1MajorKoenig

Au contraire. There are very very few actual ships on these tiers. Most are fantasy to varying degrees.

No, the problem are not really CVs but the way how WG set the tiering system initially. They should have stayed more faithful to the timeline progression and have some dedicated WW1 tiers. CVs should have started only at T6 really. At the minute T3 is the only WW1 tier. And that isn’t action - it’s newbie country. Not really fun for extended stays. What we are entirely missing is “real” WW1 tiers to play regularly! And no - PEF and all the other refits are not WW1 ships. They are purely fantasy and nothing but steaming garbage. No WW1 whatsoever.

Missing out any meaningful WW1 action is indeed one of the biggest design mistakes of this game. The power progression / tiering system was wrong to begin with and WG refused to fix it back in the days when it was still relatively easy (like around 2015). Now - cleaning up that mess would still be possible but requires more work really. Also: much rather than making WW1 the beginner tier there should be a couple of training tiers for newbies - like 3x or so. Afterwards we could use a block of about three tiers dedicated to WW1. The point is, WW1 should be meaningful gameplay - such as eg mid tiers - rather than breath-through-beginner-Tier.

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ja funktioniert – aber ist reichlich überbewertet. Machen die meisten nur wenn sie sich einer AA–Burg nähern wollen. In der Regel sucht man sich ja einfachere Ziele

Ca. 7km vor dem eigentlichen Ziel Bomben ins Wasser werfen um die Immunity zu nutzen um ans eigentliche Ziel zu kommen.

Die some strange reason I was really hyped for Sillywangi but her guns don’t seem potent enough to make up for 1.8km detection on DWTs. So yea - I probably hold my fire as well.

While I would disagree with the rest of your statement (especially since the whole game is dead easy and overly simplistic and therefore well suited for gaming vegetables) I always wanted CVs to commence at T6. However without silly gaps in the tree. Meaning: first CV at T6, second at T7, than T8, T9, T10. T4 and T5 should be dreadnought themed. And therefore WG should remove all these silly what-if modernizations. They suck.

At least in the CV’s case it would be the best solution. The other classes are probably simplistic enough to go without tutorial.

@linkum so ein Frühstück hätte mich heute morgen gerettet

Der Panther 2 hatte keinen Turm. Das Ding, das die Engländer für Beschusstests benutzt haben, ist ein Ausf. F Schmatutm. Der hat aber nix mit dem Panther 2 zu tun sondern wäre 1945 die nächste Serienvariante geworden. Vor allem deutlich billiger, einfacher zu produzieren und mit Entfernungsmesser unter Schutz. Aber da war das Panther 2 Projekt schon fast zwei Jahre vergessen. In einen solchen Turm will Daimler-Benz am 12.12.1944 sogar eine 88mm L/71 eingebaut haben, bzw. in ein Holzmodell. Die Rede ist von einem 10cm größeren Turmkranz. Fotos gibt es davon aber soweit ich weiß keine. Und hat ebenfalls nix mit dem Panther 2 zu tun. Öhhh etwas OT evtl Da haben wir ja einen Schuldigen gefunden. Wobei mich noch mehr interessieren würde, was aus der ursprünglichen Siegfried geworden ist? Ich dachte WG war happy mit den Leistungen?

Der tourt gerade 4 Wochen auf Winterfrische / Säuglingsfrische durch Asien aber wollte dennoch mal wieder seinen Senf dazugeben Und dann gestärkt heim für ein paar markige Ansprachen Eines der besten Aussprüche aller Zeiten

Mag ja sein aber eine O-Classe ohne die 38cm Zwillinge finde ich uninteressant. Ich warte mal auf Siegfried

Thank you - have a good one as well sir

How dare you?! Are you suggesting teamwork to outplay the opposition? Blasphemy (Btw. DD + CV is a hugely fun team-up as well)

Hey hey :-) Well the Story about PEF is probably a little more complex. See - a part of the community, especially the fans of the Imperial Battlecruisers such as the Iron Dog herself are longing for that tree since 2015 and the expectations are accordingly quite high. Now WG used the first of these ships not only in a “what-if” modernized appearance (downer no. 1) but also introduced her with historically accurate 23s reload time! People got excited and then a long journey of nerfing happened (downer no. 2). Everybody was in favour of nerfing the honestly quite stupid low detection. Fine. But when WG bumped up the reload to 26 and later 28 secs people started to get pretty disappointed. Some kept arguing about long range AA being her defining strength but we know how much long range AA is worth today compared to pre rework (pretty much turned upside down - nowadays close and mid range is much more useful / downer no.3). She ended up pretty mediocre - and apparently as a means to sell coal for cash instead of kicking of one of the last hugely anticipated lines left (downer no.3). Not unplayable but rather un-fun. She is extremely effective blapping low tier cruisers but close to useless against any serious opposition. She acts as an opportunistic damage nibbler (that pen is worse than Konigs and Kongos) against hard targets - but blocks as BB slot in MM while doing so. In her passive playstyle she will end up ok in numbers but at the cost of her team mates. Needless to say that her secondary guns - eventhough highly advertised - are just fireworks as the relevant skill only kicks in at T7. So conclusion? I may have overreacted in my thread in my disappointment with the design of an opportunistic parasite BB and her ruined appearance (Atlantic bow and funnel caps - bah...) but the point about the design stands. Especially since other ships expertly demonstrated how a fun battlecruiser design could look like. My favourite of all in this department: Gascogne! Disclaimer: haven’t used PEF since the accuracy buff (as I am more or less taking a break from the game) but accuracy wasn’t her problem to begin with. It was about missing tools in her box to pull off some daring flanking moves and make these count - which require a minimum of punch to be meaningful. And I am not talking about dev striking Nurnburgs. For reference - here is the old thread - which I admit contains a bit of disappointment and is not objective in all parts

- non constructive - if it tries to be funny .. well it’s not Next thread should be: “BBs are useless as they sometimes miss the citadels. Please remove completely.”

Looks good. However - isn’t J3 essentially just a 3x3 Admiral? With regards to names I have some spiffing proposals as well: “Terror” & “Magnificent”

Hey hey... one of my favourite topics since 2015 :-) However: 1. G3 is too strong for T7. It’s outright stronger and much faster than Nelsol. G3 would be T8 or T9 depending on softstats and “modernization” 2. I would suggest J3 at T7 and G3 at T8. T9 and T10 don’t really exist so one COULD make up a L2/3 K2/3 Frankenstein ship a là Monqueror but that is questionable at best. 3. Incomparable would be an awesome T9/10 Freemium. No armour, terrible reload and 6 guns. But huge ones 4. SMS Moltke and Seydlitz are roughly comparable and would be same tier. They would work on T4 and 5 equally however it is mostly community consensus that the Iron Dog SMS Derfflinger is the ideal T5, making the others likely T4. 5. Mackensen is already in the game as T6 Premium. She isn’t a T7 ship really unless WG gives her historical accurate guns with 20 seconds reload. Until then she is better off at T6 6. ...leaving Ersatz Yorck for T7 which fits well. 7. O-Class has no business to be in that tree as the Imperial Battlecruisers are in fact fast Battleships whereas O-Class is a monster cruiser / very large Panzerschiff (and should be classified as cruiser in game) 8. L20ea is a large Battleship and has no business in such tree either. She would do well as a T7 Battleship or as a Mutsu-equivalent at T6 in her WW1 outfit (essentially a very large Stock Bayern with 42cm guns) 9. If you really HAVE to extend the German BC line beyond T7 it would be Frankenstein’d GK proposals (GK45xx, GK10, etc) but again the value is questionable at best 10. Constitution at T7...? An extremely fast Colorado at the same tier seems unfair. Either she needs to be very bad on soft stats or she needs to be bumped up to T8

Wow just wow

Asashio z.B. / besonders

SMS Derfflinger ?

While it currently looks like that I hope it isn’t true as it would ruin the game. At its core it is still a ship game which can afford some Frankenstein BS but needs enough substance to carry the nonsensical stuff. So even commercially WG should have a vested interest in keeping the game’s buoyancy high enough (see what I did here) to carry their short term money milking stuff. Something like Battlecruiser lines for example

Hmm unfortunately none of these spark my interest. 510mm guns and 2.1 sigma...? An IJN destroyer with German 150s? An O-Class with 30.5s?... Is WG running out of ideas? I mean there are plenty of REALLY interesting ships waiting to be implemented? Just let us know in case you need inspiration :-)

Agree - the Torp protection upgrade is a terrible idea.