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Providing AA cover is no fun either since you get spoted and that means your have a high chance to eat random long range citadels early on for a few shreded planes. Mino works kinda ifd you willing to waste a smoke for it thogh.

No CV is fun atm killing ships while the UI is unresponsiv and at times make you wat to throw your comp out of the window. The lack of real balance is no fun either. The inabilikty to strike ships that keep together is no fun either The ability of the enemy to wreak a strike 5 min in the making is no fun either. The AA auras of some single ships beinen near imun to all but the most masiv stikes is no Fun either. Great year for CVs ...no Prem more CVs bewore teh rework is done...you think anybody cares for the once in a blue moon T10 CV? WG wont fix anything becaue they have proven again and again that all their PR is just distracting talk to shrout the fact that they dont have the slightest idia themself what to do with CVs and they cant remove ships that are allready in peoples habors either

Germ torp reload is also a plus thogh the big minus is their detectability forcing you to use smoke before you even spoting the enemy, Utility wise Lo Yang might be good but for now at least you do have the con to have invested quite a bit in playeing here or sinking a huge amount of free cap exp into her so she might not be at 100% in all the ranked matches you see due to not having acess to a easy 19 point captain...... Overall i think 100mm HSF arekaze would do well. While not that great on utility she can outfight most DDs due to her agility and rof and can force the enemy to use their utility when tehy dont want to due to its stealth.

Do you considered him killing you in 2 atackwaves unfair? You felt helpless? Were you at full speed turning when you got hit? Were you at full HP when he hit? What overall impact did he had others than sinking a same Tir BB? Thts questions that are interesting to know in seeing what impact the changes have overall.

DDs suffer from CVs especally since a lots of tool were included to deal with the lack of CVs overall wich on top of a CV make DDs near useless but we are geting offtopic here....only def fire DDs can really defend agist CVs and the concept itself is as flawed as sonar BBs,...

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Well Enterprise does simular things to Gern BBs and some lower tir IJN only but it has TBs to fall back on wich GZ dosnt.. Test 1 an autodrop has a simular patern as Enterprise so you score a lots agist non changing corse BBs, The manueal patern is still a bit tricks and more pinpoint but small enogh to make Test 2 allmost redudant agist the wider BBs. Still 111k in a game when if masiv agist a copple of BBs ? I agree with you there shokaku/Enterprise brings more utility overall but again all that depends if teh fighters of Graf stay as they are. At the moment its nether a Strike now a AS CV in any form. Being on the receiving end of a HE atack as DD isnt about as much Fun as being of the receiving end of a AP atack as a BB but basic tactis aply....a BB that is close to a CA is still a near non targets while a DD cant avoid leaving the AA protection if its doing its job.

Your standing still or moving slowly and this AP bombs will wreck you in a BB of any nation. IS it worth being unable to hurt DDs at all? Welll they are test setups. If you want to get datas on how thes bombs work with thease patern you dont want to mix them up. The live version with HE boms allready can wreck DDs with the drawback of being unable to win AS and unable to defend their DB later in the game. And you cant reduce alpha of DB if you have to face short range AA auras and lose quite a number of planes allready each atack with no skill on the defending side required....... Anyway the setups of the test ships are for testing how the AP work for the 2 patern included i wouldnt read too much into them as a final loadout

Well at least your geting hits with the droppatern atm and your can hurt ships others than german BBs. With Test 1 (T7 fighter) you can hold your own somewhat to a shokaku. Spoting is overall still quite hard since even DDs can knock down your fighters and they are much needed to protect your DB. Is it great and can compeate ? Well closer now than before now that you actually can do some damage. Anyway its Work in progress the fokus for how is how the droppatern work and what you get out of it. I wouldnt be too suprised if they did a fighter change test later on. Making Dogfight expet work on Test 1 dont fix their squishines vs AA even if tehy stray into long range auras for now but that can change at any time......

yea but its ruder shift and base speed means your get wrecked. a spoted DD gets instant fire from all direction and a Aki is terible at disengaging/dodging,. While its HP pool gives it some leerway the fact that if you want to rack up damage you need to keep them hot and that means your will be keept spoted and receive damage in return. HSF Harekaze is the better 100mm platform from being more nibble and faster for that reason alone. And 1:1 dont matter becasue if you discount Black and Z52 any DD can disengage a DD vs DD fight by pressing a key....

Beta heist nicht das wer nach der Beta weitergespielt hat und es gab in der beta nen patch wo Manueller abwurf generft worden ist dafür der autodrop torp activation sebst DDs kaum ausweichen lassen hat. (plus das war die zeit der Ufo flieger d,h du konest ne 180 grad kursaenderung machen und sofort abwerfen.) Gab damals inforum posts wo die CVs aufgezeigt haben wie man mit 30-50 clicks 150k plus dam gemacht hat

Well he is at part of the line were the downside of having pen eating armor layout and lower health pool compared to other BBs isnt totally contered by the superheal. Im still at QE so i can only coment from youtube vids and being on the receiving end of them and even here they usally dont end up at the bad end of the scpreboard unless they go yolo.

Germ that dont yolo dont need sonar UK BBs that have cruiser like stealth insane HE dont need a superheal AND a underwater citadel US BBs with stealth build allready worked well with shoot and fade they didnt need a lowered citadel that alows to get away with being stupid on top when they allready have laser acurate guns. I wonder when tehy reshape yamatos front citadell and put it underwater too to boot.... Why does one class only gets dumped down so much that any but the most braiundead that cant aim can facewoll with it? The RN is just the top of being stupid of being a constant string of direct or indirect buffs to a class that survie too long agist even their direct conter. And now they throw in bandaids in form of pan asia anti cruise ...eh i mean anti BB Torpedos insulting the comunity by fixing a problem by ading another......

The problem with conceilment like vs CAs with deepwater Torps is you are too good agist unintended Targets. There is allready a DD line that can kill BBs quite good despite their Torp damage being crappy really and that are German DDs that thanks to their reload actually can get föooding on bow on targets stick. Of course they pay with rather bad conceilment..... Well 1st leaks were rather strange i dont know were that is going to end platforms with the T10 geting yugumo level of stealth and Gering guns....,,,, we really need BB hunter with better than Torp boat stealth insane short range gun DPS and a specalized weapon ? That sounds like what they did to the RN lines with their radar on top of all what is now on them. I wonder if it is so hard to lower Torp aquisition for one class only......since there is a skill that ups it. BBs that actually play with their team would have warning. CA wouldnt get screwed over with even less reaction time and the weapon would work on anbody not forcing pan asia to throw their anti smoke torps out of the window for a very limited usable anti BB weapon. Of corse that would mean we have a DD line without a gimik and WG cant have that.....

The point is they do not really hit better and you dont create more chances to hit BBs more often vs non pushing BBs. The problem with DD vs BB is most of the time your shoting at the bow or the rear since going for flank shots requires you to avoid going for caps and then geting srewed by some random course chage anyhow.....your trading more damage for allready good stealthy Torps vs the inability to hit DDs.

The base Torp is an US torp. Any US player on high Tir DDs have trobble making their Torps hit if it actually gets to a flank of a BB? The problem is you still cant hurt a BB that is on a away course. This Torps are just anti CA torps nothing more nothing less. And we really need more things that kills off crusiers that actally allready risking geting one shoted from BBs for doing their Job and going after DDs do we? You want anti BB Torps? Easy give BBs only a Torp aquisition penalty and make Floatfighters do NOT spot Torps. Spoter planes in Turn SOULD spot Torps so you making a choise between air defence or better target aquisition ................you CAN use precision changes instead of messing with anybody and causing nerfs to unintended target that do not need nerfs....

The problem is the time to drop with fragile planes even IF your able to actually get a hit. there were no need to make skilled AP drops when they allready had a working modle in form of Enterprise. There is no good point exect braindead HE config that autokills a DD as much as any 3 Torp Squad would have before. Add to that Fighters that have trobble outfighting a Floatfighter......

IFHE hurts anyone and frankly speaking there is exactly 1 ship that absolutly requires it and that is Aki anyone else can live without it......plus they hardly can do the US split line with IFHE . Care to face a Brooklyn with it? Point is IFHE nerf now when they just have created high HE pen BBs with no drawback smells a bit fishy especaly when it comes in tandem with smoke nerfs. Yea smoke nerfs hit BBs more but for a BB to utilise smoke it has to be near a DD and that means not near the mapboarder. Any nerfs to RN CL and DDs even if slightly is totally unneeded. And "if you get within 6 km to a Rn Cl your a screwed in a DD" is no argument because if i dont open fire he will still get one shoted and im not spoted........ WG needs to adress other things 1st. Like reserving brainddead citadel placements that can allmost never be hit at close to mid range. BBs dont NEED surviability. The point that they survive doing stupid things that would kill any other class instantly IS one of the big problems.

Gegen AP kann man anwinkeln gegen HE die Pened nicht,,,,,Kann AP in den richtigen situationen mehr ausrichten? sicher. aber warum benutzen wen man einfach faceroll machen kann und trotzden gut dabei weg kommt?

Der punkt ist nicht das abfackeln der punkt ist die HE pens BEIM abfacklen? warum wird gleich IFHE generft wen die so monster rausbringen? deutsche BBs haben die 1/4 regel schohn lange aber die ist mit geringeren HE schaden und hohe dispersion ausgeglichen......hier gibts 0 nachteile....von den unsin BBs gringer als kreutzer detection zu geben noch nicht mal gesprochen......

Was sollen sie sonst machen? gut die armor ist nicht der hit aber wen man nicht grade breitseite 90% faehrt wirkt die panzerung wie auch jeden anderen BB und wen man mal ne üause braucht kurz aufhoeren zu feuern und man hat alle zet der welt zu heilen (nix neues das konnten die amis schohn immer auf mid range aber der heal ist dan doch der hohn) Wie schohn bei den deutschen: wen man einen nachteil hat dan bitte nicht ne Taste mitliefern der diesen negiert......

its bad because they wreck anything else too. Its bad becasue you do not need to use any other amo to get decent results. Its bad because it negates good player skills you dont neeed to time damcon your reload does it for you you dont need to learn bounce angles its dump ammo. I dont mind it wrecking DDs thats the job of HE. I mind it siting in the barrel 99% of the time because its easyer to faceroll with HE than using AP in the right situation....

Their lack of surviability is also insane as is their total dependence on teammates to shield and spot for them ....well it balace itself out but the playstyle even if efective isnt what most consider fun and can be contered hard by players who know what they do. Thogh sice there are so few smoke nerf is inc soon.......

since when did high tir US Torps have trobble hiting BBs? your handicaped by only 2 lanchers and low reload speed but their torp conceilment were never a problem......hiting a non charging BB on the other hand with any but Gering is a chalenge for all DDs (ok yugumo and shima can do but thats 3 out of all)