1MajorKoenig

A couple of thoughts here: 1) Sub_Octavian is WG‘s person for foreign affairs. Of course he needs to downplay any issues 2) WG will never and can never admit that Russian Bias exists. If they would they couldn’t release any further Russian ships at all / OP or not. So it’s not gonna happen you may as well stop asking (although if you compare the real Russian Navy capabilities to the ones in game you may find the truth for yourself - even if it won’t take you anywhere) 3) I find it amusing how Sub_Octavian tries to twist the story about nationalism around. It is apparently not WG spreading Soviet national pride, it’s the rest of the world picking on Russia.... well if he would be serious his company better shouldn’t be releasing videos like the one for the Russian BB line introduction! Yes, that’s the one with the famous line: “They would have been among the strongest, had they been built!” (and no I am not even picking on the fact the Russians couldn’t even produce armor thicknesses which would be considered weak even by WW1 Standards and that their most significant battle apart from Tsushima was against English Fishing boats)

Manners are certainly not a matter of personal opinion. But it’s fine you can stop trying - you have demonstrated that you don’t know what they are or what they are for. Not all complaints are the same though. What I said is things that are criticized now pretty loud are a lot of times left-overs or generally tied to the class being special in many ways. And I disagree that the rework didn’t solve any issues. I would say it solved quite a few. And my memories must be failing hard as I indeed don’t remember someone spamming 500 pages of criticizing these issues in the RTS days. Can you point me to the relevant thread? In fact if memory isn’t totally off you were much rather defending the RTS CVs back in the days quite vocally. I only remember Fara trying to convince WG to fix some issues. A single floatplane shooting down real combat aircraft? How many? 6? 10? Hell yes that is silly. In a Hollywood Movie maybe. But you picked a pretty bad example anyway as the catapult fighter mechanics - while certainly not perfect - aren’t even close in terms of silliness to being forced to drop everything to fly home. = lazy + doesn’t leave a “high quality” impression

And you are a 100% wrong about that. But I am not going to help you here - more of a General observation. I am not but I indeed suspect it to be an underlying motivation when it comes to large parts of the arguments. Especially since some of the biggest complaints are not much different to the RTS world or not even new. And I don’t remember Boernster or yourself heavily complaining about CVs before the rework. Launching multiple planes is a exaggeration - sure. But I guess a single fighter would be either weak or piloted by Chuck Norris - so WG chose the less silly looking option and launched multiple. Now you need to explain to me why bombing water is a reasonable representation of anything really and the “least silly” concession.

Hiryu and Zuiho....

So you don’t. Cause manners have nothing to do with who is in front of you. How is that a lie? Boernster - and a few others I don’t remember - openly claim that. As for you - I indeed think you would like it back too but honestly that is your very own business and I couldn’t care less. Interesting - and I am not sarcastic this time. - btw in your further statement you are mixing up “gameplay concessions” with “silliness”. I am sure you know the difference if you are an expert in this area. And yes, for me it would be less silly to take off with less than a full strike (depending on what I plan to do with it) rather than bombing water. Not entirely wrong ———————- A totally different question: do we know how this spotting thing is going?

Because it feels beyond stupid to be forced to bomb open water You find that perfectly natural...?

Proving my point. Do you even know what manners are? This accusation certainly needs some backing up. I am curious now. That’s the job of the game designer - not mine. Pre-dropping is silly. The fact you don’t see that makes me glad you don’t design games either. Now I am impressed.... (not) Except - well - it’s silly

Hehe nee mein Gedankengang war andersrum. Ich wollte den Mast von der Zeichnung auf eine Bayern kopieren und schauen an welchen Ort uns das bringt

Your manners aren’t great as usual. But that shouldn’t stop an (semi) interesting discussion. It all depends how you implement any kind of function to achieve the same thing as this silly predrop. Eg simply start less planes as an option, only use that button in the CV’s vicinity, etc. I guess there would be more options once they think about it. This pre-drop is silly though - that I can tell The fact that you can’t think of multiple ways/solutions is quite telling though. I am sure there is a better solution to this

Why?

Däng! Mince alors wie der Quash sagen würde

@Walther_K_Nehring und natürlich alle anderen auch: - Wisst ihr, ob es für Springsharp eine Bibliothek für historische Schiffe gibt? Ich wollte mal ein paar Zahlen überschlagen? - hat einer von euch die modernisierten Schlesien oder Schleswig-Holsteins als Shipbucket? Kann die irgendwie nicht finden?

Since 0.8.7 it’s much better indeed. Rocket fighters suck but 4 x torp runs are brutal.

You are right Captain. Maybe we fell back into some more general topics.

Stable? As I wrote earlier - a lot of people quit that class after 0.8.5 and 0.8.7 was another big change and now WG is blabbering about axing the spotting. You have a strange view on “stability”. That again...really? So let’s see: averages are down, weak players perform worse good players perform worse - only some few top players (that is even what you claim yourself that this number is extremely small these days) perform like before. Your conclusion is again more than questionable and to me it looks like your are simply twisting this to fit your narrative. If everyone but very few extremely dedicated ppl perform worse the class is worse than before. IF anything it only tells you that using the class to it’s highest possible potential is more difficult than before. But that is a rather useless piece of information. I am not closing my eyes. And I am happy that I am not blind from anger I lost something. No that is exactly the problem: that is not sufficient. I can show you Chinese stream showing a Kolberg (or so) eating a Konig Albert alive. Does that prove Kolberg is OP and clearly better than KA?

I know you are just quoting someone else’s opinion but writing this you should see the problem with this questionable interpretation. A 100+ Damage game is a good game damage-wise at T6. Considering your Ark Royal average damage is 41k I would question your statements here. My best Arizona game for example was 177k damage. Nope your best one is 123k Yes it is my opinion indeed. I didn’t have an issue with playing against RTS carriers but did not like the concept playing myself. They did. But that wasn’t their main problem. Issues can be fixed. Lack of attractiveness not so much

Mind you cruisers have also other tasks apart from pure damage dealing. I give you that. But BBs - hell yea. Of course you can break 100k. Even much more. Why not?

Which is one point of the rework and quite obviously a big step forward. People clearly forgot the strike power of RTS CVs. Also spotting multiple spots... yea clearly the same. But even if - problem about old CVs wasn’t that they were OP on an average level anyway so the discussion is moot to begin with. But the narrative of “more annoying” is a myth. Which is nonsense. The rework works in a way that you can strike at varying costs anywhere - mostly. In return the strike output itself is low on an individual strike. Low as in a torp run dealing damage comparable to a normal AP pen. A CV player doesn’t get “shut down” by AA - there is always something for him to do. I asked your friend (more than once I believe) for global numbers on FLAK effectiveness but he doesn’t have any either. So yea... again a lot of personal opinions here

As I said - buffing T4 CVs was a mistake. They were useless before that and that was ok as AA is equally useless at that tier. So it was a useless-useless-harmony. They should revert back to single torps.

After 0.8.5 the numbers dropped badly. Not because the changes alone but there were just too many of them I guess so people lost their patience at some point. The poorly concealed GZ Premium ship nerf wasn’t well received either. Even after that mess has been mostly cleaned up in 0.8.7 the player numbers didn’t really recover much apparently (apart from seal clubber T4s which was another mistake). I think WG burnt a lot of perception and credits with the nerf hammer methodology. I hope the population stabilized now a bit at a healthy level

Sorry haven’t seen a prove for that. Especially not since CVs numbers are extremely volatile due to all these massive changes. What a comparison. If you don’t realize the different any further discussion will be hard. Chess wouldn’t be very successful as online MMO as it indeed would struggle with the addition of content relatively quickly

Red Alert was a good game. The RTS CVs not. Indeed. A fact that can’t be overestimated in a video game. More pronounced? Well that’s what he keeps claiming at least. From a surface ship’s perspective this doesn’t seem to hold true. Nowadays I don’t care who is the enemy CV. Not even if it is an OP Easy E. They can be annoying but that’s about it. This claim is highly questionable to say the least. Plus from a CV’s perspective you don’t have games being shut down by the enemy seal clubber CV either. So yea... claims...

You have a point about the pre-dropping. If that mechanic is here to stay - which it looks like very much - WG should add a button to shorten the squadrons or give the option to launch less planes to begin with rather than this stupid pre-drop.

Err... no. You should probably fix your translator. And even if it doesn’t matter really I can tell you I tried to like them more than once. Because in general I like CVs and want them to be part of game. But gosh that ugly interface, these controls, these absurd mechanics having nothing to do with a WW2 CV - wasn’t for me really. Were they particularly hard to play? I doubt it but I leave that to the RTS-mains to decide. What I can tell you though is that they were particularly unattractive.

Dude - RTS carriers were boring and detached. Nobody wants them back (apart from a small and very vocal group here which managed to fill 500 pages repeating the same lame stuff). But: I remember the dude about the FARCE - that was hilariously funny. He used it in every post But see the thing is: old RTS carriers were complete garbage. WG tried a different direction and fixed a lot of the issues with CVs though not all of them. Since then this little group tries to make the game as toxic as possible to get their garbage RTS back. Generally I doubt WG is investing more money into this topic. If they learned something then it would be they won’t be able to please everyone.