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gun range is different, armor protection is different, torpedo protection is different, aa is obviously different, the look is also very different, not so much in fuso's case but in some cases speed is also different - doesnt this count for different ship in this game? we have already lot of examples among cruisers and destroyers when these alone is enough for tier step

in what way? when their performance and look are drastically different. italian bb's will most likely end up like that...and we already have that in the game: mutsu - nagato, and i bet there are many players who arent even aware that koenig albert and kaiser are the same ship (class)

split launch and refit configurations for battleships. the difference is enormous there. many A hulls were already removed because they were just not able to survive in the unnatural enviroment they were put in and youre still keep saying "historical" but my point is more about "more natural/fluid". there are never-builts which are way better suited to fill roles which wg assigned to real ships with fantasy upgrades - that's my main problem

ok. we can make it with 10 tiers as well - even time distribution: 5 years for each tier. unlike curent 10 years per tier for tiers 2 and 3, and 4 years per tier for tiers 4 - 10 but that would actually affect the game more drastically than the 12 tier solution because you would have to remove some ships from mid/high tiers. isolate from everything? what do you mean? they would just face the ships two tiers above like now. arkansas, nikolai etc. are also facing cvs and refits. this is more about space. even time distribution would make the jump less prominent and wouldnt strain the ship as much as now and what uniformity are you talking about? the point is there is no uniformity or i'm probably missing the meaning you have in mind. the problem is that right now ships have to jump like 20 years from tier 3 to tier 4 (and from tier 1 to tier 2 also) EDIT: no. just restructuring the low tiers. from current tier 4 would everything remain the same...and yes, 2 configurations of the same battleship in 2 tiers is exactly what i'm talking about. ...and regarding the population of your historical mode: it seems to me that you are not realizing that pretty much only tier 2 and tier 3 ships would be allowed right now. and you still dont see the problem with this mode? this can work only as arranged event for some friends but not for a server

i would have to repeat all the things i already said: where do you get the ships for the mode? who will play this mode (queue time)? it wont work i posted this image milion times but this is probably only solution. the game just needs fluid timeline edit: matchmaking rules illustrates pretty well how incoherent are low tiers right now either that or just scrap every ship before 1920 because the mess we have right now is not worth it

ok. so why they cant be in their original configurations in the game? because low tier ships are just misplaced. put these ships against adversaries against these ships were designed and we will not need fictional upgrades and some modes and you cant make historical mode for dreadnoughts when we dont even have enough ships in their historical configurations in the game and not even enough space for enough dreadnoughts in tiers. not to mention that splitting the queue is always bad move. mode is not the answer. mode is just not possible

why you people still keep talking about modes? like if that ever worked...do you remember historical battles in wot? horrendous queue times. i doubt this will ever work...maybe like pve (which would be way more interesting that the current ones if you ask me) still the problem is that game is heavily focused on ww2 stuff and everything before seems mistreated and misplaced. i would rather have consistent ww2 game than the mess in low tiers

i like her look. she's sleek

i thought she wont. even with 457mm

there are so many values about the guns which can be tweaked to desired performance. do we really need another montana/kurfurst? conqueror would be much more interesting with 18 inches

+1

conqueror is looking so good with 4x2. i dont like the idea of changing that

not necessarily. in case of battleships - launch and refitted configurations should not share same tier but should be splitted. we have plenty of removed A hulls already. and there is usually lot of ship to choose from in case of cruisers and destroyers (...well, except for russia...) i have the feeling that wg will add two tiers eventually anyway, because we already have ships which you can not fit into certain tier without problems, because there isnt enough space - in one tier it is op and in the other up

you have to look at each example. if there wouldnt be carriers at tier 4, german battleships wouldnt need fictional refits...simply speaking. if ships would be facing the enemies they were designed to face, they would not need fictional upgrades (although the iron duke case would be still a bit tricky since the ship stands in a difficult spot...still one funnel instead of two is way better than what happend to german bbs) you cant make this game without paper ships. thats just fact. but as long as i am ok with paper ships i'm not ok with fantasy upgrades for real and iconic ships which turning them into unreal and not iconic ships - and thats a big difference for me

speaking for myself i have never problem with paper ships. my only problem are wrongly placed paper ships (f.e. refitted myogi - although she is imho best looking paper ship by wg). 12 tiers would put german bb tree into shape i would like to see. kaiser, koenig and bayern could remain in their historical configurations and fictional refits would received never-builts like mackensen or ersatz yorck or other projects

yeah. both koenig and kaiser have this issue. i adressed this many times and nothing changed...evidently german helmsman has to have eyes like x-men this isnt just about launch date, dont forget about refits which in bb case are almost from scratch rebuilds (italian bbs!) im ok with some minor tweaks, especially for game balance, but low tiers are so much squeezed that there are meeting ships which separates 20 years of naval development and lot of these ship is rendered bad just because they are forced to face way too advanced adversaries

sadly low tiers are not properly treated. we have 20 years of very dynamic naval development squeezed in 2 tiers (and tier 1 is completely out of the game). ten tiers are just not enough. wot starts in 1930's and this game in 1900's. result of that is that we need fictional upgrades to make ships competetive against adversaries for which they were never designed

nvm

i would like to address my little issue. as you can see i always liked the fact that i can put links into my signature to my threads that i find important/interesting so they are easily accesible. now you have limited allowed number of links in the signature to only one. could you make an exception for the links inside the forum?

oh. sorry. i just get that you were not talking about me...nvm then

read ones again what i wrote... and look on these http://www.shipbucket.com/Never Built Designs/Germany/CV Graf Zeppelin 1939.png http://www.shipbucket.com/Never Built Designs/Germany/CV Graf Zeppelin 1943.png

imho, these look like initial design. it was planned (or partially done, not sure) to make some adjustments like the funnel cap and more pronounced bow, etc.

wait, what? Jean Bart? who chose it? did I miss something?

i wanna know who likes a post...but also who dislike it for that matter

sad that low tiers are treated as something which has to be quickly skipped to get to the "real" ships (which is quite ironic when you realize that there are more real ships in low tiers than in high tiers). and wg isnt helping with this at all