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Since some people kept claiming that BBs have been constantly buffed, buffed and buffed some more (which isn't really a thing, but I digress) I spent a few hours going through all the patchnotes I had available to me - all since patch 0.5.2 - and collected all the buffs to BBs over this time - just so you wouldn't have to bother doing that yourselves. Sources: Patch 0.5.2 through 0.6.10.1 https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/update-notes-main/ Patch 0.6.11 through 0.6.15.1 except 0.6.14.X https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/updates/ Patch 0.6.14.X https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/common/anchored-in-asia/ Now, please, feel free to go through all this list and point out to me where BBs were overbuffed Note: bugfixes are not buffs, thus no bugfix has been included 0.5.2 Increased XP ratios for Wyoming, Iowa, Montana, Izumo, Yamato Increased Credit ratios for South Carolina, North Caroline, Iowa, Montana, Kawachi, Kongo, Izumo, Yamato 0.5.2.1 0.5.2.2 0.5.2.3 Increased credit gain for Mikasa 0.5.2.4 0.5.3 Increased XP ratios for Iowa, Montana 0.5.3.1 0.5.3.2 0.5.4 Hit points of secondary guns have been doubled (not a BB specific) 0.5.4.1 0.5.4.2 0.5.5 Shells from Izumos top guns are now available with the stock hull Ishizuchi - penetrability of the steering gear and magazine modules by HE shell fragments is reduced. Rate of fire increased from 30s to 25s for her main guns 0.5.5.1 0.5.5.2 0.5.6 Tirpitz AA slightly improved (2km range AA increased from 78 to 84 points) Tirpitz starboard torpedo launch sector width extended by 1 degree Texas AA improved (2km range AA increased from 115 to 158 points) New Mexico C hull AA slightly improved (2km range AA increased from 49 to 60) Colorado C hull AA slightly improved (2km range AA increased from 119 to 133 points / 3.5km range AA increased from 152 to 161 points) North Carolina AA significantly improved. A hull 3.5km rage AA increased from 132 to 159 points. B hull 3.5km range AA increased from 185 to 238 points North Carolina secondary gun firing range increased from 4.5km to 5km North Carolina 2nd and 3rd main turret traverse angles extended North Carolina firing accuracy of her main guns was increased by adjusting the distribution of shell impact points within the dispersion ellipse Iowa AA significantly improved. A hull 3.5km range AA increased from 158 to 223 points. B hull 3.5km range AA increased from 203 to 286 points. C hull 2km range AA increased from 165 to 195 points / 3.5km AA increased from 222 to 302 points. Iowa secondary gun firing range increased from 5km to 6km Iowa 2nd and 3rd main turret traverse angles extended Iowa firing accuracy of her main guns was increased by adjusting the distribution of shell impact points within the dispersion ellipse Iowa maximum speed increased from 26.6kts to 28.8kts Montana AA improved. 2km range AA increased from 162 to 194 points / 3.5km range AA increased from 302 to 318 points Montana secondary gun firing range increased from 5km to 6km Montana firing accuracy of her main guns was increased by adjusting the distribution of shell impact points within the dispersion ellipse Montana maximum speed increased from 28kts to 30kts Myogi C hull AA improved (1.2km range AA increased by 8 points / 2km range AA 32 points transferred to 3.1km range AA) Fuso C hull AA improved (3.1km range AA increased from 23 to 81 points) Nagato C hull AA significantly improved (3.1km range AA increased from 93 to 188 points) Amagi C hull AA improved (3.1km range AA increased from 189 to 215 points) Amagi secondary gun firing rage increased from 4.5km to 5km 0.5.6.1 0.5.7 0.5.8 Tirpitz 2nd, 3rd and 4th turret pointing angles extended by 8, 10 and 6 degrees respectively Warspite 2km range AA increased from 44 to 47 points 0.5.8.1 0.5.9 US BB armour models refined Warspite armour model refined Players now are able to see torpedoes spotted by allies (not BB specific) Warspite draft revised, ship now sits 65cm deeper in water Tirpitz revised the layout of the armour towards its forward and aft ends. Now the armour runs from one side of the ship to the other, while previously it protected only the citadel. Now it will be impossible to hit its citadel with a shell that bypasses the slopes of the deck and the transverse armour protection of the citadel Tirpitz HE penetration for 360-mmSpr.Gr. L/4.6 increased from 64mm to 95mm. Tirpitz penetration for 150-mm Spr.Gr. L/4.5 HE (secondary guns) increased from 25mm to 37mm 0.5.9.1 0.5.10 Secondaries do not cause damage to allies Shell normalization unified for 241mm and higher cal guns at 6 degrees instead of individual values for each ship (assuming buff in some cases) 0.5.11 IJN BB armouor models refined Kongo A hull removed 0.5.11.1 0.5.12 In-game economy now takes into account teamplay elements like spotting and potential damage dealt/received. The thickness of the armoured deck slopes in the vicinity of the magazines located on the bow of Nagatos hulls B and C was corrected (from 76 mm to 289 mm) in accordance with its historical armour layout (no indication – buffed or nerfed, assuming the positive) Gneisenau A hull 2km range AA increased from 89 to 101 points The thickness of the upper part of the transverse armour protection of the citadel of Arizona was corrected (from 203 mm to 330 mm) in accordance with its historical armour layout Friedrich der Grosse and GK dispersion slightly improved 0.5.12.1 Montana deck armouor improved (other information not given) 0.5.13 Tirpitz and Bismark lower part of armour belt recalculated with a new method, thickness value improved from 170mm to 240mm 0.5.13.1 0.5.14 Average credits and XP earnings increased by 1.5% … 3% for BBs Tirpitz thickness of rear plating of the main turrets increased from 220mm to 320mm Konig 305mm HE shell price reduced from 55 credits to 50 credits 0.5.14.1 0.5.15 0.5.15.1 0.5.15.2 0.5.16 König Albert increased the range of vertical angles at which the second gun can be fired by 8 degrees 0.6.0 Montana and Alabama reintroduced more accurate armour layout models for their main turrets (not stated buff or nerf, assume positive) Nagato hull A removed Amagi hull A removed 0.6.0.1 0.6.1 Maximum flooding duration reduced from 120s to 90s (not BB specific) Maximum HP lost due to flooding reduced for ships tier 2 through 7 Konig Albert, Kaiser, Konig, GK and all US BBs except Arkansas Beta penalty to maximum speed while flooding reduced from 35% to 20% 0.6.1.1 0.6.2 Fuso hull A removed New Mexico hull A removed Colorado hull A removed 0.6.2.1 0.6.3 Ships detectability range by sea after firing main batteries equal to maximum firing range – BBs no longer are spotted past that Nassau firing range increased from 9.208km to 10.82km Kaiser firing range increased from 13.308km to 14.54km Konig firing range increased from 14.544km to 14.99km Konig Albert firing range increased from 10.84km to 11.86km Kawachi firing range increased from 8.872km to 9.88km Myogi firing range increased from 13.88km to 16.95km Ishizuchi firing range increased from 12.9km to 15.3km Ishizuchi decreased base detectability by sea from 16.56km to 15.2km Mikasa firing range increased from 9.51km to 11.82km South Carolina firing range increased from 10.218km to 14.24km Wyoming firing range increased from 10.965km to 14.38km New York firing range increased from 14.162km to 16.4km Arkansas beta firing range increased from 12.06km to 14.38km Texas firing range increased from 15.58km ti 16.42km New Mexico firing range increased from 13.58km to 14.62km Colorado firing range increased from 15.18km to 17.12km Dunkeque floatplane improved – tier from 6 to 7, HP from 1180 to 1350 and average dps from 45 to 51 0.6.3.1 0.6.4 Tirpitz secondary battery range increased from 4.5km to 7km 0.6.5 Warspite main battery turn time reduced from 72s to 54.5s 0.6.6 Montana, Iowa and Missouri citadel lowered 0.6.6.1 0.6.6.1.1 0.6.7 Mutsu +5% credit income 0.6.7.1 0.6.8 Scharnhorst and Gneisenau secondary gun range increased from 5km to 5.3km Bismark and Tirpitz secondary gun range increased from 7km to 7.5km Friedrich der Grosse secondary gun range increased from 7km to 7.6km GK secondary gun range increased from 7km to 7.7km GK and Gneisenau (B hull) reload time of 128mm secondary batteries reduced from 5s to 4s 0.6.9 0.6.9.1 0.6.10 0.6.10.1 0.6.11 Can clan buildings that increase XP income and decrease service cost be considered as a buff? 0.6.11.1 0.6.11.1.1 0.6.12 Nelson slight increase to short range AA (added two single-barrel Oerlikon cannons – no other info given) 0.6.12.1 0.6.13 Arkansas Beta secondary gun range increased from 3.5km to 4.5km, their accuracy increased. 0.6.13.1 0.6.14 Colorado hull B HP increased from 51000 to 59300 Colorado hull A slightly increased accuracy (not mentioned how) Giulio Cesare torpedo protection increased from 19% to 30% 0.6.14.1 0.6.14.2 0.6.15 Arkansas Beta: Added an option to mount the Damage Control System Modification 2 (is that even a buff?) 0.6.15.1

Explain me this one, I really don't get it. Bow on? Haha, citadel hit and deleted Stern on? Haha, citadel hit and deleted Bottom tier? Higher tier cruisers fighting each other 2...3 km outside your firing range. Go closer? As soon as you open fire - closest target - instantly focused down - die within seconds Stay where you are? End the game with a beautiful message "no battle performance". Hey, at least you were never spotted so you survived! I could keep going on and on about this What the hell is the point to play cruisers right now? Why would you ever pick a class where no matter what you do you are always at the disadvantage against everyone? RN CLs are closest to any kind of exception for this - you at least can smoke up and have a better chance of engaging someone without getting shot. But it's just a "better chance". Still - the second you are spotted - you're basically dead. What's the point to play them?

Well, just because your average potato has no clue why to click buttons "1" or "2" doesn't mean others don't. IJN have a pretty powerful HE round, pretty much on par or in some cases even straight up better than what RN gets. Of course, unless at tiers 7 & 8 there is some vitally important armour plate with thickness between 68 and 94 mm where KGV and Monarch would at least get the benefit of a little bit extra rather useless HE pen that they get.

They didn't magically start, you could always do. Some 2-ish years ago I already noticed that BB AP is more than capable to deal with DDs if the situation arose. Just that noone paid attention to it, and crying about BBs wasn't the cool thing back then, I think either CVs or IJN DDs got the top spot. I mean, I have asked exactly this same question (and laughed about it) so much, including here, but you have to admit - game has changed. With things like radar and whatnot DD gameplay isn't exactly the easiest thing to pull off, and getting deleted by BB just bcuz his "meh just 1 overpen" is almost 10% of your HP

Yeah, I surely would love voice chat! Can't wait to listen to 6 prepubescent kids yelling to me how they've f**ked my mom in all the ways they can imagine while I'm trying to carry their noob a**es Cmon, you know that would be the worst idea ever

I've thought something very similar. Almost like Karma somehow interacts with your match quality and RNG... That's kind of the biggest problem I have as far as some "live testing" goes - by playing just BBs with a taste of CV here and there doesn't net me much info on what CA/Ls and DDs get Should have seen my meltdown on Discord when I unlocked the NC, that shellspeed just doesn't make sense to me

If you're looking for accuracy RN really isn't the line to go for IJN have flat arcs, quick shells, and small dispersion (at least the horizontal one) USN make up for those by having excellent sigma. With RN you won't get anything accurate up to Lion, and even then the accuracy is there just for the closest two thirds of your range.

Fits perfectly if you add 2 full pens and 1 saturated pen. The usual missing ribbons or...? I'm pretty sure this happens to all classes, just that with BB low RoF it's a bit easier to spot.

Separate games basically. That's like switching from EU server to NA - you'll have no ships on NA despite having played on EU.

Ahh, just closed the game, not going to launch it back up just to drop you a few screenshots - you can go get them yourself. Literally all you need to do is open the armour viewer and then compare them

A topic of - what was it now? - 457 comments full of arguments. You want to know something Conq related - go take a read. It's all in there. So yeah, seems like you happen to be the one with no arguments Also... off topic? Where exactly? I mean, this is just the 37th post in this thread, and they are reasonably short so really shouldn't be too hard to find. So please do

57 battles, 5 of them in PvP. Are you even high enough account level to play ranked? This isn't the last season ever, play some matches, learn how the game works. General rule of thumb is - don't buy premiums higher than your highest line ship of that type. By starting to play tier 8 with absolutely no background experience you'll just be a massive headache to your whole team inevitably leading to far more losses than you would get if you actually climbed your way up there.

Atago gets 25mm plating, you'd need 358mm or higher gun caliber to overmatch it. But after that there's the 35mm citadel roof - can't be overmatched. Her citadel belt is 102mm - can't be overmatched either. She even gets 41mm deck armour which is more than RN and US BBs get. Then there is the question - which takes priority over the other - overmatch or autobounce? Should be overmatch, but since BBs somehow can bounce on DDs - not quite so sure. But she still is just a cruiser, she still gets deleted with the only mistake you made being the fact that you decided to play a cruiser. AFAIK Atagos already doing well, especially with her heal. But then again I haven't really played her in a while, so you should get other (actual crusier player) comments here aswell. Not quite, they don't like nerfing them. Buffing - no problem

Exactly this. Doesn't prevent all of them, of course, but even a few is better than none

After how Year of the CV went be careful what you ask for Full list of BB buffs since patch 0.5.2 (is that the one with which the game got released?) Feel free to point me towards that endless flood of buffs or, please, shut the hell up with your completely unfounded claims and whining Probably because it's "which class you liked" not "which class you disliked" poll?

Have had exactly that 1 star away from 9, fell back to 0 stars @ 11

I do pay a lot of attention... as long as I'm not in the tick of battle where I have to pay attention who's where (especially DDs and torps), how I angle and against whom, who I'm going to shoot & when will I do it and so on. At that point I really appreciate having a divisionmate who can pay attention to that in my place Playing Support in League for a few years really taught me the minimap discipline

Sorry mate but that is just I mean, that's probably a bug, I'll check it if I get the same when I'm playing this morning

I'm joining in on this trade, take all of my standard battles aswell. Sometimes it feels like other gamemodes don't exist anymore

Questions 2, 4 and 6 lack the "don't care" answer. Would be a good addition to other questions aswell I guess

Or you maybe take a read from that topic, who knows, maybe you'll actually educate yourself. I mean, sure - come up with something that wasn't already discussed - I'll gladly discuss it with you. Just after that thread... yeah, tough chance you'll get something new They look at the positives, ignore negatives. Then they blow up an imaginary idea of some sorts based on what they looked at. Now they take their idea as fact and ignore everything else. They, of course, don't play the Conq themselves, and they have no interest in figuring out how to play against it. So the crying starts... Ahh, so now it has awesome AP? I though the RN sAP is one of the worst things about the line? I mean, While I said that the sAP is great, you all for the last 3...4 months were claiming that it's horrible, so how is it then? And lower HP (don't actually care) and no armour by tier 8+ BB standarts (actual problem of all 3 t8+ RN BBs) same as ships like Amagi and Kii 29.15% in 199 games... that's 58 wins. How is it even possible? Even AFK would score better at that point Hopefully after the CV rework with the hope that the UI will be actually usable

And this is why you actually read through the post and then you answer, now you look kind of stupid as I provided you that "proof" at the end of it Pff, smaller HP really is the least of the problems there, absolutely don't mind having it. Once again tho - if you bothered to read through the post you'd know what armour I'm talking about ^ this ^ and this Rather obviously. Congratulations, you figured out why people who know what they are talking about are calling RN BB HE dmg "low impact" A lot of repeating myself here. Go and check those armour profiles, and the calculation example I give below. Surely you should be able to understand it, I've played with you enough to know you're not the common potato that can be met so often in these seas. Discussed to great lengths in that topic, not going to address it anymore as you literally don't tell me anything new Also because I find it amusing, here's a very crude sketch of ships armour according to your posts:

Last season, the season before that and the one before that aswell - hydro and radar have always shared the same icon. Generally it's just that you are aware of which one is it by the distance to the ship using it. Or the ship itself - by knowing if it even can have radar.

Corrected your long nonsense to a TL;DR version They do. You see, we don't get all the statistics like what ship does how much dmg to what ship types. WG themselves do obviously. And then - just check pretty much any Conq replay. HE on a BB, HE on a BB and then some more HE on a BB, just burn them as much as you can. I see you just unlocked the Lion? Whenever you get the 419s it's pretty much the same Conq with 1 less turret (and 15 degrees per side worse 3rd turret angles) - same guns, amo, armour, very similar detection and mobility, just that you still have the benefit of a spotter. Unlike almost every single "nerf Conq" yeller you'll actually soon be able to speak with some experience behind you Good deal of those shells that deal dmg to Conq would have done nothing to other BBs bcuz of their armour, which is why Conq gets a better heal. Healing damage that wouldn't have been done on others gives you false sense of vastly improved survivability - it's just not there, really. Contradicting yourself there, as that's not how it works. Already explained that Anyhow, subject of Conq has been long since discussed (pun intended - you'll understand if you bother to keep reading) in a different thread, doubt there's much more you can add to the topic: And as far as your "totally adequate armour is concerned" pay good attention to this one And don't skip neither the pictures, not the text after them

that already made me feel sorry for you if there is one ship you really don't want to see on your team this season - it's Monarch. Unless there is some at least semi-important armour zone that is between 68 and 94 mm thick - there is nothing Monarch does better than other BBs.