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Its all coming clear you just want a new free RN prem ship... with you not surprised... Not bad idea.. give players a coal or steel option as replacement. Give Steel and players that want coal can just convert and this option is one of the tests. I would not be surprised if this will be an extended test and there may be other ways to balance her tested Thing is we have not been told what the compensation will be. (unless i miss something). personally (and i too have loads of tier 6 Prem ships (11) prefer this option to Nurfing.. after all at least the XP/credit return is higher If (and i cant see how they could) they offer a real world money option it would be up to the player (as in the real world) to supply proof of how much real world money they paid for her. As no player that bought her with a voucher or in a prem shop sale has the right to expect the full money value back. and players that got her with doubloons should only get doubloons back

They do indeed but by about 2% win rate from most tech line BB's and by damage Texas is about the same and October by about 16% Texas douse a lot better by AA kills (no surprise there) But if we compare GC to tech line ships she has 40% higher average damage when compared to Iron duke and more than 5% higher winrate. Mid tier Prem ships almost always perform better than there Tech tree counterparts as many players playing them have high point commanders from the tech line counterparts.... GC however her numbers are out of the field. Do wargaming have to think how they release new prem ships yes i think they do. As I said before on other threads there should be a 3 or 4 month period after launch where we gat some extra benefit if we have the ship. BUT we must except after this time the ship may change to a more stable balance. The nature of prem ships they are the famous ones. The ships people have heard about and have a rich history... so WG want to keep selling them. If they withdraw them because they are OP this cant happan. withdrawing those famous ships from Purchase will hurt the game. As the story's of these ships is what brought many here in the first place. Buy a lot smaller margin. And ARP ships have not been avalable for a LONG time she is being taken out by more experienced players.. simple count in last 2 month son EU server 659 players have taken out the Kongo 125 have taken the ARP (kongo's) out http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190209/eu_2month/average_ship.html Look Guys I am not saying this will work.. BUT Lets test it. Lets get see if its possible to some of theses famous and fun Premiums back on the market. and maybe instead of saying i want to keep my OP ship that ruins the game for players that dont have her. Say Well I had that 100 or 200 or more great games in that OP ship i was lucky.

On this as well. I cant remember but was she given to CCs before release?.... Im not sure but in the past they used to get them a day or two before release.. I think its been quite resent that they give them to CC's in the live server ST time. and also to reiterate your point. Flamu said Cambeltown was CRAP not as good as Wakatake or Wicks as she has worse torps config as IJN ship and worse guns than Wicks.. From day one she completely outperformed both ships and was she is very strong and in my opinion OP. (and no there was only a RN BB in game at the time so players did not have high tier RN DD commanders). So no we cant always say CC's opinions are correct.. Testing ships is not easy we super testers can often have widely differing opinions on ships as well. and though a live test helps a lot you cant tell with certainty what a ship is like till you gate thousands of matches to get a stable stats of the ship.. Remember uptiering is giving you a higher Value ship.. tier 5 BBs are around 20€ tier 6 are around 26€ and again you get a higher XP and Credit return. All I am saying to everyone is lets see how the test goes before we grab the pitch forks. If this idea of getting withdrawn ships back in game is that bad? I bought the Błyskawica and Belfast not because they were good ships but because i had been on board and had walked the decks.. Many players do the same.. should new players not have that chance? I will play the tier 4 and 6 RN CV not because they are powerfull but because my grandfather served on both during the war... Players like me are way more prevalent than in tanks.. People play many of the prem ships because they feel they have a connection to them.

Why did they create the ship. why did they create the Belfast. To Sell. Many of the Premium ships in the game are famous ships there the ships that brought people to the game in the first place. Wargaming don't want to remove these ships if they prove to be OP. As its theses hips that bring people in.. HMS Belfast is the largest museum warship in the Europe no selling her and having the tie ins in game with the real ship and the IWM (imperial war museum ) is just dumb. If they can make the uptiering as part of the balancing work it means players that already have her may be pissed they no longer had an OP ship, many of which bought her because she was OP (Probably me included) so I don't have much sympathy for us if she gets nurfed, we are lucky we could take the OP ship out for as long as we did. But as a higher tier ship there XP and Credit rewards for matches will be higher as she is a higher tier ship. This goes some way to balancing out the ship not being OP any more. the decrease in these OP ships in game is not what is wanted.. Wargaming NEED and WANT these famous ships in the game and purchasable. Just think if visitors to HMS Belfast could buy a giftcard in the gift shop that would give them HMS Belfast and some other gooddies in game..What a Great way to introduce new players. This car could be sold in ALL the IWM and naval dockyards around the UK if not the world.. Other cards could be made for all those other Prem ships around the world that just happan to be museum ships. Also there has been a lot if discord from newer players that encounter these OP ships like Belfast/Kimakaze/Krasny Krym and Nikolai I, and cant buy them themselves. This is not a good way to retain newer players.

Sorry but there should be another option...... Let Wargaming to the test and see how it works. lets just remember at the moment she has a 5% higher winrate than than other tier 5 BB's and 20% more average damage. only ship with higher winrate is Kamakaze. Across the bord she is number 1 on the BB leader board and for all those saying her AA is pants.. Well she's second to Texas (which has insane AA)

Not sure i agree.. after all the real money value of doubloons/gold has been the same since launch..

Ok im in work, but can you clarify.. after all i thought there was no change if you DID NOT press the F key. so if you attack and keep you planes active you can still maneuver them, and the ones that did the actual strike become invulnerable just like before.. My understanding is what this patch douse is you have to manually fly you planes to a SAFE area (outside AA bubbles) before pressing F to return to CV if you dont want them to be vulnerable

Hay all not read all the thread yet. But one thing they maybe could do for ALL the community and not just the people they refund the doubloons.. @MrConway how about as a good will gesture unify gold/doubloons across all WG titles that have them... after all 1 doubloon costs the same as 1 gold so there is no reason not to... As many of the community play two or even all three titles. it would alleviates the so many doubloons and nothing to spend it on complaints we have seen in many threads Wargaming need to come up with a batter way to release prem ships.. Super testers can test a ship over 20+ games and get an idea but we are still playing a small number of games so we can be proved wrong on release on how good a ship is. Im not sure what wargaming can do about this but maybe some sort of benefit if you buy the ship in the first 2months of release. if the ship is changed in any way in the first half year.. What do i mean.. Well lets say the Exeter gets released in 1st April in the morning.. if you buy her between 1 April and 1 Jun and she is buffed or nerfed in September players automatically get the option of a refund.. players on the other hand that buy a ship in the first 2 months have to accept that they risk the ship being changed.. Maybe as an incentive People get the some sort of unique camo/flag or some other benefit for buying in that first 2 months

Guys its the DEV Blog.. COME ON.. i cant be bothered to look, but when was the Azuma first talked about in Dev blog.. It was quite a while ago and we Super testers have her in port at the momnet for testing and there is no confirmation she will be released with out more testing.. They want to test GC at tier 6 as part of the balancing.. so just let it be tested

The issue here world be they pretty much would have to only match teams up that both have CV.... This for reasons that other people have stated.. If CV's brought to battle stays under 2% mark of ships brought to game at tier X. I cant see how CV's can be brought to Clan battles.

All Modules that were demounted and removed because of the CV remake were refunded to the full credit value.

Great idea (I mean it, I like it) Speck our commanders and then test them for a time properly to the new Meta.. BUUUUT.. 2 months is rather a long time.... And @everyone Else, Remember we get around 6 to 8 free Commander resets a year any way.. Start and end of Clan battles. OK this may stop When/If CV make it in to Clan battles...

Too Soon bud Too Soon OK Ive not bothered to read the hole thread yet.. There is a new weapon. wait a few days before forming an opinion.. Its always the same when a new weapons/tech trees are released.. There is a new hard counter for DD's released.. Everyone is trying it.. let the server calm down. It was the same when radar first came out... Maybe dont play DD's for a few days or even a week... Then play and Adapt. DD players have had to do this often with the many Changes/Nerf's we have had in the past. We always come back stronger. Many thought the DD was dead with the proliferation of radar. we are still here. Let the servers calm down a bit before we start scrapping our DD's and saying DD gameplay is dead. For the record. 5400 games in Random sailing DD's, Well over 95% of clan battles played I was in a DD (my Clan wont let me play anything else...) and 87 in game DD's played. so i am probably one of the most prolific DD players on the server

Yep..... The most useless AA weapon ever installed on a Royal navy ship..(or any navy for that matter) is one of the most powerful in game. (or at least was before patch dont know about after) go figure

I work at ESA.. We are world leaders in monitoring near earth space debris ... I can confirm we lost tracking of the dummy after it passed the moon on a trajectory to mars.... its expected to crash down somewhere close to beagle two...... In about 1 year

Got the RN CV's in my port when I get home to test.. Quite exited... My grandfather served on both Hermies and Furious as an Air Mechanic and Air Gunner

No Azuma was announced as a tier X test ship.. same as Cossack was originally announced as a tier VII ship. WG always say stats can change before release the tier of the ship is a stat so it can change

Or its nobody's fault.. They are testing a yet to be released ship at a different tier to see if that's more balanced. And this time (Cossack went up a tier) a lower tier will probably make her cheaper if she douse stay at IX.. Azuma has not yet been released so wargaming can change anything about her they like and send her back to use ST for testing There is no guarantee that this new round of testing will be final.

Except the Neustrashimy has has ALWAYS been tier IX. She was never placed at tier X

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Black is a good DD and its short duration Radar is nice... But sorry main issue with Black is she was difficult (WAS) to get and only good and committed players in Ranked got her. So i truly believe this has buffed her stats substantially OK i have never played her. But 43 knot torps at tier 9. Less gun range and slower. No speed boost if you have radar. when compared to the Fletcher Im sorry But the Fletcher is just better, the Chung Mu is better. DDs at tier 9 are very strong Fletcher/Chung Mu/Jutland and Kitakazi in my mind are just better DDs than the Black. Black will do well as a lot of skilled players have her. I dont see any posters that are owners of Black here.. I would be really interested to see what they think. My guess is many that do will bring one of teh other DDs i mention over the Black.. I have 23k+ steel and have all Steel ships apart from Flint/Bourgogne and Black. I just cant see myself buying the Black with so many better NON prem DDs

The thing is if the rewards were smaller.. lets say 200 steel every 3 wins.. im sure you will lose retention of players not bothering to get the wins.

And its worse in ranked.. as you can be demoted 3 or 4 stages and miss out on the steel. Its very rare for a clan to get demoted so much. I do not see how this stops people playing. About the only issue i have seen in Clan is you get the odd member (SCRUBS are pretty good for this not happaning) But players come out to the wood work when the Alpha team get in to typhoon expecting to play as they want to get all the steel in shortest amount of games. Its way way easier to stay in typhoon and get the 31 wins to get all the steel than progress from rank 10-1 in ranked.

My Grandmother did.. She was a WREN and a armorer at a Royal navy air station... she took a nap in the Fairey fulmar fighter.. could not get the pilots attention when he took of on a Combat air patrol...... Lucky for my gran that they did not meet any German aircraft.

Very True.. please find me a picture of a real Naval Captain from the game period.. 1880 to 1960.. For the most part WG try to be at least a little correct with there commanders.. This is why way back in the day when the first RN ship was released HMS Warspite. Many of use pointed out that our RN Captains with mustaches were wrong as they are not allowed in the Royal Navy wargaming edited the commander pictures so there was no top lip rugs on RN commanders. All this said pretty sure this is just a troll post