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Would it be possible to instead of the preliminary Brooklyn, put the Juneau-class or the Oakland group(probably better not as insane AA) from the Atlanta class in tier 6? (12 x 5"/38 batteries without torpedo tubes(Juneau))

Fair enough The basic problem with the Battlecruisers is that there isn't a place for them. A ship that's as big as a battleship, but It's not as well armored nor armed and it's only purpose is to hunt down CAs while avoiding direct confrontations with Battleships is to say the least, not needed. A battleship that can only fight one class. It would be weak against CVs, DDs, and BBs and it's only strong point would be killing CAs slightly more efficiently than a CA.

Do you think they can make a full CL line or just like a half line? having a tier 10 CL would be interesting game-play wise.

Well, I am perfectly okay with simply balancing the DDs and the CVs for BB removal, but then you can imagine the whine-fest, I made a topic about it, it's a bad idea, I still rather not play in a team that's 60-70% Battleships reduced/reworked AA and torpedoes with spotting ranges less than 1,5 km. CAs can probably dodge them, while battleships cannot that might solve some problems Thing is that the current AA system is bad, really simplistic and such. If you look at the AAA, their DPS is constant through-out the guns. It doesn't matter whether it's a 76 mm, a 5"/38, a 5"/54 or a 100 mm/65 type 98 The short ranged AA, like the Oerlikons, the .50 cals, and such should be well, kind of a "mini panic button", they should not really shoot down planes, instead make them panic to prevent short range shotgunning from CVs, like 1 km torpedo drops and such While the medium ranged AA, like the Bofors 40 mm should be the guns that shoot down planes AAA well, It would be nice if the game would consider the type of gun, like a 5"/25 should be a little bit worse than a 5"/54 and such Would be also nice if AA would not be an AoE DOT

Yeah, I know I played around 20 battles in her Problem is that I am so tired with constantly fighting battleships upon battleships upon battleships It does not require much skill to set your auto-pilot and start shooting stuff, seriously I had occasions where I dodged 90% of the battleships fire and I still get wrecked by that one or two stray RNG guided shell Either WG should implement some kind of limitations on the MM so there'll be only max 3 or maybe god save me 4 battleships per battle or do something with the destroyers and the carriers to make them kill BBs fast Well since WG looooves their statistics I am quite sure we will see something that cuts down the BB numbers in the near future. OH the sweet, sweet tears of the BB captains will quench my thirst and I will laugh and laugh and LAUGH AND LAUGH AND WHEN THE NOOB AND THE IGNORANT WILL WATCH THEIR BURNING SHIPS AND THEIR SINKING WRECKS THEY WILL CRY AND SHOUT "SAVE US" AND WG WILL WHISPER: "NO"

Yesterday morning there was an hour and a half when there where more cruisers in the queue than battleships, I had a game in the Myoko when there were only 4 BBs in the entire battle If I do not have replays about that time, I'd think I am going crazy. I seriously cannot bring myself to grind that 5 k xp for the Mogami, Hell, If this Age of Battleships remains for a long time, I think I will play something else, hyay I still have a joystick and I might try my luck constructing exploding space-stations and rockets and maybe derail an asteroid so it will collide with Kerbin or the Mun

I am at the point where I re-bought the Erie because I cannot stand the BB's "Who's got the bigger stick?" game in higher tiers

Well, I'm interested how exactly they'll try to put the Alaska into the tech tree I'm guessing a premium tier 7-8 status, as a regular ship, they'd probably put her into tier 5 or 6 Well, the Baltimore is 2 thousand tons lighter in standard displacement, and one 8" three gun turret is around 300 tons, She's 30 feet longer than the Baltimore which is around 10 meter I think? So, I think that's probably near-Baltimore levels of protection Anyway Damn the DM to hell, seal her into the deepest pits of R'lyeh in the deepest parts of the Mariana-trench and make her stay in there forever

Yeah, I know that Alaska isn't really a tier 10 material, but She'd be still better than nothing Those are the two I meant for the tier 10 spot, they are around the size of the Baltimore and with 12 8" guns, I'm guessing they'd have around the same armor protection as the Baltimore, I'd rather play them than the DM to be honest

Sorry for quoting this, but I was lazy to find the relevant one I was thinking that instead of the "super-Baltimore", we could put the Alaska-class in the tier 10 spot, but given the ship's size, even If we'd increase her maneuverability and such she'd be insanely big for a cruiser. When I looked into her design however I found that she had some nice preliminary designs that could fit into the tier 10 spot. What do you think of these? http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/usnshtp/cru/cb1cl-d.htm I think they could make a couple of interesting ships

I just kind of realized Isn't the Zao just a battle-cruiser with cruiser guns? like 31 knots speed 175 mm belt armor It's just really BC like except the guns

Or just simply ...I don't know Decrease the AA on ships so you wouldn't lose so much planes? Just a guess Well, even if you'd give BBs, CAs, and DDs limited ammo they'd never run out because they carried enough for a 20 minute continuous gunfight

they buffed her already

Yeah It's that hard to understand....OF course it's bloody easy to understand what the hell you mean, jesus But the hell is it hard to understand that when you refer to them as BBs in this post and BC in another one, someone will try to correct you, eh?

You refered to them as battlecruisers in this post Then as battleships in this one And now they are yet again battlecruisers The hell are you talking about

Yes, but She's essentially a battlecruiser.. Who cares whether She was real or not? Edit: Well, actually the hell knows how thick is her armor, until WG doesn't provide some info about in game armor I'm going to assume she has 150 something belt armor

There was actually like 2 topics about the Alaska-class actually Brits will have their BC line, Germans too probably They are faster battleships Well, Alaska maybe is more of a cruiser really than a battleship so who knows... If Wg implement her in a way that She's more cruiser like instead of battleship like, then I'll probably enjoy here Kongo has freaking 120 mm belt armor, you call that a BB? Also Izumo with 150 mm? Battlecruisers are a failed concept, you'd have battleships that cannot engage battleships and are only marginally able to keep up with cruisers How would that be any good? You'd have a big [edited]cruiser that still cannot kill a battleship yet She's as big as a freaking battleship but with half the armor and smaller guns. You'd essentially have a battleship that's only able to kill cruisers and fails in everything else. Is that sounds so OP to you?

Hmmmm I do not think there's much difference whether you play IJN or USN. Cruisers are cruisers. you dodge and fire dodge and fire Torpedoes are a nice addition to the IJN, but they are only auxiliary, you depend on your guns USN got better gun layout overall I'd say and they present a smaller target They are harder to citadel pen sometimes Hmm, Cleveland is OP doesn't belong in tier 6 DM is Op doesn't belong in the game Other than that they are pretty similar Maybe IJN has a little bit higher skill ceiling, but after tier 7 they play the god damn same way

What's the point of Kongo and Amagi? Or Hood?

Well It's not really a cruisers job to defeat battleships, It's a carriers I hope that Wg are just testing this world of battleship thing, because If they not...

We assume that WG will nerf the HE, once they realize that it's a lil' bit over-performing DM is a monster, that's it. Either WG makes up similar monsters for other nations or make her into a glass cannon, which is given their desire to make the USN cruisers more durable than others would be quite stupid. Scrap that thing and put something nice paper ship into her place.

If let's say Wg would remove Des Moines, and put Cleveland in tier 8 with a Brooklyn study in tier 6 and Brooklyn in tier 7 with let's say the Worcester being tier 9, What ship would you put into tier 10 in the CA line? There's the Oregon City, but is that ship different enough from the Baltimore to justify the tier 10 spot? Or would it be perhaps better to raise the Baltimore to tier 10 and put the Wichita in tier 9? Or maybe put the Northampton or Portland in tier 8 and raise the NO to tier 9? Now I only googled for a bit and do not know these ship's performance just the "evolution" of the CL and CA cruisers, so please forgive me If I speak some BS here.

deck armor maybe? Or just did not hit anything important enough to do damage

extreme angles, If you hit armor at degrees exceeding 70-80° then you bounce btw I though you refer to minimal damages based on your first comment

Pappus, on 18 May 2015 - 01:45 PM, said: 50x He didn't even do 5k damage so I am not too sure right now what the point is. Should I just not fight BBs? I am a genuine cruiser beginner so I don't know what to do with the cleve. It's a light cruiser, If you can, you avoid BBs If you cannot stay as far as possible from them and pepper them with HE. It's a world of battleships right now Rybak1999, on 18 May 2015 - 01:46 PM, said: It's understandable that BB's can't be penetrated with something like this, but... how the heck I bounced few 152mm AP shells from tinfoil armor? When you bounce you do zero damage, when you hit citadel you do your max shell damage, in between those two you do regular damage