Bear__Necessities

*looks at own port and see almost every premium ever and every type of camo* ... no commment... As for new players vs veterans, I see your point. That I’m saying this as someone with the experience and skill from three years of playing. Who can grind an entire line in 150 battles. I don’t want it daunting like WoT. Just more challenging, maybe there are other ways to do that however.

A ship is only as good as the player controlling it. Stick a potato in a kami, GC or Belfast and they still get blapped. Silver ships can be equal to or better or more versitile than the supposed OP prem. Fiji comes to mind compared to Belfast. Though Belfast is slightly ahead in WR it’s other stats are comparable. Also since Belfast is limited and Fiji is a well played silver with more games you have to expect some WR difference. How are we classing a ship as OP? By overall WR? by consumables it has or tier it’s in? or by what an individual player can achieve?

Is that due to CV’s now only being even tier, missing 2 ships between 6 & 10? Or would it be the same amount of games?

True, I just think that it’s still a little to easy. Maybe takes away some of the challenge, even for good players. Not that I want a WoT’s grind fest. WoP’s seems the most balanced but they are shorter games. Same with WoT’s.

Your talk about “elitism” is awfully elitist... If a player wants to rush through ships, lines and tiers without practicing and understanding game mechanics and ship traits. That’s their choice. It’s a F2P game that doesn’t limit how a player wants to pay. If WG limit how to play, they lose the player base and go bankrupt. Simple economics. Maybe they should make it harder to grind. So that you learn, like WoT which as a grind is far longer and harder with a far less generous credit and exp system. The fact that in theory you can grind a high tier line in only 16 games is a bit.... short. Granted you need to have invested in camo, prem time, actually be good and maybe take advantage of the first win bonus. MM won’t ever fix bad players suffering. If anything you make it easier for the very good players to stomp through teams as there was will no bigger fish to stomp on them. MM has been 2+ for three years. It works. You get rewarded as a T8 in a T10 by getting more exp. Though it’s funny how there is never a thread started by a T8 player about how they feel sorry for the T6’s when they get to be top tier... hummm

A great run... makes up for the awful one previously

Kiting Zao is a no no. AP bombed to death. Kiting Khaba is far more effective.

You have to have a CV in team now. Pretty much been confirmed by how hard you get stomped without one. You lost vision and the ability to disengage while the team with the CV have constant vision and map control from it. Making stuff mandatory... hummm never been a big fan of that but we’ll see.

Those days are long gone now. I hear they are appreciated in China, just a rumour tho...

You really have no clue. For a start they capped the number of DD’s to 4 so where you’re getting the magic 5 from baffles me. You’re either lying or ignorant of the game mechanics. As for following planes over the course of a match. No . Unless you want a buff that makes planes invisible. It’s not different to when a DD launches torps and they get spotted, you then know the direction the DD is. Or following the gunfire trails of larger ships to work out where they are or what they are behind. Your posts smack of the fact you just don’t have the game knowledge and experience which makes sense with the amount of games you’ve played. Come back after a few 1000 and you might have some willing to listen to your daft ideas. CV don’t have the right to remain undetected and invisable all game. Spotting works both ways. Again. Get better.

For the record there is nothing wrong with a DD getting behind enemy lines. If you have the skills to get there and cause carnage you’re doing it right. I do it if the situation is right and favourable. Helped me kill 3 cv’s in 3 games last night and keep the large surface ships spotted. 3 games, same tactic, three wins and topping the leader board. It’s always easy to sink potato’s that don’t learn.

Yet another laughable CV moan thread by a player who hasn't the experience of understanding of the tiers or game they are whining about. If a DD has caught you alone and off guard. That is your fault and the fault of your team. You clearly lack map awareness and the ability to manage enemy ships. Even the mini map has options to show you last position markers, it's not hard to track them. If a DD has caught you alone and you die, then the DD has deserved that kill by being skill full/lucky enough to thread through an entire enemy team. Tough luck. If a DD has caught you alone, then you should have moved with the fleet or stay at least within 10km of the rearguard so you have defence options if needed. You're asking for nerfs when frankly you're a poor player. Your individual struggles at this game DO NOT warrant entire nerfs to ship lines. The entitlement of your thread is both amazing and ridiculous. From my experience as a player with 1000's of games in DD's and who is good at them your nerf request isn't warranted. There are already now a number of very good CV players who frankly have no issue with this. This an individual Learn To play issue. I've also been trying CV's on and off. 4 games the other day, 4 wins. I watched the map, spotted early stages when ships where blobbed and strong then picked of lone ships. Always had an idea where the DD's where and positioned accordingly. I'm just going to say what most of us are thinking here. Git. Gud.

2 CV’s targeting me together? Challenge accepted All them glorious flies swatted before my eventual death. Though I did take 1 CV down with me.

Chung Mu, having great fun in her. Boise still a close second.

IFHE Henri would disagree Wait... that’s rhymes! Go me!

Fast strong kiting cruiser. Heal is not needed. Islands are you’re friend and if possible keep a BB in between you and the enemy so they tank and you DPM then to death.

... T2 DD’s, in fact all DD’s are front line ships, with the lowest HP pools and are vulnerable to all damage from from all ranges. They need to be able to deal high damage as they have limited chances to do so. CV’s currently can send multiple squadrons of torpedos, 3 sets in a single run. Meaning more chances. I landed 17 torpedos on 2 BB’s in my Kaga last night with ease. Dealing 80k with multiple modules damaged. To land 17 torpedos launched from a DD means you’ve either have had to have an exceptional game, taken high risks. Or found an AFK ship. You’re example is laughable. Players like you make it REAL hard to defend CV with arguments like yours put forward. God knows I’ve tried to defend some aspects of the CV rework and still been insulted by CV players.

Therefore if time is man made, it therefore exists.

Just happily pointing out you’re a hypocrite. Seek therapy please.

You completely derailed that thread, I think on purpose. The point passed you by and yet in this one you’re having a good old moan about it. MM is fine.

entertaining thread this is

In this game we have 2 types of players. Those who get on with it it, do their best regardless of tier, play and get rewarded. And those that and moan about MM and how unfair things are and who get teams punished due to their selfish ways. This game (screenshot provided) sums it up perfectly. I was lucky, I got the T8 CV who took on the challenge in a game with T10's and was rightly rewarded for his excellent work, he came top with a great base exp. The Red CV who due to forum rules has to remain unnamed gave up part way through, committed suicide and ed over his team. We won, due to the fact our CV moved around the map smartly and was undetected even in range of 2 BB's at one point and also because our DD was left alive to cap uncontested on less than 100 hp, remember that important part. We won because their CV committed suicide and was therefore not in the last stages of the game to finish our super low HP DD and spot the CV in range of 2 BB's. His reason in chat for sabotaging his team? "I can't do damage on ships in a T8 CV" " Spot DD's?? Nah, that impossible now due to nerfs" "what's the point, T8 CV's are and are pointless".... Yet, it didn't stop our T8 CV topping the board and being instrumental in the win. I felt really bad for the red team. They had a win effectively stolen from them by a selfish arse who because he's a potato who can't do well feels he has the right to drag down 11 other players. If you're a player who moans about being T8 in T10 games, how about you stop the moaning and just play. Nobody wants that type of player on their team so don't be that type. You'll see T8's did quite well in this match. MM is working as intended. Has been for years.

You need to add a key word, CURRENTLY. Don’t underestimate WG’s ability to shoot themselves more times in the feet.

Every time someone pipes up that personal opinions are better than facts and numbers, like CV planes they will get shot down. Clearly the introduction of the new CV rework has deeply and negatively affected how the player base view WG, view the game and view other players. Such success. Such wow.