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http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/59528-armor-penetration-curves/page__st__120__pid__1267290#entry1267290 Just for comparison: A split into torpedo and gun line seems weird to me, since the Udaloi features the same amount of turrets/barrels as the Kiev while having the better guns.

Bought the Udaloi last year October and it got instantly nerfed. Just bought the Khabarovsk this January, dont you dare to nerf a new bought ship again WG! Looks pretty interesting, although even if the Kiev gets Udaloi like HP, she still lacks the 55 calibers long B-2-U guns from the Udaloi/Khaba. The Kiev´s 50 calibers long B-2LM guns are ballistic wise inferior. Also the Udaloi has 3 sets of torpedos while the Kiev has only 2. Not sure about the Ognevoi at T8 with only 4 guns, I guess WG will compensate with better torpedos.

Still doesnt understand mirror MM, doesnt understand that I made fun of him.

+ the fact that warships.today only tracks and updates the data when ppl search their name via the website + even if he knows maplesyrup, there are still the ppl who have hidden their profile Please dont stop calling me monkey, kiddie and whatever you have already said @ 15JG52Adler, I surrender to your superior comprehension of math. I have clearly no clue at all.

Lmao, mate please stop, I cant breathe.

+ mirror MM and it´s effects are too abstract to comprehend + for using incomplete data set + insulting ppl that actually understand Lovely.

@ Nechrom Do yourself a favor, give up. He will never be able to understand it.

Are you saying that we should balance CVs as if the enemy team would play perfectly together, in other words as if we would play CW/whatever? Bad news for you, WG makes money with the random match and the grind, and not with CW. The vast majority of players will never even play in a organized team/match. If you cant see such a simple point there is no reason to discuss further. You are talking again about teamwork, I dont think you have ever played a random match or any other multiplayer game in the history of multiplayer gaming with random ppl.

What kind of nonsense is this again, this doesnt explain anything, I play cruisers [35%] and BBs [27%] also. This is the shít that triggers me the most, ppl not being able to argue properly, but pulling some shít out of their áss.

Ok, then please tell me what "head CV hater" is? Is it not your poor try to discredit the poster instead of the post. Just like T_H_0_R who also tells me everytime that I would like to see CVs deleted, which surprises me everytime, he truly knows me better than I do myself. The avg CV player carries harder than the avg BB/DD/cruisers will do, thus CVs are OP. Just because there are some rare constellations which makes it harder to strike, doesnt mean that CVs suddenly become weak. Otherwise I would like to see all my DDs buffed, because if the enemy pushes my team with 3 radar cruisers in front my options to do something are severly limited.

Lol. The name calling is always started by the pro CV guys, they never try to disprove my arguments because they cant, instead they just go full ad hominem. Also I am getting bored, because some coprophages here always show up with the same stupid arguments, which are completly trash if you just think 2s about: CVs are very very strong, in fact OP, since no other class can carry that easily. They are frustrating to play, but that is seperate to the balance, just like the UI that cant handle more than 10 APM or the shítty economy.

Oh nein, ein Schiff ist in der Lage ein anderes Schiff zu versenken, vollkommen unbalanced und unspielbar! Absolut unfair, dass ein Spieler in der Lage ist einen anderen Spieler zu versenken.

Du vergisst aber gerne das gleichstufige BBs einen Feuerwiderstandskoeffizienten von 0.5005 haben, sprich nur in 49,95% aller Fälle auch wirklich das Schiff brennt wenn ein Feuer vom RNG "erwürfelt" wird. Das kein einziger Zao Spieler 100% Trefferrate hat ist dir wohl auch nicht aufgefallen. Warships.today gibt für die Zao eine Durchschnittstrefferrate von 33% an, man sollte nicht vergessen das die dort abgespeicherten Daten von im Schnitt besseren Spielern stammen als dem wahren und asbolut durchschnittlichen Max Mustermann.

Here is a very simple example that even you should be able to understand: 1x ship type A is on team red and 1x ship type A is on team blue. Team blue wins, server WR for ship type A is 50%. 3x ship type A is on team red and 3x ship type A is on team blue. Team red wins, server WR for ship type A is 50%. 1x ship type A is on team red and 0x ship type A is on team blue. Team red wins, server WR for ship type A is 100%. 2x ship type A is on team red and 1x ship type A is on team blue. Team blue wins, server WR for ship type A is 33%. THEREFORE IF YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF CVs PER TEAM ON BOTH SIDES [MIRROR MM; DO YOU GET IT NOW??!!] THE WINRATE FOR ALL CVs OF ONE TIER TOGETHER IS 50%. THEREFORE WR SHOWS AT BEST WHICH CV OF ONE TIER IS BETTER. I dont even know why I am disucssing with you anymore. Edit: Seeing your post below, yeah I am the stupid 12 year old one and not you, because you are the one that doesnt even understand mirror MM and if effects, therefore my arguments are all stupid and invalid. It has no point at all, just kill me right now. Weekend potatoes the forum edition.

It has been mentioned in literally every 5th post above you, WR is pointless to discuss due to CV mirror MM. Carrier WR only shows which nation´s CVs are better. It has also been mentioned that every ship ingame has a individual XP factor, thus XP cant be compared. Also player numbers or in other words popularity =/= performance. All 3 things have been mentioned several times in this thread alone, still you dare to post such nonsense. You are like the DD players that go to the 1 line in epicenter matches and report their "noob" team afterwards.

I will tell you now a magic secret that no one ever before has mentioned, especially not in this thread. CVs have mirror MM. Therefore the WR only shows that the US CVs are far worse than the IJN ones. Dont tell it anyone, especially not the commies, it must be kept secret, it took us years to figure it out.

The WG gods have heard me, tomorrow I shall sacrifice my firstborn. Looks like all the people who said that WG wants to implement RPF no matter the cost have been right.

Mate are you even sure you are allowed to say that, I mean "Excellent example how to not understand stats and tailor them to your subjective hate vs. one class you don't want to see in the game in the first place." CV player numbers are obviously so low because they are UP.

Laughable. Please show me your magical tricks, especially this one "after the AA buffs CVs never deal any damage aginst me anymore". Also you never played any T9 or T10 match in a ship that is not a CV, "u can not understand utill u play them". Regarding my stats, I hid them a week ago, I simply dont like XVM mods. Therefore warships.today cant show you the latest numbers, but ofc you cant trust those numbers. I hacked WGs database and API last week, made my stats super good, then let warships.today save them and after that I reverted the changes in WG´s database again, so they will never find out.

You could have actually made the effort to check those numbers for yourself, but instead you chose to complain while ignoring that all other tiers show the same. But here just for you: Latest available 2 month server stats for EU: http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20161224/eu_2month/average_ship.html From T10 to T7, although I dont really consider T8 and T7 high tier, but others do so I included them. ship Hakuryu Midway GK Yamato Montana Minotaur Zao Moskva Hindenburg Des Moines avg dpg 114k 98k 89k 91k 83k 75k 84k 79k 69k 69k ship Taiho Essex FdG Izumo Iowa Neptune Ibuki Donskoi Roon Baltimore avg dpg 92 80 64 60 60 60 49 52 47 38 ship Shokaku Lexington Bismarck Amagi NC Edinburgh Mogami Chapayev Hipper New Orleans avg dpg 62 59 61 57 53 47 37 39 28 28 ship Hiryu Ranger Gneisenau Nagato Colordao Fiji Myoko Shchors Yorck Pepsicola avg dpg 51 43 47 45 42 43 31 35 24 25 Even the Ranger which is considered trash is still no.4 at her tier and she is the only exception, all other CVs are apex predators at their tiers. Not talking about things like spotting, flexibility and survivability. CVs need many things like a shít ton of bugfixes for the UI, here and there loadout reworks and a better economy. But clearly not performance buffs, especially not in the form of general AA nerfs.

You mean you have no real arguments besides your subjective opinion which mainly seems to consists of whining when getting uptiered in your CV.

By what standards is AA messed up? Is AA messed up because it is unrealistic? Well, I have bad news for you. Is AA messed up because AA is too strong and CVs are weak? Well, there are even worse news for you.

So you suggest we should compare WR with other classes although CVs are mirrored MM wise, great suggestion. Next we should compare XP even though every ship ingame has a individual XP factor. What about kills or survival, oh wait CVs are leading again, so we are not allowed to use these since this doesnt fit your opinion. [edited] [edited]

You do realize that we are talking about average stats or dont you understand the meaning of average? It is not like you need any skill to deal more dmg than a Yamato in your Hakuryu.