avenger121

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20170121/eu_2month/average_ship.html You could assume this are the stats from the 21. January and the 2 months before, but I dont want to assume your understanding of time and date. Well, I am open for your interpretation my simple minded friend, I know you like your one liners, but I am afraid that doesnt suffice this time. All I said was that CVs lead DPG, kills, survivability and spotting dmg. Combined with the knowledge that CVs are still the best class to carry a match, you would assume that CVs are pretty damn strong. But by all means, please share your vast knowledge with us, please show us why CVs should be seen as weak despite them performing the best.

Please check forum.wotlabs.net or good steamers like Floris or Straik.

In CBT people have been far more aggressive due to higher player quality, less experience and ppl didnt care about stats/income. Also CBT was a shítfest because CVs facerolled even AA spec Des Moines. Fúckin lovely when CV players declare that you should hunt down AA cruisers like the Des Moines first, so they can strike without DFAA interference for the rest of the game. Those whiny bítches are irrational as fúck and keep whining because they tasted what it is like to be omnipotent and they want it back.

Wrong, it always says that my stats are hidden, however if you scroll down a bit it shows you the latest snapshot. I open the API every few days for a day so warships.today can update them and I can use their filters, but after that I close them because fúck XVM arty focus and soon XVM CV focus.

Mate, are we still at this e-peen contest and your opinion only matters related to your stats? Btw, I beat you in that, 1606 >>>>>> 1299 WTR, you filthy Gremy/Imp Nikolai sealclubber. Just use warships.today you nub. Completly wrong. Fist of all skycáncer does not make the gameplay more dynamic, it only punishes those not camping behind rocks. If you would have any clue you would know that, alternatively play at match in your med/light at the middle ridge on Prok/Fiery, have fun with the enemy CGC randomly fúckin you in the áss.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20170121/eu_2month/average_ship.html Nononono, no stats to support that, CVs just lead in dmg, kills, spotting dmg and survivability. Dealing dmg is so limited with CVs, they just deal more dmg than every other class. Inb4 mirror MM is just a myth. Edit: My stats e-peen to show that my opinion is the best:

Das heisst die bloße Präsenz eines CVs zwingt jeden halbwegs guten Spieler umzudrehen und zusammen mit den Idioten im Team in der Ecke der Karte zu sitzen und auf die Niederlage zu warten, anstelle vorn das Spiel zu gewinnen. Wow, CVs müsen ja wirklich sehr weit entfernt von "zu stark" sein, wenn sie einfach mal im Alleingang die wenigen guten Spieler zu Passivität zwingen und an die Fensterlecker binden. Die Serverstatistiken lasse ich mal außen vor, sonst machst du es noch Ectar gleich und postest noch eine kleine Tabelle die alle Tiers zusammenfasst, auch die in denen keine CVs sind. Hatte Ectar nicht damals auch gesagt, dass CVs OK sind? Wahrscheinlich haben sich alle die CV Meta von damals eingebildet.

This sentence alone shows that you are completly unable to talk about balance. CVs have been constantly nerfed, that is true, but they are still the best performing class. Tell me why the fúckin hell would you buff the best performing class even more, just because they have been nerfed before?! Holy shít what kind of rétard logic is that?! This sentence is on the same level as weekend teams hiding behind A while the enemy has B+C. The abuse of language, "ludicrous" nerfs, yeah totally ludicrous, so ludicrous that CVs are still the best carry. 11/10 So because some guy hired for community work aka organising Q&As and other crap for the players made some statement about balance this is the new truth? I am disgusted by your try to abuse this for your standpoint. Remember when Ectar, back in 2015 shortly after release, said in the "everything is OP" thread that CVs are fine? Surely that was also true back then, CV meta was never a thing, everyone just imagined that.

How are CVs supposed to fix meta problems? Are you trying to tell us the CVs player will fly another 22km with his planes to smack the baBBies sitting braindead at the map border or will he just fúck with the few poor guys that actually try to carry hard. If you are any smart you fúck with the guys that try to carry, simply because that is the way to win, why would you focus on useless guys that are de facto AFK. This is the reason why good CV players focus DDs, not because of that stupid AA is too strong myth. Just look at very old streams from Pape for example, even back then he tried to kill DDs early on, even though back then you mainly played standard matches and DDs were not nearly as valuable as they are today. You think Taihos/Hakuryus with 3 TB are hard to dodge as DD? It seems you have never played against the Essex/Midway with 2x TB squadrons. Just like CVs are supposed to stop passive play, because surely as CV you want to kill the passive and useless players first and not the guys that are actually winning the match for the enemy. CVs are weak? Nice joke mate. If you want to determine ship performance you look at WR and DPG. Since we are talking about CVs WR doesnt help us at all thanks to mirror MM, to make up for that we could look at kills per match, survivability and spotting dmg. CVs lead DPG, CVs lead kills, CVs lead survivability and CVs lead spotting dmg. In what kind of twisted reality are CVs weak? The main reason for people complaining CVs are weak is the constant small steam of nerfs. WG nerfed the Khabarovsk last year and still it is the best performing T10 DD, back then people cried that the nerf is unjustified and the Khabarovsk is now completly unplayable because every other RU DD from T5 on has more range. Just imagine what people will bring up when WG nerfs the Khabarovsk again? Despite all nerfs, all AA buffs and all buffs to AS, CVs are still the best performing class. People simply dont like to see their toys getting nerfed, even worse if it happens constantly over a long period of time. Also not helping is the fact that AA is automatic and a pure numbers game, as bottom tier CVs see little chance against AA 2 tiers higher. If it would be a skill influenced mechanic people could compensate, just like a good Bayern player will still smack a average NC potatoe. On the other hand people tend to forget the matches when they are top tier with their CV and annihilate ships 2 tiers lower than them. Just like all the threads with people complaining being matched against enemies 2 tiers higher and therefore the MM is broken and needs fixing, but they never mention the times when they are top tier and sealclubb the other players. CV UI is cancer and the economy is crap, but CVs are clearly not weak performance/balance wise and everyone telling you something different is a complete moron.

People will never play again like they did during CBT/shortly after release. Pubbies are simply too stupid to know when to push in and when not. Once they tried to push at the wrong time and got smacked hard, now they sit in fear at distance and play passive. Whenever the pubbie thinks he has a choice between pushing or staying at distance he will choose the distance, no matter what. It is exactly the same as in WoT. It has nothing to do with the amount of battleships or the newest flavor of the month, "spike dmg" aka citadels. People calling for the removal of citadels or less BBs in order to decrease passive play are deluding themselves. The only way to achieve shorter combat distances is by forcing them, e.g. hard capping firing range at 19 or 20km.

Oh geez are you dense. Which part about server stats and average dont you understand? This is not some kind of potential, this the dmg dealt by the average player, this is the how players perform in reality. I dont know in what kind of fantasy you live, but stop molesting me with it, this is your issue. If you cant see the connection between average and easy to achieve I cant help you.

While it is true, I wouldnt call it abysmal, the post-nerf Khaba has only 990m more range. The Gorozovoi is 3.5kn slower, but 1.18km later detected. The Gorozovoi´s guns have longer barrels and thus higher MV, 950m/s in comparison to 900m/s on the Khaba. The Gorozovoi also has higher dmg HE shells with the same fire chance. The Gorozovoi may not be able to beat the Khabarovsk as apex gunboat, but she will still easily beat any non russian DD in gunfights.

Damn, except for the number of guns the Gorozovoi now features a better artillery than the Khabarovsk.

Spot the mistakes: 1. CVs are the least played class by far 3. The top lists on stat sites are populated largely by the same players for CVs at T7+, while for other classes they seem to be more random Hint: A unicum that plays well in a T10 CV has at some point also played then T9 or the T8 of the same line. Hint2: Smaller population = less variance Since when has the unability to play ever stopped the potatoes to advance into the higher tiers?! That the number of players utterly plummets the higher the tier, is also a phenomen only applicable to CVs. Wow, your whole reasoning behind "server stats dont count, muh inflated" is one big joke. The "fair to assume" part is the best, for you it seems fair to assume some nonsense that fits your opinion because otherwise you have to admit that stats disprove it. Just let me craft a theory that matches yours in quality: Since CVs are punished by WG with a pretty shítty economy every sane person reduced his amount of CV matches, while the potatoes that never played more than 200 CV matches before free XP´ing for 80€ to the Hakuryu doesnt care about because he can finally "pwn" the enemies with his awesome 80k DPG/43% WR. Just like he and his wallte ruined the Atago server stats so WG buffed it, despite it being a nearly copy of the Mogami. If he ever runs out of credits he will simply convert another 50€ of dubloons into credits. So yeah, while certainly no safe conclusion it is actually fair to assume that at least at high tiers the stats are being deflated by paying potatoes.

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20170121/eu_2month/average_ship.html Given the fact that the average player is at best a potatoe and the fact that he averages 112k DPG in the Hakuryu, you could conclude even 1 working brain cell is enough to easily do more than 100k dmg in a Haku. But you seem to be some kind of SJW, everytime someone uses logic or facts that dont match your opinion you start to scream, even going so far too attack the poster instead of the opinion.

Well, there is the whole issue of CVs being a extreme shitty and boring RTS inside a action shooter thing and on top of being a shitty RTS the game can´t even handle your orders because the UI is cancer. Then there is the thing with T9/10 CVs being stupidly easy to play, I mean everyone with 2 working brain cells can easily do 100k dmg with a Hakuryu.

How can the NC have the same MV when the Iowa/Montana have guns with longer barrels? 406mm/45 Mk6 =/= 406mm/50 Mk7 Alternatively you could just look at the penetration charts from fnord_disc, in the top line there is shell weight, drag constant and most important MV, also look at the time stamp of the post. I have the feeling OP is just trolling us, he could have easily asked his clan mates, instead he keeps a nonsense thread alive for several days.

Sigma defines then distribution within the dispersion values. In other words, higher sigma means more shells will land within the inner 33% of the dispersion circle, but if your dispersion is far worse, then sigma doesnt mean much, since the circle is bigger. This is why the Amagi can easily compete with the NC although she only features a 1.8 sigma value, the Iowa is also able to compete with the NC thanks to the -11% dispersion module. TLDR: Sigma values alone dont mean anything, you have to combine it with the dispersion values.

Khabarovsk super popular, what did I miss? From all T10 ships ony the Z-52 and both CVs are less played than the Khaba.

WR wise the Z-52 is atm the 2nd best DD, but yeah, this is most likely due to the new ship effect. It simply isn´t a great ship IMO. I planned on grinding them ASAP after release, but I couldnt be bothered afer the last minute nerfs before they got implemented. My next T10 DD will be most likely the Gorozovoi.

?? I just said that the Gearing is fine atm, buffs only come in question if somewhere in the future WG gets rid of stealth firing, only the Shima needs attention right now. Although the Z-52 could also need some love, the hydro is just too situational to make up for all the other shortcomings.

Yep, although Khaba got nerfed it is still is the best T10 DD server stats wise. It profits heavily from the Shima being the weakest but also the most played T10 DD. In the last 2 month on the EU server the Khaba was 40k times played while there have been 233k Shima games. The Gearing looks pretty fine IMO, although WG probably has to buff it in the future if they really want to remove stealth firing.

So because the Minotaur´s AA outranges it´s detection by air high tier AA in general suddenly becomes OP and CVs weak?! Looks more like a detection problem to me, one could suggest that the detection penalty for shooting the AA guns could be increased for the Minotaur or you could ofc just cry and call all AA OP. You dont seem to understand it. Once again, there is a difference between showing broadside to not get deleted and the playing as a team to not get deleted. The game is designed for all classes to "enhance" each other i.e. DDs screening and delivering targets for the cruisers and BBs, but you dont rely on your teammates to not get deleted by a single enemy ship at his will. Damn, that totally does not apply to other ship classes. DDs dont farm torpedo hits on baBBies, and a Gearing player doesnt get rekt by a higher skilled Gearing player when contesting caps. Are CVs getting fúcked extra rough when low tier? Yes. Are CVs facerolling when top tier? Yes. CVs performance fluctuates far more than any class, but his is due to AA being a pure numbers game without skill factor. Still when looking at the server stats CVs perform best, maybe because even when low tier you have also other low tier targets and in every other MM scenario CVs are strong or just a stupid faceroll machine. For the record: AA is not a fun mechanic, UI is buggy as hell, certain CVs have loadout problems but this this is separate from balance. CVs as best performing class certainly dont need buffs in form of a general AA nerf. It is the fairy tale of CV server stats being inflated by higher skilled playerbase again, jeez. Do you have any anything to back that up other than your subjective impressions? No? Too bad. There are just as many [relative, not absolute] potatoes playing CVs as there are potatoes throwing games in DDs. Just today I had 2 wonderful examples again, Hak potatoe with 29% WR and 32k DPG and a Essex potatoe with 42% WR and 21k DPG. Ofc both matches the team with the CV potatoe lost because you cant compensate a shitty CV against a decent CV unlike all other classes. About presenting stats, what exactly do you want me to show you? We know that WR and XP are not in question. Most of the time I have just picked dmg because I couldnt be arsed to also copy all the other stuff. Kills? CVs lead. Survivability? CVs lead. Spotting dmg? CVs lead.

Would be interesting to know how much better ballistics the Gorozovoi´s guns feature, 950m/s MV instead of the 900 on the B-2-U turrets of the Udaloi/Khaba.