T0byJug

Dont think so!! Wargaming has an old client base!! I am in the Dingers Clans on tanks... (WJDE and T-D-U) we have lads in there 60s in our clan. I believe i read somewhere in tanks average age of player is early to mid 30s by nature of ships player base is probably older

I am 43 thats the problem i am having.... Lack of patients Lego star wars is about my limit now

LOL i dont have that problem yet!!i am a amateur navy historian and ship freak!! even trying to build a frame and Plank Brig. .. of the 10 ship lines in game i am grinding 9.. 2 at tier 6 4 at tier 7 3 at tier 8 ALL DD'S LOL also so used to playing Tier 7 and 8 DD's at start i was saving my Torps to avoid Long reload!!! LOL im not very clever

changed my post ! but Block ships were used in WW2 to stop Subs entering Areas and to protect from torps being launched in to these secure harbors as well. And in real life CA's did not try to engage Battleships with HE try and burn then to death. Also by WW2 DD Torp attacks on Battleships did no often happen apart from to deliver a coup de grâce... but as i said in another Thread the game would generate to a BB and CV game only if they mad ship power historically correct. Being able to use a wreck to defend yourself or it blocking a narrow channel between islands as a game metric that is at least worth wargaming exploring i think!

Probably not!! But then again in real life not many battles happened within 10km of shore. let alone a few hundred Meters. But the game would be pretty boring if all matches were played on the ocean map like 99% of real naval battles. Only Close inshore battles involving ships on both sides i can think of off top of head are battle of Navik 1 and 2 and guadalcanal not quite! they were going to breach her as a gun battery to defend Japaneses homeland

Fubuki is great! I've taken AFT and survivability expert on my 14 point commander. She makes a viable gun boat with good stealth and great torpedoes. Whats not to love

unlucky old chap! hopefully you will get another chance... I have not used mine yet. But its basically the same ship with a few miner differences. Main advantage is i can put my fubuki 14 point commander in! Also i have a nice boat for retraining commanders in! PS well done on match!!!!!! Edit!! This Thread inspired me to take her out 3 kills and 84k damage on first game!!! Long time since i played Minikaze! i had forgot how nice she and thus kamikaze is....

Quick some one log a support Call OPs account has been hacked this is not _x_Acheron_x_!! I am going to give the hacker a +1 any way for logging a positive post from this players account!!! Must be first time this has happened!

not realy!!! after all a half submerged wreck would protect from Torps! This already happans in game where is the shell path or torps takes it through a sinking ship they STOP if they hit it and don't carry on to ship behind. I've been saved a quite a few times by this. And as he says in World of tanks you can use a destroyed tank to cover some of your silhouette.

No you corrected YOUR interpretation of what i said , and your interpretation was wrong and it would seem different to how others interpreted what i said as ilhilh myself and maybe others have repetitively pointed out delaci76, on 19 February 2016 - 05:05 PM, said: p.s using the word "owned" is a dead giveaway. Makes u look 12 yrs old... using the word OWNED was not ilhilh Ow and buy the way the Term Owned comes from the early 90'S and is a hackor Or IT term! which quickly came a gamer term! So using a popular culture/gaming term form 20-25 years ago on a game forum! Little bit older than a 12 year old i would say! and well done for de railing the thread which was about some of the attributes of DD game play being unrealistic and over powered in the OP's Opinion

MMM no all light CA's are still in game! But know they dont have uber long range they may start firing in the DD that difficult to hit DD at 10km , instead of that easy BB that was until last patch in range at 17km! 6 games in my Murmask last night only 2 where i was top tier average 58K damage and a total of 18 aircraft kills in the 2 battles with CV's in! Light Cruesers have still got it

MMM HMS Gloworm against Admiral Hipper (ok Hipper not a battleship but you get the picture) Second battle of Navik HMS Warspit+DD's against German DDs Battle of Matapan Italian Cruisers engaged by HMS Barham and others RN BBs 3 Heavy Cruisers sunk for almost no lose to RN after Italian BB had disganged and gone home hours before. and lets not forget RN aircraft carrier HMS Glorious sunk by Scharnhorst and Gneisenau In most cases where a BB found CA or DD with no aircover the BB (to use you words) OWNED the smaller ships. There could have been more but the expense in money and Lives if BBs were lost tended to (in Europe at least) mean that they stayed in port unless they were relay needed. And as ilhilh said i was never talking about action they did but capabilities. It was Submarines and Aircraft that made RN keep there Large naval units in port in Europe Not german or Italian DD's and CA's

Yes I do have a comprehension issue. What point are you trying to make? Lets go back to my First comment T0byJug, on 18 February 2016 - 11:35 PM, said: its called game balance! If all classes were as you say realistic. This would be a game of battleships and carriers. No one would play any thing else The point I am making is if they made this game historical Carriers and battleships would own every thing! So players would not ever bother to play DD or CA. Hence this would be a game of Aircraft carriers and Battleships. At no point did i make any comment about how much ships were used in WW2! As if I was talking about how much ships were used in WW2 it would be a game of CA and DD as these ships sore much more action in WW2 than any other classes of ships in Atlantic .Mediterranean and Pacific

If you are Lucky April and or November Launched April 1 1939 Sunk November November 12 1944

If it was Simulation i think we would have a lower playerbase. Also if it was historical we would just have carriers and Battleships as no one would want to play the under powered DD/CA the only way WG could make it work would be to have a MM that would put a high % of games with just CA and DD with no carrier or BB to encourage players to play these smaller ships

Owww I think i played that game as well!! or one very similar! the game that gave us our Big ship fix!! the Nostalga... Love it.. will have to look if i still have the CD If you dont want CV in game have you had a look at NAVAL ACTION! there is no CV's there its all Rope and Tar! with some cannon balls for good measure

Ok i will go read 1 of the couple of Dozen Naval History Books I have on the shelf! You go read my posts and find one where I said Battleships were not used. What i am saying is if game was historical PLAYERS would only want to Play carriers and to a lesser degreee Battleships as these ships would be by a long way the most powerful.

Irrelevant! Simple fact is when DD went up against BB or CA it did not go well for the DD and when a CA went up against a BB it also was Generally not very good for the Cruiser. By WW2 Ships went in this order Carrier\battleship\Cruiser\Destroyer. Ships further down the list played purely Support Roles if the ships higher up were present. Who in a game wants to play a purely support Role? And I was being generous By adding Battleships! If game was historical the the game ques would probably be 80% CV

its called game balance! If all classes were as you say realistic. This would be a game of battleships and carriers. No one would play any thing else

Russion DD's at tier 7+ have a huge leap in detection range! and with a 7v7 match you will often find yourself alone against a BB or CA. From my experience in ranked Gun DD against CA or BB did not go to well as the said ship is not distracted by others. I find Russian DD are amazing against CA/BB in Random and Ranked as long as said BB/CA is distracted by other targets or the Russian DD is firing at range of lets say 12km+ the nature of ranked is these battles are often at under 10 km at this range CA and BB can hit you reliably. It is almost imposable for a Tier 7+ Russian DD to stealth fire unless you have the Concealment Expertt skill! Remember Russion DD's get +6km on fireing guns not +4 like other DD's. from tier 5+. Also Russian DD's are great at finding a lower tier BB or CA and Murdering them with AP shells But in ranked you will be against same or Higher tier ships most of the time, so Keiv +camo has surface detection detection of 8.7 So to stealth fire target must be 14.7km away max Gun range with AFT skill is 14.7KM Tier 8 you can reduce detection to 8.2 with out commander skill. But max gun range is only 14km If you have commander skill you do get a small window on Tier 7 and 8 where you can stealth fire but to get this you need a commander with 15 skill points this is 642 900 commender XP assuming you bought a 3 skill commander So in conclusion in my opinion at least the tier 7 DD and probably the tier 8 Russian DD though nice ships in random have no place in ranked or at least are the worst of the 4 possible DD nations to bring.

Have all the skills of your commanders been reset as part of this change? or are they all still allocated?

Its a little annoying that you cant get full HP on Fubuki unless you take C hull! and US DD's get full HP with the choice of AA hull or gun hull. I don't think we need or want complete mirroring. But no 1 team should not have 3 Gunboats and the other Torp boats or indeed 1 team with 2 Tier 8 BB and the other with 2 Tier 7. But I don't want it that teams each have exactly same number of BB/CA/DD in match. Small disparity of +/-1 of each class is not an issue

Did not have Benson and then did not have her fully upgraded (well at least B hull and top Torps) and I would never bring a ship to ranked unless she had what was in my opinion the best configuration for the match. I would love Wargaimg to say for ranked games all modules must be unlocked before you can bring a ship to the match. So hence for a while my Blys and Tirpitz were the only ships i had for ranked. Personally I believe a tier 7DD is ok in ranked but BB or CA I would only bring a Tier 8 as a Team with tier 7 BB's or CA's against tier 8 ones is at a large disadvantage. and thanks for the complement...... Cant recuperate as you hide your stats (teasing)

for my 2 pennies this is correct! there are 3 roles for DD's in order of importance 1, Capping 2, DD interdictions 3, attacking other ship classes there are 4 nations of DD Poland (Good at 1,2,3) Russian (Good at 2) Japanese (Good at 1 and 3) American (Good at 1,2,3) Russian detection ranges and Lack of Torps mean they are not very good at Capping or attacking other bigger ships (note i have only just got tier 8 DD so have not played her) Japanese DD are great at capping and attacking Big ships but meet a DD of any other nation and she is at a disadvantage. The lack of big targets and hight % of DDs in an 7v7 douse not benefit a Torp heavy attack mode American can deal with most things she meets. Polish DD!! well i love my Blys and as any one that looks at my stats in ranked will see i performed way better in her than i did in my Benson or indeed any ship i brought to the battle

MMMM No thats not what MrConway has said! he has noted the comments in the thread from the community and Put them together and sent them to developers! he has not said it is over powered or under powered infact he has said nothing