Karasu_Browarszky

I just had an extremely crappy battle on my Östergotland in a tier 8-10 match.. we lost... I was the best on my team....

Well, this could be a problem or not. I think you'd need to look behind this to try and come up with an explanation why this is so. First of all, there isn't a lot you can do with most ships one's you have researched the next one up in the tree. There is hardly any specific content for these ships, I'm again bringing up the subject of Operations or lack of them. Another explanation is that it is part of human nature to seek something better, and if this is made easy enough, people don't see any point hanging on on the lower tiers. Also, notice how many of the events are designed for tiers 8-10 or even just 9-10 only. That is a factor too.

I'm still of the opinion this isn't a real problem. You grind a ship, you spend a number of battles playing that ship, in the end you maybe know that ship very well. Then you go up to the next tier, and it's an entirely new ship and you have to start the learning process again.

I am.

Can't you just check it up in your handy captain's manual lying around somewhere on the bridge?

They say that grinding is the whole point of being alive but, man, they ain't talking about grinding warships... what 'end game content'? There is none for most people who don't do CB and barely touch ranked. If they think that tier X is 'end game content' they will be sorely disappointed. The only advantage to being in tier X is being at the top of the totem pole, in a sense. Otherwise, there is no benefit, and the maps are way too small for dynamic tier X play. The content in this game is battles. Battles of any shape, format and size, and they are not tier dependent for the most part. Operations has been brought up many times and this where there the problems are, not in 'grinding up too fast' which is not the case for most players, especially F2P.

I remember the 'shortage' in the early years, too. I think I went for the concealment only camo back then as well.

Makes sense to me. Most people don't plan to spend the next 20 years grinding one game, they also want to focus on the parts that they find fun. Grinding should not be the purpose of a game like this, it's more like a necessary evil. In the long term, having to keep an grinding will make people less interested in the game which I would say is not a good outcome.

If you are asking me, based on my experience with WoT, premium ammo is a game killer. Not everyone will agree though.

Do the F2P now get more flags/camos or what explains the difference it being half the battle count it used to be?

It is possible to lose in Coop. Sometimes the bots outplay your team, mind you, a lot depends on the map and how many bots you got on your team, human or otherwise.....

In Coop?

It's a good thing you had a balanced MM though.. oh wait..

I probably did worse... I free XP'd Hakuryu with the intention of doing a Coop with it.. as you might guess, little old me had forgotten to switch to coop so I ended in tier X randoms with little experience with CV's in general, no experience with Haku and being completely inept in particular...

And 300 battles, if we go from that, would mean about 33 battles per tier to progress. IIRC originally I was grinding all the components for every ship, nowadays I skip those and only go for the next tier, but not sure if newcomers are doing the same thing. Grinding the components as well would probably slow you to about 400 battles or so.

No, it doesn't. I wonder if it isn't a very useful indicator as such. Since mostly XP is damage related, it is probably easier to farm 2k XP on the higher tiers than it is on the lower tiers.

Advancing thru the lower tiers is relatively quick, at least if you have an idea what you're supposed to do there. How much XP would you need to farm on average per battle?

Ruling out XP bonus camos and signal flags, can an average new player actually break thru to tier 10 in 300 battles?

Hmm.. okay, but I'm not sure of any of us who have been around for years are really qualified to judge how newcomers are to grind up, as things were very different for us. Not only was the meta, ships and players very different, starting out in beta/open beta we had far fewer nations and tech trees to choose from us well. Things were fundamentally different is what I'm saying.

I really don't think it should take several thousand battles for anyone to reach tier 10... it's never been like that and if it ever were so, we'd have to pass the torch to the next generation at some point...

You mean.. currently good players team up against bad players?

Depends on what they will come up with. In WoT every time they've gone from bad to worse.. best hope they don't let the same 'designers' anywhere near WoWS....

Happened to spot a fellow forumite on the red team, @Gnirf . Wasn't actually doing much anything at that point any more... just watching the rest of my team sink...

It kind of smacks of premade to me.

Out of those 4 the Alaska is the only one I'd choose. Georgia I don't know, so can't comment, the other remaining two I do know... so I would skip those.