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  1. manolojones

    Warship Waifu

    Merci
  2. manolojones

    Warship Waifu

    Quel modèle as-tu utilisé pour cette waifu ?
  3. Does anyone know if the camos, which are now useless, can be sold?
  4. manolojones

    Azur Lane: Fourth Wave

    And also, with the possibility of getting a repeated shipgirl...
  5. manolojones

    Newcomers from Ukraine

    Welcome to the EU server.
  6. manolojones

    Developer Bulletin for Update 0.11.4

    And there is no flag for the Sardegna Empire?
  7. manolojones

    Full Spanish Battleship Line

    Because they were fixed torpedo launchers and that mechanic seems that WG does not know, or does not want to implement it.
  8. manolojones

    Armada: Canarias

    You're right. The Spanish of Spain does not sound the same as that of the Hispanic American countries. (Well, even within Spain, it can sound different depending on the region...) It is to be hoped that at some point they put the correct voice for a Spanish captain. Perhaps, at the latest, when the Spanish line arrives.
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    Roadmap for 2022

    It's already done, my friend. It's already done...
  10. manolojones

    The Spanish Littorio

    *Dedicated to my father.* Hi all. This should have been a simple job: using the Shipbucket drawings, changing the colors, the flag and some other details. I had already done it before, but I wanted to delve a little deeper into what a Spanish Littorio would be like, and, as it turns out, the more I investigated, the more complicated things became. The culprit of this complication has been mainly the Roma that I have in my port, all full of little details that I have not resisted the urge to incorporate into the project. I also saw that the drawing on Shipbucket lacked perspective, showing only the profile. I decided to design a top view which I had to do from scratch. Then two books appeared that gave me more ideas and, to top it off, the cruiser Canarias was announced with some details that I also wanted to take advantage of. The most difficult thing turned out to be choosing which long-range anti-aircraft artillery configuration, because there were several options that could be used. In the end, I made the drastic decision to do all the ones that seemed interesting to me. So let's get started. The first thing is to make a small historical briefing. Just a few months after the end of the Spanish Civil War, the Naval Program of 1939 was established. A plan as ambitious as it was chimerical, it called for the construction of no less than 4 battleships, 2 protected cruisers, 12 light cruisers, 54 destroyers, 36 torpedo ships, 50 submarines, 100 torpedo boats and an unknown number of auxiliary vessels. And, of course, all the necessary infrastructure for the construction and maintenance of such ships. A later revision of this Program in 1943 would maintain the number of battleships, although it would modify the quantities of the rest of the units, as well as adding 4 aircraft carriers. In that same year, 1939, the Spanish government terminated the contract with the SECN (Sociedad Española de Construcción Naval), a company in which the British firms Vickers-Armstrong and John Brown contributed both capital and technology, and which had monopolized since 1909 the Spanish military naval construction. In its place, the well-known Bazán state company, the current Navantia, would be created. Having broken any type of relationship with the United Kingdom for the construction of the new ships, all the effort to obtain the technological support that such a Program required fell on Germany and Italy, mainly the latter, since the battleships, cruisers and destroyers were going to be inspired by the existing units of the Regia Marina. In our case, the battleships would be in the Littorio class. It is necessary to mention the sources of information that I have used for the designs that I am going to present. There is not much information available about what these ships would have been like in their Spanish version. Perhaps there is some documentation in some forgotten archive of the Armada, but I have only been able to find some references on the Web. In these searches I found two books, which I was able to acquire, and which have been very helpful: “Buques de la Armada Española – Los años de postguerra”, by Juan Luis Coello Lillo. “Battleships – Axis and Neutral Battleships in World War II”, by William H. Garzke, Jr. and Robert O. Dulin, Jr. To these books we must add the designs of the battleship Roma from Shipbucket, on which I made the modifications, and the design of this same ship from World of Warships, from which I took many details (too many), and which was the direct cause of this work taking such amount of time... What can be learned from the gathered information? To begin with, it must be said that, although they had been similar to the units of the Littorio type, the generic name of the class, Luis Coello in his book tells us that they were actually going to be inspired by the second series of these ships, that is, by the Rome and the Impero. In fact, Luis Coello always mentions the Impero, but since this ship was never completed, I will only mention the Roma. This detail is noteworthy, since, although Wargaming has presented us with the Vittorio Venetto as an identical twin of the Roma, in reality there were some differences between the two. We know something else. Garzke and Dulin consulted various Spanish sources for their book and although they were going to be strongly inspired by Roma, our version was going to have some differences: Slightly increased displacement due to the addition of additional deck armor, improved structural strength, and modified anti-aircraft weaponry. The dimensions would generally be the same, except for the draft, which would increase due to the increased displacement. The main and secondary armament would remain, but the anti-aircraft would be different, with dual-purpose 120mm guns, as well as 40 or 37mm and 20mm guns. Protection would have minor changes due to increased deck armor. The machinery would be the same, but the maximum speed and autonomy would be slightly reduced by the increase in displacement. Not only due to the scarcity of material and economic resources in a Spain devastated by three years of war, but also due to the entry of Italy itself into World War II, caused this entire naval plan to be cancelled. But here we are going to conjecture what these battleships would have been like if the circumstances had been different. Before proceeding with the designs, there are a number of other considerations to take into account. As a consequence of the Spanish-German Bär Program (1), the ships of the Armada Española were equipped for many years with various German material, which will be present here in the following ways: The medium range anti-aircraft will be the 3.7 cm SK C/30 and the short range, 20 mm cannons, in single and quadruple mounts. The radio rangefinder is of the FuMO type, like the one that was bought for the cruiser Canariase but never arrived in Spain. The seaplanes are Heinkel He 114, which served in the Ejército del Aire, one of which was assigned to the cruiser Miguel de Cervantes. The catapult is of German origin, like the ones that were going to be installed on the twin cruisers Galicia and the previously mentioned Miguel de Cervantes, but which were not received either. And as details: The crane to pick up the seaplanes is similar to the one carried for the same purpose by the two aforementioned cruiser ships. I consider the Gufo radar a reasonable contribution of Italian technical advice. The 152mm secondary artillery towers are the triple ones of the Duca Degli Abruzzi type class cruisers, since the light cruisers of the Programa Naval were going to be inspired by them, and it is logical to think that by standardization the turrets would be the same. Name. In view of the battleships that Spain had and a later project, it seems that the trend was going to be to name the battleships with the names of kings (Pelayo, Jaime I, Alfonso XIII, Reina Victoria Eugenia). I have chosen Fernando el Católico, Rey de Aragón (Ferdinand the Catholic, King of Aragon), because there were previously ships with that name in the Armada Española and, furthermore, because I am Aragonese. As I have already mentioned, there are not many details of these ships, not even plans or illustrations. The only one is the one that comes in the book by Garzke and Dulin: Which looks like this: (Version 1) Several details are noteworthy. The Italian catapult, the lack of anti-aircraft guns on turrets 2 and 3, which were quite common on battleships of all fleets, and the five single 120mm mounts per side. With respect to the latter, just two more 120mm guns in total than the Canarias-class cruisers seems a bit short for a ship of that size. That's why I prefer this other version, with a German catapult, the 37mm guns on the towers and a couple of additional 120mm guns: (Version 2) It should be noted that at that time twin 120mm gun installations were already being considered in both cruiser and destroyer projects, as was the case with the Oquendo-class destroyers. It is then possible to conjecture that instead of single, twin mounts were used, which would give this other aspect to the ship: (Version 3) Or this one, with a couple of extra 120mm mounts: (Version 4) There is an interesting version, made by @Tzoli: In this one, the 152mm turrets have been removed and all the secondary artillery is made up of 120mm mounts. In addition, an anti-aircraft platform has been added in the area ahead of turret 3, which gives it a more than powerful defense against aviation. This would be the aspect: (Version 5) Previously it has been mentioned that one of the differentiating characteristics of the Spanish Littorio was going to be the Spanish-made 120mm anti-aircraft artillery, but according to Luis Coello, for the projected fleet in the Naval Program and the already existing cruisers, the intention was that this function will be performed by 90mm guns. As there were difficulties in obtaining the Italian 90/50 Ansaldo-OTO, the development and construction by the national industry of a 90mm and 60 caliber gun was decided, in double stabilized and protected mounts. The project was carried out between 1940 and 1946. Several test gun barrels were manufactured, but the low quality of the material and the lack of resources and technology ended with the cancellation of the project. Proof of the seriousness of the intent to use these 90 mm guns is that cruiser designs such as the 124-A and 138 had these mounts in their plans and specifications. Thus, a version of the Spanish Littorio with 90mm guns could have looked like this: (Version 6) Or even something more powerful: (Version 7) It is very possible that the general appearance of these ships could have been somewhat different, since the superstructure could have been substantially modified according to the requirements of the Armada or the inspiration of Spanish naval engineers. Suffice it to recall that the final design of the Canarias differed significantly from the British original. However, to imagine what these changes would have been like would be to speculate too much so, in the absence of more information, I prefer to stay with the elegant original appearance of the Roma. The Spanish Littorio in World of Warships The inevitable question is whether a Spanish Littorio is justified in the game. And if so, what would it be like? To the first question, the answer is very clear: yes. To 100%. More, much more, than other ships in the game. Regarding the second one, Wargaming would have two possibilities: Make a clone of Roma, like the Vittorio Venetto and the AL Littorio. It is the simplest option, although not the most likely. On the basis of the Roma, modify it to the Spanish characteristics previously exposed. In other words, do the same thing that has been done with the Giulio Cesare/Novorossiysk and the Nürnberg/Admiral Makarov. With just what is currently developed for the game, there is more than enough material, including the 120mm guns of the Canarias. With all this, and regardless of what Wargaming has in development for the Spanish line, right now a Spanish Littorio could be made according to versions 1 or 2. In view of this, it can be said that if Wargaming does not release a Spanish premium tier 8 battleship, it is simply because they do not want to. Although, who knows; maybe they're already on it... (1) About Bär Program Detailed information about this Program can be consulted in these links (sorry, but I have only found references in Spanish): https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programa_Bär https://www.mve2gm.es/paises/españa-nacional/adquisicion-de-material-militar-extranjero/ https://www.defensa.gob.es/portaldecultura/Galerias/actividades/fichero/2015/Noviembre/TESIS_01A04.pdf
  11. After using alternate mode, you cannot use regular mode for 50 seconds either.
  12. Spanish cruiser Canarias, Tier VI: Main battery reload time in the alternate firing mode increased from 40 to 50 s. Can someone explain to me what is the use of a ship that cannot fire for 50 seconds?
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    Tier VI Canarias

    Entschuldigen Sie mein Google Translate Deutsch, aber vielleicht sollten Sie sich diesen Vorschlag für eine spanische Kreuzfahrtlinie ansehen: http://foros.aceroyfuego.com/topic/1823-los-cruceros-españoles-bola-de-cristal/
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    ST 0.10.11, New ships (DB 243)

    Actually, they were installed, but were removed in 1960. What there is no record is that they were ever used or if they were even operational.
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    ST 0.10.11, New ships (DB 243)

    No, it's not a joke. In fact, it is true. They are the neutrality marks that Spanish ships carried during the Second World War.
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