bro.

I don’t have neither but Philippe Auboyneau seems like best in destroyers and Gunther Lutjens seems better fit in BBs/CVs more than other classes. What do the owners say? Do they agree or disagree?

Was Runner in the clan those days? That’s how i remember…

If your theory would be true, I’m afraid Minekaze (or I can copy paste tens of other ships) would have been/should have been considered op for years;

Look what I found I remember tokens but I can’t remember how many tokens I collected and got Benham. Just remember playing a lot and getting it at the end of event.

Thanks, totally forgot about it.

Which is the other dd that isn’t available anymore? It really is easy to play against it. A good player can definitely and easily bait black’s radar and make him waste a smoke and radar at once, that is if black has not already been spotted by cv or radared by enemy. People who cry about black being op are the ones who don’t have it, who never played it and hence who has zero experience in it. They’re just talking out of you know what, putting their assumptions before the facts. As Cammo1962 explained Black was considered op when it came out 4-5 years ago back when the game didn’t have half or more of the nations, and nations were not filled with radar cruisers, CVs, other radar/hydro DDs. One needs to understand that when this ship came out game was 1-2 years old not 6-7. Naturally, this dd didn’t have many counters (or any counter for that matter) and it wreak havoc in the hands of very good players. Very good players, because it was given as a reward ship to very good players who ranked out five times in the old real rank format (not today’s joke sprint rank). This ship in the hands of these players and not having enough counters in the game became very popular and was called op. As time passed by and more nations, ships, CVs and radars added to the game, black’s so-called op status diminished. Today still some people want it because either they are new players and they just want the old ships, or they didn’t have enough skills to get it from ranked at the time or they were too cheap to acquire it for steel or they were noobs then and still are. The ones who think Black is op clearly have zero understanding about the game and have no knowledge about how this game developed until now. As you wrote, I wouldn’t want WG to screw my ship in order to give it to others for free but I am also up for balancing. If they think it should be balanced then so be it. But as a player who’s been around since the beginning, I know the game’s past and current status very well and i have played this ship in the past and in the present so I can make the comparison and say it is not op at all. Now I am curious about what others (who don’t have this ship) base their claims on regarding it being op?….nothing, just picture little kids crying.

Ship Smasha (can’t make it popular), Eastern Dragon (can’t make it popular), Tiger (Giving it torps or better armor could make her op so maybe adding a double-triple whatever turret could solve it). ARP Maya, Mysore, AL Yukikaze, Ragnarok and some more ships are rarely seen in games.

Thx, I will check them later today 👍🏻

^ This. I got four or five times 1250 steel from Santa packs. Great deal. This year was much better than last year, that’s for sure.

Euro, I just played a game in coop with her to get the gift without any upgrade and cmd skill. I understand there are three ways to play this ship; 1. Gun build, 2. Torp build, 3. Hybrid. My question is; which build is more fun, more dmg farming (sounds like dakka dakka build already)? Or more influential for wins? For example, is it even better or more fun to go full gun build without concealment expert? And if you do so, what would be the fastest reload on guns? Does it any any AA to protect itself if you go full torp build and also what is the fastest gun reload in torp build, 4.2 (or 4) sec.? Is it better to go full dakka build with smoke or go full torp build without smoke, or hybrid build like dakka dakka without smoke or torp build with smoke?

and it's a rare ship.

yea, pretty much so.

But you can get the task stars by re-doing the same task over and over. You can choose the easiest ones that fit you and only work on those tasks instead of more time consuming ones.

Okay so in summary; I say, we need new campaigns. Karasu_Hidesuke says we need campaigns with more difficult tasks but better rewards in return. Karasu and Europizza also say they don't want time gated campaigns. Yewdy and I agree with having better rewards in exchange for more difficult or unusual tasks. Any other idea?