Miragetank90

@AnotherDuck it seems we arrived at this point in part because you don't understand the definitions of the words ''Condone'' ''Justify''. To Justify is to: ''show or prove to be right or reasonable.'' When a person justifies an action, they show it to be right or reasonable, therefore defending it. You can agree, and not justify, but you did not do that. You went full ham and defended it by saying they deserve it, and the justification provided for your stance is that they ruin games and generally suck. So, you provided defense for it. Which means, dear ducky, that you justified it. But it seems that's lost to you, or maybe not, maybe instead you seek to twist definitions in the dogged hope of trying to weasel out of what you said, because you can't stomach the way this is going. Either way I really don't get it. I mean, I was even nice enough to overlook the fact that you did indeed condone insults here, even though you claimed not to. ^^^^^ that is the definition of condoning, in your case referring to insults directed at whichever party. ''accept (behaviour that is considered morally wrong or offensive)'' Nobody's perfect Ducky. And since when is encouragement to refrain from insults a false sense of morality? It's more like sound advice. Sure, if you say so. But that's not what I am arguing. I'm arguing that insults do not help make your problem better, so you said nothing of relevance there. You know I could end my argument here, because you've told me exactly what I want to hear. Indeed, two wrongs don't make a right. Ergo, the act of insult to someone who has wronged you doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it better. And now, we have come full circle, and you agree with me, dearest ducky.

Yes, and both belief that someone deserves insults and justification for that belief exists in your first post. There, you are saying that they ''deserve all the scorn and insults'' and at the same time, justifying the action, ie. providing a reason why this is a good thing: ''because you bring down the enjoyment for others for your own selfishness.'' And yes, if you really want to be specific about the pedantry, I cannot say with certainty from your original post that you specifically condone such actions, strictly speaking. However, your justification for them is enough to call you out as doing something wrong. Are you sure about that? I mean, you say you don't ''actually tend to insult players just for playing CV'' but you basically tell me you might insult WG and their employers(I'm guessing you meant employees, since WG is the employer?) And all I'm trying to tell you for some hours now is that Insults are not the best way forward, while you keep trying to justify that behaviour, even saying you might do it, even whilst saying you do not condone it. So basically, your position is crystal clear, and I was not incorrect here: Note that I didn't use the word ''Condone'' there. You are justifying poor behaviour by the belief that CVs are griefers and ruining the game. No matter the issues people have with WoWs, insulting others is not good, my dear ducky, no matter how you slice it.

This. And that too.

Did you, or did you not say this: Because your stance seems pretty clear to me. Is there something wrong with what I said in my last post? I tried to take the time to consider each point and respond properly. If I'm mistaken, please tell me.

Your comparison is fair. No, I don't condone violence against people who insult anyone, in fact I don't condone violence period. But, I don't accept your stance on resorting to insults in the first place. No, I'm saying insulting a group of individuals, especially in a blanket fashion as in your case - directed towards CVs and WG, is wrong, especially since in that case and here, we have a problem which is not down to the individual but rather one on a grander scale. Therefore, insulting the individual(or saying they deserve it) is wrong, because they as individuals are not to be blamed for the state of the issue. The example I provided was meant to illustrate that. It's OK if it doesn't hold up to you, I already said you can disregard it if you don't like it. In the end, it still doesn't take away from the fact that both of these constitute poor, antisocial behaviour, and questionable logic. My argument is not any weaker for it. I didn't compare anything save for the virus analogy. The reason I said yours is not a fair comparison is because these are 2 completely different things. Why is it that effective tactics in CVs are griefing, when to you effective tactics in DDs, I daresay, are not? It's because you think CVs are broken and too strong, they ruin the game for others, as you've made abundantly clear. This is fine, your opinion is respected as far as I'm concerned, but your response is not. I am not arguing that your opinion is bad, I'm arguing that your reaction as a result is. Do you understand? I would try to seek to justify my behaviour if I had an inkling that me playing CVs is me being selfish in any way - I don't. The one who is seeking to justify his/her negative behaviour here is you, by claiming that - because CVs are ruining the game, my insults and those of others are justified. ''They deserve it.''

Like I said: Take it to WG. Your condoning Insults do nothing to solve your problem, and the act of the insult only serves to give you a temporary, imaginary victory over the internet at someone else's expense, that is playing a class provided to them. And still WG does nothing, and still you keep at it, because it's how you cope with what is going on(Nothing is changing, they don't listen, CVs are OP) Look, everybody has coping mechanisms of some kind and I mean, no one can stop you of course, but what progress do you honestly feel is being made towards anything with this kind of behaviour, that you condone it? It's not exact, but it doesn't have to be. But feel free to disregard it if you want, it doesn't undermine my points and is not the crux of our conversation. And no, of course not. You can read as much yourself, I never talked about that. Fighting games are different. It's not fair to compare spamming cheap attacks to playing a class of ship. One example why: No one picks up a fighting game and says ''I want to spam cheap attacks'' but in WoWs, you have a large number of people who picked up the game just because they like the idea of a WWII Naval Combat game, a sizeable number of which are also interested in helming a Carrier. I was one of those people. I actually just like enormous ships, I think they're beautiful, I want to play them and collect them. And now look, I'm a BB main by a huge margin, with Cruiser and CV as my strongest class. Do these people deserve to be derided simply for partaking in what the game offers? Again, no, they don't. Again, this is neither their fault nor their problem, and any grievances you have should be directed towards WG. But not like this: Because even if they don't listen, insults literally do nothing but make you feel better for a while. In another scenario, say away from WoWs and irl, this just ends up hurting your cause, and possible physical trauma to your person. You know this. So why do it? Better to be polite and persistent. Maybe they won't change a thing, sure. But at the end of the day it's a lot less ugly than just insulting them for it.

I get the point you're making, I suppose that makes you and me griefers. In any case, I don't agree that we're griefing people simply by playing the CVs we are provided with. Griefing implies going out of your way/deriving pleasure from actively trolling someone within the game. All you are doing, I venture, is playing to win, and getting your damage, just like any other class. Only, the tools CVs are provided with are a source of anxiety, and the way they have to be played is misconstrued as griefing. When the subs come out, we'll be seeing this accusation come around again when you get subs harassing BB players all game, thanks to them making use of their tools and mechanics inherent in the design. Doesn't mean it'll be correct. I don't see how. Cheating is a result of a conscious decision to break the established rules to gain an advantage. You cheat with the intention to do so. I can't speak for everyone of course, but I don't play CVs with the idea that I want to give people a crappy time(Otherwise, I wouldn't play a piece of crap like Indomitable ) and I'd hazard a guess that most people don't. Further, you and me are not breaking any rules by playing CVs.

According to you, that is the CV. So how do you know whether someone in a CV is playing it because they want to deliberately grief others? Using myself as an example, I'm not interested in griefing people, I just like Carriers and warships in general, so I play them. Am I still qualified to be a target of righteous indignation, even though griefing doesn't interest me in the least? It's not exact but there are some parallels. WG created the CV for WoWs. WoWs players play the CV. They get targeted by insults just for playing the CV. The virus originated in China. Chinese travellers spread the virus. Chinese abroad get targeted by insults just for being Chinese. In either case, nobody is deliberately spreading anything. In WoWs, the players play what has been given to them, the CV playerbase at large is not deliberately making you mad by playing the class, it's the mechanics and implementation of the class that are making you mad. The individual is not at fault, so they should not be targeted. If you have anything to say about CVs, you should save your insults and instead take your beef to WG.

No, that statement is an appreciation of a general truth. Insults are neither a constructive nor socially acceptable way of getting anywhere(comedy routines notwithstanding) or are you suggesting otherwise? Are the racial insults directed towards Chinese individuals as a result of the pandemic acceptable and perfectly reasonable, and should not be dismissed out of hand nor reprimanded? Insults do nothing to solve the problems you are currently facing. It provides your mind with a fleeting relief with the idea that you did something and it makes you feel good, when you in fact have accomplished nothing, and have done nothing but attempt to wound another for the sake of your feeling better. That is the sole point of insult, whether one admits it or not. It is, in part, a coping mechanism, and one that should be kept in check. Not given free reign. They took away my Essex. Feelsbadman.

Oh yeah... Best part is, I have a front row seat

I can't wait to hear this exact line echoed all around when subs come into the game. Round and round the circlejerk goes. Yay. Isn't it lovely?

Gascogne is actually really good, if you know how to use it. I love that ship, it's a little like a mini-Republique and I adore Republique. She has an amazing cooldown on her heal. Far from garbage, you've been misinformed here. Lenin is a different beast. Very strong ship, she's like a brick. Imagine pre-nerf Vladi accuracy with just a weaker citadel as tradeoff. 10/10 would recommend.

Try asking in the mod section of the forum, I believe there is a mod requests section. To do that, you would need to mod the game.

You know, you are on fire lately

Reported for spam. jk, it happens.

Every answer you'll ever need is right here.

So let's address that then, starting with this: If they are in smoke, they cannot see ships outside of 2km proxy spotting range, without one of these happening: - They have Hydro/Radar to spot - They have team mates/planes outside spotting for them - The enemy fired their guns close enough to their smoke, so that they spot them. The range at which the DD can spot them depends on smoke firing penalty of the enemy ship in question. As for having 4 DDs per team, it's really nothing new, but maybe you feel like you see it more often. In the end though nothing changes all that much really, except you have less damage to farm in the end... this part makes me sad.

Friendly advice, it's not the DDs that are your issue, but rather a lack of knowledge of game mechanics. That being said, if after understanding the mechanics you don't like the way they work, or you don't like certain things like smoke firing, maybe it's better to play another game, because this is a core feature that has been around since forever. You may derive more enjoyment in playing something else. That's understandable, and it's OK. Peace.

Yep, Kremlin's guns are very derpy unless they're close to you. At these moments, it's amazing, otherwise it's pretty hit or miss(not to say you can't blap someone at range though). Despite what this diagram implies, Yama guns are way more reliable and way more consistent in terms of accuracy.

I assume these are all stock without dispersion modules? Please do not introduce Slava without nerfing this dispersion.

It is what it is. Just a general tip to help him stay alive longer and do more, since we can't see exactly how he is playing.

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So just some general advice I guess - start the game by shooting at ships with all guns while moving to your position, generally speaking your position shouldn't be too close to any cap in the beginning until you have a better idea of the way the enemy is deployed, while keeping an eye on your own teams' deployment. Then it's a matter of deciding what to do at your flank, whether to go on the attack, wait, or kite away, again depending on what the enemy is up to. Don't be afraid to push with Yama. Contrary to mistaken, popular belief it's one of the better pushing BBs, as long as you know how to handle it and it's weaknesses, and you have a little situational awareness. And she actually resists HE well. Look at her armour scheme and you'll see what I mean. Her deck armour is excellent, and even her funnel is 50mm all round, you'll get more shatters compared to some other BBs. Amidships above the belt is only 32mm, however, so that part is weak to the relevant HE, like the ends. Last ''tip'' is somewhat unorthodox, but I take rudder shift mod. on my Yama. You'll be on fire for a little longer, but your manoeuvrability is significantly improved and Yama becomes pretty nimble. I take this because it fits my playstyle, but if you have problems with how she handles you may want to try this. And of course, get the legendary ASAP. Possibly the best Legendary in the game. Yama is still one of the best BBs in this game and very capable platform.

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I like how this became a political discussion. Also: