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Wich dosent change that she is a rather small upgrade from the prem Gremy (if at all). What make the sovjet version really powerful for its Tir

Well chia has missles aimed at Taiwan but thats beside the point. Glad i dont have to train another DD captain.

Are both sre treated as chinease? With interchanging captain?

Not really. Most high Tir torps get shot from 7 to 10 km anyway. A full stealrh Fubuki has a Detection range of 5.5km. 10km torps cant Hit targets that on a away corse and thats T8 plus playstyle. Get Hit once flee back to the mapboarder till your oor then head back in till you get Hit again and repeat.

Witzig fand ich das sie für einen rusischen Baum erstmal Blaubausen abstauben müssen aber ein Deutsch baum nix ist obwohl die Graf Zepelin fast vertig gestell worden ist.

The problem i see is if the skill is really powerfull the Normal AA power will get downgraded to balance it much like the IJN Air Torps were 1st nerfed in speed and now you can get a skill to bring it back up.We see fewer CV then ahe skill becomes useless people retrain and in the few games you meet an CV your now nerfed AA cant cope with it.

Bad idia controllable planes dont conter DDs they just kill them. What CA need is something like the Vigilance skill as class base skill so the can push agist DDs without haveing near no reaction time vs Torps with a relativ speed of over 100kn that and enogh survivability to get close to DDs without geting one shoted by BBs.

Things you can do wrong in Tirpitz: Just because your one of the fastest BB dosent mean your should charge ahead. Stay in formation with your Team. Tirpitz armor works best at close range when angled. Also Tirpitz turests turn really fast for a BB use that to your advantage when enemys are forced to turn because of Mapboarders or Islands. That said know your Taget prioritys. Thanks to her rof Tirpits excells at killing CAs but allways look for opertunitys. If a stray BB thinks your focused on a CA and turn his side to you while the CA is presenting a dificult shot dont be afraid to change Targets. Again high turet turnrate alow you to do stuff other BBs stuggle with. And learn BB 101: change course AND Speed regulary. even when ur high Tir your facing Fubukis and from one of my games i can confirm: It takes 5 Torpedos to sink a Tirpitz. I sunk 2 in one game with 10 ,-)))

Now analyze again why "good"CA statwise are those that are long range and less likely to suport and more likely to burn down BBs wich are not the primary targets for them. See a patern were playing in the way a class is suposed to play is oposed to how to Play it efectivly?

You are actually reading what wrote? CA that stick in ranges to suport DDs get killed nearly instantly by BBs. Most perceived BB/DD Problems could be fixed without nerfing/buffing by adresing CA surviability so that that Class actually can do its Job instand of being forced to shoot from max range to survive.

And how does your BB helps the DD to keep alive when it runs into oposing DDs? Suporting DDS is the CAs job. As long as BBs total decimate CAs doing their job you cant blame IJN DDs wich are not designed to get into Gun fights play it safe.

Well Pre nerf i hit a T8 (Taskkent?) with 22 203mm HE shells from my New orleans. then he sunk me with Gunfire. How often needs a same Tir CA that has no other feature than his gun and AA that can nowdays only kill spoter since CV are non existant suposed to hit an even Tir DD? Was kind of absurd but oh well now Mogami gets nerfed in the ground only leaves MK as a DD Hunter at high level.

And how is that irrelevant. The only problem with DDs is if one side has significant more than the other. Nothing more nothing less. Nobody forces you in a BB to go solo without backup. Your supose to die very fast if you do. High level DDs have significant reload and more than one shooting on you usally means the 2ed or 3rd totally miss because you changed course for the 1sts salvo.

Have to look that up he said 1871 and that was exactly the 2ed Reich.

1. The name Deutschland worked well in the prewar period to show of german naval power. With the loss of the Graf spee it was considered that the loss of a ship was would be an emberasment. Partly to conceal the selling of of a Hipper class CA to the sovjets it was renamed Lützow and yes it was sugested that the name (Deutschland not Großdeutschland) could go to one of the H39 but as long as the war lasted that would never happen. So in a sense its partly historical if it would have finished after the war but very likely to renamed again if another came up for given reasons. So a "Peacetime" name is still pretty unhistoric. 2. To my knowlege the 2ed german Reich was called "Heiligen Römischen Reich Deutscher Nation" and not "Großdeutschland". Großdeutschland sound much like Großdeutsches Reich and thats the name of Germany after Austia became part of it in 1938 to 1945 so you can hardly blame it if its very much seen as a 3rd Reich or Nazi tinted name especally when most of the KMs ´shipnames came from the pre 1933 naming traditions .The coresponding post on the german forum is atm 4005 views /180 replys with 2/3 being agist it at 313 votes (but just a Yes/No vote) so while you might find it ok quite a bit dont think that way. Either way as said before other standpoints are as welcome because thats the only way to see if the larger comunity see the name as problematic.

No it dont. one is a historical reason. The other is a german comunty perceived one thogh not as strong is as the IJN flag in asian contrys or the swasika. I give a 3rd option and i tryed to make the opening text as neutral as posible since id like a honest opinion not to direct the poll one way or another, My personal opinon is that its not ok for given reasons and i would word it a bit more strongly it were not a poll.

I think about rusing WWI Vessels since quite some KM ships used them a bit hard thogh since we dont know what they will use in the BB apart from Nasau and Kaiser. Give it some thoght at work.

Kanst du leider vergessen den die die 260 haben werden zumesist eh nur noch die Wochenaufträge haben und an denen kann man nicht "vorbeispielen"

Thats not the point Myoko amd Kongo can be get by anyone for Atago you had to pay real money and quite a bit since its a T8 Prem. To just give away an equivalent ship for free to anybody would case quite a uproar.

I find it VERY unlikely they include her because it would really BEEEP of people who boght Atago. Since Myoko is from the comic allready they have quite some ships to chose from including HMS Vampire,HMS Repulse, Zuhio a whole bunch of Myokos, Hyuga, Nagato.

Well you missed another Prem that get dobble nerded by the patch: Yubari Without AFT it was rather poor in the Anti ship role: just 2 poorly armoed Turets prone to be knocked out. Bad torpedoarc and range forcing you to show your citadells for a VERY smal lanch window, Destroyer like fragile rudder and engine. The 2ed is the nerf to 25mm AA guns and focused fire wich lowers its 2ed selling point: Short range AA cover.

Genau 406mm war H39 meine ich. Das problem wird eher wie die 8 Geschütze gegen 9 Yamato oder 12 Montana zu balancen.

The problem is Pensas Citadels can be easyly penetrated even when angled compared to the Clevland (honestly its survivabiliy is the point that make that ship more Op than any of her Gunperformance).

Karlsruhe wouldnt be so bad if it had speed as it is it cant compeate with either kuma or phoenix. St louis has the same "unfair" buff as Clevland. AP dont work much on her so it takes time to burn her down something some nations (especally german) have problem with. Pensa has good guns for its Level much more so than New Orleans at her tir but Pensas Armor means it get Citadeled too much even when agled. New Orleans was a good Fleet escord but then the nerfbat all but removed CVs and MK does the same job just as good but is more flexible leaving her with the underdog spot of the T8 CAs. Königsberg and Nürnberg are the kings of the glasscanons. You can have a 10 min killergame and then BÄMMM you are dead from full to zero.

Depends on range honestly even nerfed she will be a beast but i wouldt underestimate Aobas either. Nelson: Mogami with 200ish mm is better than Myoko because it can mount t8 modules reducing her unter 10km stealth fully trained and has better gunarcs too boot. too bad they want to nerf one of the rather unique CAs into the ground. Not saying it will be too bad but its looks like a Ibuki minus the heal ability once 150ish mm are no longer playable.