1MajorKoenig

Was heißt Verteufeln? Ich sage nicht „unspielbar“ aber ok sage „[edited] umgesetzt und macht keine. Spaß“! Die Teile lassen sich schön mit ihren Wattebäuschchen durchschleifen vom Team und kriegen am Ende für‘s Schmarotzen auch noch Punkte. Absoluter Shice

Err.. Nope. She is called squishy because she is covered in 25mm plating all around. Only belt (mostly under water) and casemats are really protected. Hence why she eats normal pen damage everywhere and is equal overmatched everywhere. Nice bonus: her tapered forward belt is completely under water (overload?) Nothing to do with this “if you are broadside you get punished” - noob blabla

I am using my König Captain with - PM - AR & EM - AFT & BoS - BFT & Manual AA which works quite well. A full secondary built isn’t worth it in my opinion as you don’t need IFHE or manual Secondaries at T6. Also I don’t use the secondary gun module but the main gun one as her base dispersion isn’t good. Manual AA is (still) very nice but might become rubbish in some weeks time with the CV rework (also these skills change). As for the missing punch I agree. She disappointed me much unfortunately

Jup. Rein aus Spielsicht macht Normandie Spaß. Dieses Fantasy-Refit ist aber wieder grausig und gewohnt reiner Quatsch von der Logik her. Ist bei den T4-6 DE BBs aber ja nicht anders

Yes of course she is a flanker. And I get what you say but she is in a BB slot, not a cruiser slot. An example of an excellent flanking Battleship is Gascogne. Fast, punchy and sufficiently tough. PEF has these “death-by-thousand-cuts” guns. That is my problem. She is simply missing a tiny bit of punch - about 2-3 seconds of reload which need to be shaved off.

...and you play PEF of course EXACTLY like a DD. That is why she is so damn useful. How could I be so blind to not see this.

Just because one can make her work doesn’t mean she is a good ship. You can post some good games all day long without proving any single bit. She is dead simply to play - maybe that is the reason even bad players get decent results. But there is a good reason why a lot of people don’t like her and why LWM have her a “MEH” rating. Due to her lacking main artillery she is too much of a supporter and is missing the punch to carry battles. This I hate in a BB. She would need some love from WG to make her more enjoyable

I guess everyone expects her to be able to scout with her planes as she was supposed to do that. And in game that “could” be done with a fighter squadron...

...and we have theory no.3: - same scale for ellipse as for ships -> meaning the dispersion here actually happens in 166/31x28.x m = 153m - max vertical dispersion at 15km is calculated as 213 m (main gun module in use?) - potentially we just haven’t seen any hits outside 153m in this sample but hits between 153m and 213m might still happen. Sigma would be driving the distribution of shells towards the center anyway While I have seen the WIkI page I somewhat doubt the concept of standard dispersion. It would be fundamentally wrong to speak about MAX dispersion in that case

I guess if WG picks up my proposal to give her one or two small fighter squadrons which are directed via minimap while driving around normally ... some CV mains may get very mad at me

Thanks for the link. However - it seem like written by players as it says “confirmed by experiments by players”. Sounds like one - maybe sound but still only one - of the options? I mean is there any confirmation from WG? I remember a very good thread on dispersion by Sub_Octavian on the NA forum a while ago. I have to find that one

Gotcha. It COULD still be the other way round though - that the same scale as for ships is applied That would give for your picture at 15km: x = 166/31 x 28.65m = 153.x m Could that be? EDIT: that would be max dispersion of the ellipse though. Doesn’t mean any of the 180 shells need to land right there in the corners of course but they could.

Hmm didn’t they say in one of the “How it works” videos that all shots land inside the ellipse? Are you sure the multiplier (x2) is even applied in the target ellipse size? I mean just because ships are twice the size it doesn’t mean that everything is twice the size. Same for time btw. there are also different time compression factors as well if I remember correctly (something like for shots/shells and another one for ship movement)

Ja die WW1 Granaten haben ziemlich ähnliche Ballistikkurven. Aber den Wert dazu haben die sich doch garantiert ausgedacht oder?

Woher WG den Luftwiderstand nimmt habe ich bisher noch nicht verstanden. Bei der Yorck haben sie ihn halbiert und seit dem ist die AP klasse. Ich bin äußerst skeptisch, ob ran sich hier um reale Werte handelt. Ansonsten wäre das auch auch eine Möglichkeit, sie etwas komfortabler zu machen.

Richtig. Individuell schlechte Granaten sind kein Problem sofern sie über die RoF gebalanced sind. @klaubieh öööhhhh... gute Frage :-)

- der Umbau ist verhältnismäßig dezent aber Bug und Schornsteinkappen sehen leider trotzdem komplett gehauen aus. Der gepanzerte Gürtel geht tatsächlich bis zum Bug aber ist bei WG‘s Modell unter Wasser (etwas überladen der Kahn?). Schau mal im Armor-Viewer - Secondaries Buff würde ich auch nehmen. Pen Buff durch neue WW2 Granaten geht auch. Oder halt ganz banal etwas besserer Reload

Eine sinnvolle Skillung ist (= mein König Kapitän): - PM - AR + EM - BFT + BoS - AFT + Manual AA Nein ist es nicht. Es geht um Carry Potential. Gerade in Ranked sollten die BBs liefern und das Gefecht entscheidend beeinflussen. Die dämlichen PEFs Supporten immer brav nutzlos von hinten weil ihnen eben der Punch fehlt. Sie kommen auch auf ihren Schaden über die Dauer des Gefechts aber sie sind nicht die Entscheider. In Random ist es egal. Da fallen ein paar weitere nutzlose Supporter / Schmarotzer kaum auf

“Es war Paganini!”

...wow! Sind wir echt bei Seite 56?!

Finde sie zwar nicht uninteressant aber sie sieht mir nach einer ver-grozovoiten Ognevoi aus. Weiss nicht. Von der Ognevoi habe ich eigentlich genug wenn ich mit dem Grind durch bin

a) it is in a BB slot MM-wise and should be able to fill that role. If not - make it a cruiser (ha-ha-ha) b) for KM lovers? This is an Imperial Battlecruiser. WG as already half f** her by giving her another idiotic fantasy refit. Only saving grace is that they “only” changed bow, funnels, director and light armament (eg adding heavy AA). Not sure if that is for “KM lovers” - certainly not for lovers of these great ships c) the stats I don’t trust yet. And even if the numbers would stay as is, the ship is a supporter at the moment. Yes you can pile up the damage of the course of a game. But you aren’t particularly useful in the BB role. That’s the last thing we need really - another one selfishly farming tiny bits of damage and being useless for the rest of the team.

Ich könnte für WG mal ein Foto von den 10.5cm Doppelflak-Türmen der Mackensen machen... (Klaubier, ich brauche dringend was von deinem Rotwein, sonst rege ich mich wieder von neuem über diese unfassbare Unverschämtheit PEF auf!)

PEF is a steaming pile of garbage - a real turd. I am hugely disappointed and I am apparently not the only one. The first of the long (since 3 years) awaited Imperial German Battlecruisers and you make it a fantasy turd featuring good AA...! Main guns suck, Rest is mediocre. I mean wtf?! Do you really think this thing is fun to play? And WG commented this disaster how...? Yep - not at all. So, will it be fixed?

Er: “Erster!”