MrConway

We were talking about an unreleased ship, nobody has it ;)

There was no way for us to finalize balancing on the public test server before releasing the rework to the general population, this is an unfortunate reality. I think you can see by this morning's update that we are keenly aware of the issues and willing to address them as quickly as possible, but this doesn't mean we'll get it perfect on the first try. It might be a bit bumpy for a little longer, but I am confident we'll get the balance for all classes dialed in soon.

The point of the refund was not to let you refund unwanted premium camouflages, but refund CVs if you already had them. Since you did not have the ship prior to the update you clearly also were not using the premium camouflage. I agree that the in-game display should have been clearer though, my apologies.

Since the PTS doesn't go live until this evening, it might just not have been ready. Try again later today :)

Da ist in der Tat noch etwas arbeit notwendig um so einfaches ausweichen schwerer zu machen, mit dem Hotfiz heute Morgen wurde allerdings sowieso Schaden von den Wolken auf die Auras verschoben um dieses Problem erstmal zu beheben.

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You will get free XP compensation for any CV that you had in port or researched before 0.8.0, so you will still get it for the tier 8, 6 and 4 CVs. If we didn't restrict this, it would be too easy to abuse for generating free XP.

When refunding a ship you will be able to see whether it gives you free XP or regular XP, for any questions regarding the mechanics of the ship replacement and refund please check out our article: https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/cv8-which-nation-to-choose/

To make it work at tier 4 we would have had to nerf it significantly, whenever possible we prefer to change the tier rather than make extreme adjustments to shoehorn it in somewhere else. And while it is lacking some HP at the moment, that can still be adjusted :)

NO! You only get free XP for CVs that you had researched prior to 0.8.0. The automated refund of the camouflages is not ideal, but we also did not want to turn them into free doubloons for anyone that happened to pick one up in one of our many activities - which is why we tied it to the sale of the CVs.

Tonight - patchnotes will be on the portal soon! :) I don't think you'll like my point of view, but sure. World of Warships is an online multiplayer game that is by its nature different from a regular video game in that we are always working on new features ships and other things with an entire development team. This means that the game can, will and should change over time - which eventually will also impact premium content. We realize that changes to premium content are always problematic and try our best to be as fair as possible when it comes to compensation, but even if we wanted to we couldn't give people actual monetary refunds. From a technical perspective this would be an absolute nightmare to do, as older purchases can't just be reversed with a click, people's bank account information may have changed and many have paid with payment methods that don't allow refunds. I know that there is a lack of things to spend doubloons on in the client at the moment, but that is something we are working to address, you can see a first example of this with the Irian.

I'm going to duck out of here at this point, if you guys have more questions please feel free to quote or @MrConway! I'll make sure the feedback voiced by you guys is passed on!

This is sentiment I have seen quite a lot throughout this thread and is something I can understand. I'll make sure to point it out as feedback! She won't even be entering live-test before 0.8.1, so there is still some time for the whole testing process. I appreciate the collector's aspect of it, but l think that adding premium camos to the very low-tier ships would make them too profitable for veteran players, which could result in unfortunate seal-clubbing incidents.

More XP gain, more credit gain, more damage potential. If she needs some love (apart from the changes already talked about) then we can give her some more love to make her fun tier 6 ship.

I'm not blaming him, just pointing out that his stats support what we are doing :) This is something we are aware of (lack of things to spend doubloons on) and have started addressing by adding more items to the arsenal that are available for doubloons, like the Lunar bundles. This is something we are planning to expand on in future which should help alleviate your issue. Yes, even if we decided to go down that route it would be exceedingly difficult, if not impossible, to pull off logistically.

If we do start work on rebalancing other premium ships we will certainly use different approaches based on the ship in question. Uptiering GC is also still a test - we might go a different route. I am not blaming him, but he showed his own stats as an example. Even if we do nerf/change GC, you will still be able to use and enjoy her - we have loads of premium ships that are balanced and fun to play. And I would certainly hope it sets a precedent by which we can start addressing other problematic ships - but this remains to be seen.

While I am not in the balancing team and didn't see the numbers back then, it wasn't intended to be overpowered. Ultimately I find it very sad that the Belfast in particular is now almost unobtainable. And I am sure that all of the owners of any premium ships would be very unhappy if they could no longer use them in ranked battles, ignoring the fact that this would not help the situation in random battles. One of the things we want to do this year is continue the work we did last year with balancing existing ships and with GC we are looking at whether/how we will do this with premium ships. We are not planning to make this ship bad, nobody wants that - but it should be brought to a level where it is competitive and fun without being overpowered. Those that got GC could (if it happens) be getting an upgrade to a tier VI ship or the doubloons back if they don't like this. The timing was down to the time of year (it being Christmas) and not any plans to nerf premium ships.

My take-away from this is that we should nerf Orion, holy shit. ;) Also: Do you think it is normal that you have about the same average damage in GC that you have in KGV and DoY, both tier VII ships?

Soon. It's a Hot Fix, so it will likely come in quite "hot" and with very short notice. ;)

You will have to unlock Shokaku to be able to do this. The reason that you cannot just sell the camouflage outright is that this whole mechanic is obviously not meant to be used this way - its supposed to give existing CV players the chance to exchange their CVs for something else if they do not like the new gameplay.

Correct, which is why we also look at the ship's performance relative to that player base. If we can then see that the players are all performing much better in GC than they do in similar ships we can tell that there is an issue.

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about individual lost battles, it also doesn't seem as though this was a wide-spread issue - probably a localized one.

I'm not sure that is something we would want to consider to be honest. Keep the coal, there will be more ships available for coal in future - that way you can be first at them :)

Given how much she is overperforming we would have to nerf her quite significantly to balance her properly at tier 5, which would probably make her feel quite different. We feel a more elegant and player-friendly approach is to buff/balance her on tier 6 where she will still be just as fun to play.

In an ideal world we would never even have to consider changing premium ships, as it is we have some ships that are simply overperforming. I can just personally thank you for your support throughout the years and hope that you see that any potential changes we might make will be for the good of the game as a whole. And if this change, that is still in TESTING, actually happens, you might end up with a tier 6 premium BB. This is an issue we constantly have to deal with, no matter what we do, someone is going to be unhappy with it. That all being said, please remember that this change is going to be tested, this does not mean it will necessarily go live as is. All of YOUR feedback will of course play a role in that final decision, so thanks for weighing in!