Excavatus

Hello OP, It would be better to make your stats public. Most recruiters ignore private profiles for various reasons. Good luck in search!

Thats not the full scope of the problem. Some ships will always be the meta. Thats the nature of competitive modes. Before Kremlin... it was always montana in CB.. %99 desmo.. was a must pick! it goes like this. Some ships have some advantages over others in different environments, then those ships will become meta.. Do you think Graf spee is not balanced? because it was the TOP pick by far in the last season? Or destroyer aigle? is that ship not balanced for you? If no, then why more than %50 of the DD players picked it?

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eerrm.. because he enjoyed? :P

fuel to the fire I see :) please don't.. On the subject matter, I can understand the decision, Basically, on a very rough and global level... WG has a player base who likes to play CVs. And they do not want to exclude a player base officially out of a game mode. I can understand that I can respect that. But one can say, by this decision, WG excluding another player base UNofficially from the game mode, which is slightly (!) bigger than the CV player base. Thats the problem WG has to solve. Another problem WG has to solve it, which we've seen in the last tier 10 season, Matches, line ups, tactics gets EXTREMELY boring, and frustrating for the players. Especially in higher leagues... So, I see they are trying to solve these 2 major problems... - cyclone - 8km limited detection for planes - air spotting mechanics change - new really great AA long range hard hitting BBs (I'm looking at you... you snail line!!) Will these be an answer to all these problems? I have a forecast but I'm not sure, and as always I'll save my judgement after experiencing it first hand. But even though CVs seems to be the major problem in CBs, they are not the only one... We've had stalingrad problem, We've had kleber problem, Last CB we've had venezia problem, IMO, how much you change the mechanics is not important. If the mechanics are static throughout the season (a.k.a. rules are not changing) There will be a meta settled, and at least half of the people will find that meta boring... Thats the nature of competitive.. The only thing IMO can be done to prevent that, using dynamic rules in the season, change the line up limitations from league to league, week to week, change the tiers, change the maps, change the mechanics, change the modes etc etc... keep it dynamic, force teams to research, try and find new metas every week! CB's were my favorite activity in this game, and I've lost my interest greatly, way before the CVs introduced. and as a player who plays CVs mostly lately, I can say, I didn't have any fun in tier 10 season. It was as boring and as frustrating as me as for the surface ships..

There is another bigger thread for the same subject. Two will be merged!

Enterprise I don't think I need to explain why :D

Enty rockets are OP just because you can turn and aim at the same time.. But I can kill a benson with 1 squadron of Shokek and Lexy as well.. And my friend, that not a good CV player at all.. nope.. just plain bad..

you didn't get the point at all! you playing against a CV good or bad.. is about you only %10... it is %90 depends on the CV player.. and that is the problem. Most of the CV players being bad... is not an argument for CVs being ok in the game. and from your example screenshot, feeding 40 planes to a hayate without even killing it.. just shows how bad that guy is :)

Good question, For example, Counter against Torp boats.. you use your brain as a player (not you specifically here..), hydro, WASD.. You may stop chasing a DD.... about BB AP, you may angle, you may tank, you may bait shots.. What I mean by counter, by doing / using something Under YOUR CONTROL, you can mitigate the damage you may take greatly or even nullify it... But you don't have that chance against CVs.. The only thing that can save you is either the enemy CV being a bad player.. or blobbing up with your friends.. and in that case, which makes you give map control to the enemy team, which basically makes CV influencing the match towards his team again. The problem is, CVs playing a completely different game than the surface players.. and the interaction between them is just a one way street. It is designed that way. I'm not going in to the topics of CVs are the tankiest ships in the game, having the best AA, ridiculous consumables and game mechanics etc. etc... The counter should not be an absolute.. can be partial.. Like AP rockets.. When you are in a DD, If you know what to do, AP rockets will not be a problem for you ever.. they are the balancing effort of WG in CV - DD interaction IMO. you can't be killed by them.. Unless you are already very low... Last night in a very regular match, It took me 1 squadron of rocket planes in Enty to kill a benson, probably in total of 30 seconds.. the only thing he could do was stay behind.. in the protection of his own fleet.. then what? people take positions, and poke DD to go cap.. spot.. yeah :) great.. The fundemantals of the reworked CVs prevents them to be balance If you ask me.. Thats my opinion. you cannot make both sides of a CV-Surface ship interaction having fun at the same time.. with this model.. it is impossible.. it is either surface ships obliterate planes and say "Send more planes noob!" then the CV player Cries... or the CV obliterates the surface ship and the surface ship cries.. I'm at the same point where @El2aZeR was even at the testing phase of the CV rework.. He screamed out "THIS IS SO MUCH BROKEN, CANNOT BE BALANCED AT ALL" we only had 1 patch where the balance looked okish.. 0.8.3. and numbers of CV players dropped like a brick into the ocean.. why? because AA meant something in that patch :)

Claiming that there is a counter against CVs, and it is really ok to play against CVs.. is just.. ignorance If you ask me.. The problem is, the general stats shows CVs are ok.. ish... but It does not change the fact that CVs can have more influence on the game than the all other ships combined in a given match :) a lot of people not knowing how to play a class does not make that class balanced...

Ladies and gentelmen, This naming & shaming and pissing contest over numbers must end soon. Would you like to end it or carry it over to the PMs? or should I help you to end..? Your pick!

It won't work.. Every idea about the CV, in a seperate topic or in the main one, just turns into same old discussion.. we have 3 sides.. 1) hates the CV and wants it to be removed or nerfed into oblivion, 2) loves the CV because thats the only class they can have more than %50 WR, and defends it as it is completely balanced and have many counters againts it. 3) actual CV players who knows CVs are broken and impossible to balance in this form... and just having fun dealing judgement from above at the same time :) oh and another class actually.. surface captains who thinks in general CVs are not that bad to play against... Thats the people I really don't understand :D

so you guys don't like the little surprises around islands?? How rude... But I've heard on a recent twitch.. Guess it was flambass.. there is a mechanic which slowly pushes you away from the island.. I don't know if it is true or not.. But I hate those points too..

HOW DARE YOU KNOW MATH!!!

If you think someone is breaking the forum rules, please report that post instead of posting a message about it. Because discussing moderation is itself a rule violation. And please do not forget, attacking a person is a violation, attacking an idea even though how vicious that attack is.. not..

WHO WHAT WHEN!! I'm not even paid to read the forum all day!! Just pesky test ships... (love you kitakami!!)

I'm not here to recruit.. But I know this guy... good player.. getting better.. learns faster.. listens good... Just saying :)

My Georgia is more beautiful!

collect coal, get a tier 9 coal ship with that coal, Play that ship to get credits instead of signals and / or camos. Signals, camos deplete... Pommern will love you until end of time! PS: get a premium account too.. that will help

They have a higher intelligence level bots.. They tried to put them into the game.. randoms(newbie protected area) and especially co-op Guess what, people started to have more losses than wins :) they cried.. You are about to enter the full PVP random mode in a few games.. you may miss the bots... Some of us do...

so what you basically say is, Stats are irrelevant and you cannot make a decision over stats about a player's skill.. am I right?

please use the MM thread. topic locked